who will win at ufc 91 Randy Couture vs Brock Lesnar?

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who will win at UFC 91 Randy Couture vs Brock Lesnar?

  • Randy Couture by TKO or KO

    Votes: 10 18.2%

  • Randy Couture by Submission

    Votes: 12 21.8%

  • Randy Couture by Decision

    Votes: 13 23.6%

  • Brock Lesnar by TKO or KO

    Votes: 20 36.4%

  • Brock Lesnar by by Submission

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Brock Lesnar by Decision

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    55
  • Poll closed .
MOREBASS

MOREBASS

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MrPeete said:
That's my point though ...

Ultimately, it's a fight (no pun). Someone explain to me how being a decorated wrestler makes you any more MMA ready than being a "street" brawler. They both took one particular thing that they were good at and made an attempt at making an MMA career out of it.

It was just interesting to me that somehow Brock Lesnar's MMA credentials were never called into question. Maybe there's some behind the scenes shit that we don't know about it.
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Obviously the experience in an organized competitive sport is going to make you much more MMA ready than someone used to fighting in backyards and empty shipyards. Especially when you are as dominant in your respective sport as Brock was.

Colleigiate wrestling isn't MMA, I know, but wrestling can be utilized in MMA and that's been proven over the years. Street brawling on the other hand, is hardly useful in the sport.
 
MrPeete

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MOREBASS said:
Colleigiate wrestling isn't MMA, I know, but wrestling can be utilized in MMA and that's been proven over the years. Street brawling on the other hand, is hardly useful in the sport.
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Not buying it :classic:

So if I'm a wrestler, what do you call it when I'm on my feet throwing punches?
 
MrPeete

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Shogun Locc said:
The wrestler can deside if he wants to keep the fight standing or take it to the ground that is why wrestling is important in mma.
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Is that why Lesnar's credentials didn't take the hit that Kimbo's did?

They're both cartoon characters of a similar storyline if you ask me...
 
W0RM_Da_C0N

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MOREBASS said:
Obviously the experience in an organized competitive sport is going to make you much more MMA ready than someone used to fighting in backyards and empty shipyards. Especially when you are as dominant in your respective sport as Brock was.

Colleigiate wrestling isn't MMA, I know, but wrestling can be utilized in MMA and that's been proven over the years. Street brawling on the other hand, is hardly useful in the sport.
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what this man said
 
MOREBASS

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MrPeete said:
Not buying it :classic:

So if I'm a wrestler, what do you call it when I'm on my feet throwing punches?
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It would be standup fighting. But more than likely, someone with a heavy background in wrestling is going to do everything they can to get the fight on the ground, where they are proven and have the skills to win the fight.

Lesnar's credentials didn't take the hit that Kimbo's did because Brock knocked out the greatest heavyweight champion in UFC history.

Kