Why do you believe in god?

Ender · Sep 22, 2002

Our World Now.

Somebody stopped listening to the teacher (God). This act thru everything out of harmony. That is where time was created. Because it is impossible to throw things out of order infinitely. That's why the Bible says no matter what, EVERYTHING works according to God's plan. That's why time here on Earth will not last forever. That's why to some it seems that Humans don't fit into the ORDER of things and this is what is meant by the phrase "full circle". The world we live in is nothing but war. Between what is suppossed to be and what isn't. Hell is nothing, it is to cease to exist that is what Jesus means by the second death. Innocence is perfection. That's why "children" go to Heaven. Everyone who chooses to remain here on earth chooses war. We are all born warriors. Be it for God or be it for Satan. Life is a process of choosing your side. When we all decide where we stand and that decision is unchangeable. Then the world ends and things are restored to how they should be.

"You live by the dirt, you die by the shovel/ You can repent and go with God or you can go with devil" -E-40

"Trainin sucks!" -Young Face

"One day I'll be a viscious assassin!"-Face

"God says somebody's in some real trouble."-Ender

Gordon Gekko · Sep 22, 2002

LIKE I DAMN SAID...if yall are so much of CHRISTIANS and into God so much then why in the hell do yall do so much dirt? Christians break more rules than anybody. Everybody thats in jail and on the streets doing crimes always claim to be christian and into God so much. While they're doing their dirt, they be quick to judge another man for being atheist or something like that. Christians are a bunch of hypocrites if you ask me. Its too many questions in their religion. When someone else does something wrong, a christian will be the first to judge. I remember when I was in church, they was in there talking about, "if you believe in God, you wouldnt listen to any other kind of music but gospel and you wouldnt watch any other TV programs but christian programs." That pissed me off, then they went on the attack of rappers. Tell me why yall christians are so damn hypocritical?

HERESY · Sep 22, 2002

@206

rational by whos definition? yours? here is your question.

ESCHATOLOGY. study that word and its meaning.

who is society? society in america? society on the entire earth? 206 YOU have done those things to ME. YOU HAVE ACCUSED ME OF THINGS I DIDNT DO,ACCUSED ME OF ATTCKING PLAYA RY (WHEN IT WAS SHOWN THAT I DIDNT),CURSED,SLANDERED, MADE INSANE ATTEMPTS AT RIDICULE AND DID MANY THINGS THAT WERE NOT RATIONAL FOR SOMEONE WHO WAS/IS PARTAKING IN A DEBATE OR FORMAL DISCUSSION.

SO ATHIEST ARE BEING LOOKED DOWN ON? THEY ARE BEING INSULTED? PEOPLE FEAR THEM?

LETS TALK ABOUT CHINA AND ALL THE CHRISTIANS THAT ARE BEING LOOKED DOWN ON. LETS TALK ABOUT HOW THEY *MUST* HAVE CHURCH IN SECRET OR BE KILLED.

LETS TALK ABOUT THE AFRICAN JEWS IN AFRICA WHO ARE BEING SLAUGHTERED BY CORPORATIONS. LETS TALK ABOUT HOW THEY CANT FOLLOW TORRAH IN PEACE.

LETS TURN OUR ATTENTIONS TO PERU. LETS LOOK AT THE CHRISTIANS WHO ARE BEING PERSECUTED FOR MISSIONARIES.

DO YOU SEE ANYONE RUNNING OUT KILLING ATHIEST??????

IN REGARDS TO THAT STATEMENT I WILL REPOST MY REPLY TO THE PERSON THAT WAS LOOKING FOR SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE.

NOW TURN TO ARCHAEOLOGY TO SUPPORT BIBLICAL CLAIMS.

SO LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION.

IF YOU HAVE NOT STUDIED ESCHATOLOGY,LOOKED FOR HISTORIC PROOF IN REGARDS TO THE BIBLE(OR ACTS OF GOD) OR RESEARCHED ARCHAEOLOGY (THAT DEALS WITH BIBLICAL CITIES AND EVENTS) HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT SOMEONES ANSWER IS OR ISNT RATIONAL? YOU HAVENT CONSIDERED ALL THE "POSSIBLE" EVIDENCE.

@MISTA SINISTA. WHY ARE CHRISTIANS HYPOCRITES? FIRST OFF WHAT OR WHO IS A CHRISTIAN? IM NOT A CHRISTIAN. SECOND OF ALL IF THEY ATTACK RAPPERS MAYBE THEY SHOULD. WHAT ABOUT THE RAPPERS WHO GET UP AND SAY "I WOULD LIKE TO THANK GOD"........THEY JUST ACCEPTED AN AWARD FOR BEST VIDEO AND THE VIDEO CONTAINED EVERYTHING THAT GOD CALLS AN ABOMINATION.

MISTA I SUGGEST THAT YOU PICK UP A BIBLE AND READ FOR YOURSELF. YOU WILL SEE WHAT JESUS SAID ABOUT "CHURCH FOLKS" AND "RELIGIOUS" PEOPLE. HOW THEY GET RICH FROM THE WIDOWS,HAVE CLEAN CUPS ON THE OUTSIDE BUT DIRTY ONES INSIDE AND HOW THEY SAY LORD LORD BUT WONT ENTER INTO HEAVEN.

YOU WILL SIN. YOU WILL FALL. HOWEVER YOU MUST NOT STAY IN SIN.

EVERYONE DOES DIRT (INCLUDING ME). DOES THAT MEAN THAT I AM BETTER THAN YOU? OF COURSE NOT.

HERE ARE SOME STATEMENTS THAT YOU MADE THAT CANNOT BE PROVEN WITH STATISTICS OR RESEARCH.

IS THIS A FACT? CAN IT BE PROVEN IN A CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENT? DO STATISTICS SHOW THAT CHRISTIANS BREAK MORE RULES THAN ANYONE?

CAN THIS BE PROVEN WITH NUMBERS AND STATISTICS? SO WE DONT HAVE SATAN WORSHIPPERS IN JAIL (RICHARD REMIREZ)????? IF EVERYONE WHO IS DOING DIRT CLAIM TO BE A CHRISTIAN WHY IS AMERICA HOLDING JOHN WALKER LINDH (AMERICAN TALIBAN)??????

PLEASE ELABORATE ON YOUR STATEMENS.

THANKYOU

HERESY

PS IM NOT A CHRISTIAN AND MY NAME IS NOT HERSHEY

ToNgAn_SaV · Sep 22, 2002

y don't ya'll go argue with a catholic priest and if ya'll win that arguement move on to a lutheran church if u canwin that move on to another church until u can prove it all wrong...

Ghostly · Sep 22, 2002

this all pretty much soounds like bullshit, open ur eyes religion is for suckers that dont know how to take control of they own lifes, and u actual think that god is gonna throw u in hell for not believin in him, if any thing its his own fault cuz he gave us these minds that we can expand and think otherwize, thats why none of this stuff adds up to me,why would he give us a brain knowing that it would get smarter only to question hes existence. i think theres only 1 place that we all go to at tha end no matter what we do

questions of life dam what a hassle.

2-0-Sixx · Sep 22, 2002

@Heresy,

I know what the word means, I have studied the meaning. Its not a rational reason to believe in god!!! Is that why you believe? I will say it again, 30+ Replies, and NOT one rational answer.

Not by my definition, look up the word, study the word and its meaning.

Society in America. And if you don’t see it then you are blind.
Take communism for instance. Why has America been anti-communist for 50+years? Why has amerika invested so much time and effort in making certain that communist states are shut down? I believe, and many others believe it’s because of the foundation of communism. The true marxist/lenin states are Atheist societies. Amerika fears the godless countries. So they did everything in their power to stop these states, and that involved KILLING.

Heresy, you will never let that go will you? Yes, I have insulted you before and I have apologized for that in the past. Was I acting rational? No, I wasn’t. But you act so innocent. You also have been the insulter and don’t lie and say you haven’t because I have seen you. Your finger pointing and calling me the Irrational one is ridicules; you’re missing the point of this thread.

Like I said, this thread is directed at FoeTwin, if you want to join the debate then fine, but don’t get all emotional or whatever. If you want to join, then ANSWER THE QUESTION. If your answer is ESCHATOLOGY, then I can honestly say you are acting irrational.

HERESY · Sep 22, 2002

^^^^^ for something to be written about 400 plus years before it happens and later on it happens that is something that should be considered. its obvious that you DONT know about the subject (eschatology) if you did you would have never made the statement.

what about HISTORIC and ARCHAEOLOGICAL PROOF that confirms events and places in the bible? if it endorses and confirms something is supposedly written/inspired by a GOD or GOD is that enough proof?

what is the possibility of someone saying that a certain temple would be destroyed in 400 years by a certain group of people and that prediction coming to past at the EXACT date that the person said it was? ONCE AGAIN. YOU DONT KNOW ABOUT THE SUBJECT. YOU MIGHT HAVE LOOKED ON THE NET OR LOOKED THE WORD UP BUT YOU ***DONT*** KNOW THE SUBJECT. PROOF OF THAT IS IN WHAT YOU TYPE.

THE SOCIETY OF AMERICA ACTUALLY IS *AGAINST* GOD AND WHAT HE STANDS FOR. IF AMERICAN SOCIETY WAS ACTUALLY FOR GOD YOU WOULD NOT HAVE AN 8 BILLION DOLLAR PORN INDUSTRY. YOU WOULD NOT HAVE PRESIDENTS BRINGING IN DRUGS. YOU WOULD NOT HAVE OCCULTIC SYMBOLS IN YOUR EYE SIGHTS EVERYDAY.

AMERICA INVESTED INTO MAKING SURE COMMUNIST STATES LIKE RUSSIA ARE SHUT DOWN? WHY WAS OVER 30 MILLION PUMPED INTO THE GORBECHOV FOUNDATION? THATS JUST A DROP IN THE BUCKET. AMERICA ENDORSES COMMUNISM. ONCE YOU REALIZE THAT AMERICA IS *NOT* A DEMOCRACY NOR IS IT A SOVERIEGN STATE YOU WILL BE BETTER OFF. AMERICA FEARS THE GODLESS COUNTRIES? WHICH COUNTRIES ARE THESE (LOL). PLEASE STUDY THE LINK BETWEEN CZARS AND THE JESUIT ORDER.

IN WHAT COUNTRIES DO WE SEE ATHIEST BEING ROUND UP AND KILLED BECAUSE THEY DONT HAVE A RELIGION OR DONT BELIEVE IN A SUPREME POWER/BEING???????

I DONT INSULT ANYONE. SIMPLY CUT AND PASTE WHAT A PERSON TYPES. I LAUGH AT THEM BECAUSE THEY DESERVED TO BE LAUGHED AT. AS FAR AS NAME CALLING AND STUFF LIKE THAT???? IF YUO ARE CALLED AN IDIOT ITS BECAUSE YOU ARE SHOWING TRAITS AND CHARACTERISTICS THAT AN IDIOT WOULD. SO BASICALLY I CALL IT HOW I SEE IT. ITS NOT DONE OUT OF HATE,ANGER,MALICE OR SPITE.

HOW DO YOU KNOW I AM GETTING EMOTIONAL?

1.ARE YOU HERE WITH ME?

2.DO YOU KNOW ME? DO YOU KNOW WHAT MAKES ME GET EMOTIONAL AND WHAT DOESNT?

3.WHO ARE YOU TO SET THE THRESHOLD ON WHEN SOMEONE IS EMOTIONAL OR WHEN THEY ARE NOT?

LIKE I SAID **ESCHATOLOGY**. STUDY IT AND APPLY IT TO WHAT HAS BEEN SAID AND WHAT CAME TO PAST. NOT TO MENTION WHAT IS GOING ON *NOW*.

LOOK AT *HISTORIC* RECORDS AND PLACES.

LOOK AT **ARCHAEOLOGY**.

IRRATIONAL WOULD BE SPEAKING ON SOMETHING YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT..........HINT HINT...........

:H:

HERESY · Sep 22, 2002

JUST CURIOUS........ON THIS ENTIRE BOARD........HOW MANY CHRISTIANS OR BELIEVERS IN GOD OR A HIGHER POWER ARE MAKING THREADS DIRECTED AT ATHIEST OR THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION?

NOW COMPARE THOSE NUMBERS TO THE NUMBER OF THREADS THAT EVOLUTIONIST AND ATHIEST MAKE DIRECTED AT CREATIONALIST AND CHRISTIANS.

THINK ABOUT THAT WHEN YOU ARE CONSTANTLY MAKING THE ASSUMPTION THAT SOMEONE IS NAME CALLING YOU,PLACING YOU IN A POSITION OF FOLLY AND RIDICULE (ALTHOUGH YOU DESERVE IT) AND THAT PEOPLE ARE ATHIEST BASHING.

HERESY

2-0-Sixx · Sep 22, 2002

^^^^Fisrt off this thread was made because of FoeTwin, he wanted to debate.

Secondly, I didnt say you were getting emotional. I was going back to what I said in the thread starter.(go back and read it)

What is your point about eschatology? I know what the word means, and yet you say that I dont. Whats so great about eschatology? It doesnt prove anything.

What proof do you speak of? Yes Im sure there are thousands of events or archaeological facts that were written in the bible, but that does not mean that god exists! Tell me something that us Atheist dont already know! Who cares if some shit in the bible was true? What about the thousands of things that are false?

Thats some straight up bullshit. I dont believe in some fake ass prophet that may or may not have predicted the destruction of a temple. There is no proof to that.

I disagree with this statement 100%. How can you say society of amerikkka is against god when at least 80% of the population is Theist? So what about the porn industry. Times change just as religion changes. All of the decisions made by amerika are because of MONEY & RELIGION.

America endorses communism? Are you serious? Name ONE communist country that we endorsed? And please dont say USSR, amerika did their best to make sure they collapsed.

You say Im acting irrational. Well I disagree and in fact, I believe it is you that is acting irrational. Yes, thats right Heresy. It is you that is acting irrational for believing nonsense that has been injected in this society for hundreds of years. It is you that believes in these lies, not me. It is clear to me that you have taken your religious beliefs and mixed them all up with your conspiracy beliefs and now your brain just spits out these Ludicrous theories of society and the future.

You can take that any way you want to but Im just calling it as I see it.

THA_206 · Sep 22, 2002

This reminds me of CNN early morning where the debate goes for hours.. nothing changes and people get off by cutting the other debater off and running with the conversation..

ToNgAn_SaV · Sep 22, 2002

THA_206 said:

This reminds me of CNN early morning where the debate goes for hours.. nothing changes and people get off by cutting the other debater off and running with the conversation..

hahahaha

FastLane/S::G · Sep 22, 2002

society looks down on atheists?

i never noticed

last time i heard a priest bash an athiest was 2 or 3 years ago

FastLane/S::G · Sep 22, 2002

Ghostly said:

lets put it this way

if it wasn't for religion, the people who were considered 'religious' in the first place would be out for self and the world would be a MUCH MORE FUCCED UP PLACE. be HAPPY that religion does exist, even if you choose not to take part in it.

Furio · Sep 22, 2002

i didnt read the whole thread so my question might have been answered. why was the bible written 2000 years ago and no one heard from god ever since?? today if a guy said "i have a vision from god! come with me to salvation" then he would be killed or put in the looney bin. god hasnt "talked to any1 in thousands of years!! when is he comin back?? and remember when noah built the ark? he built it cuz god was gonna kill all the evil in the world, why did he chose then?? i bet the world is a million times more fucked up now then it was back then?? and adam and eve?? so the way that goes then my girlfriend is in a way my sister?? im not from alabama!! j/k i do believe in god and jesus but i have so many unanswered questions!! i just wish that i would know the truth of our being, and why god or jesus hasnt come back! and why does the "all powerful" God let us sin?? and if he is the ONLY god and we should only belive in him then why doesnt he tell us at birth?? why arent we born with the knowledge of god?? we have to learn it from some1 who learned it from some1 else. its just chaotic!! Jesus just needs to come back before i go crazy! there are so many crazy things i feel like doin, like killin my enemies, but the thought of me goin to hell stops me. and how in the fuck can u burn for eternity?? come on now!! thats just fucked up!! and another thing about me killin my enemies, why did god let me have enemies?? i know he could have stopped it!! its just another unanswered question!

ToNgAn_SaV · Sep 22, 2002

Furio said:

he let's us sin because this life is a test. he is testing our love for him. will u pass the test and go back to him or will u fail and suffer the consequinces(SP).

Furio said:

if u knew god exist and u knew what was at stake i don't think anyone would dare to sin.

Furio said:

burn for eternity? i don't know about that one... some churches may say that and u may hear people say it on tv... different religions different views. some churches don't believe u'll "burn in hell" i won't speak on it tho'.

Furio said:

if no one had enemies then the prediction of wars in the last days would never happen. if no one had enemies then i can just walk into someone's house and shoot 'em and no one would get mad right? no one would wanna come at me and kill me right? even if they are ur enemies... still pray for them.

ToNgAn_SaV · Sep 22, 2002

2-0-Sixx said:

thousands right? can u start from number 1?

2-0-Sixx · Sep 22, 2002

^can you tell me the things that are true?

JazzFan · Sep 23, 2002

Mista Sinista said:

Everyone breaks every commandment sometime or another. Just because you are a christian doesnt make you perfect.

Roxy · Sep 23, 2002

U guys just don't get it. The existance of GOD can not proven or disproven w/ science. It is a matter of Faith, if U don't get that then all of your debate is useless. Good luck.

Dosia · Sep 23, 2002

why in the world would you have to disprove something that was never proven in the first place. and it is not very hard to disprove something that there is no proof of.

Why do you believe in god?

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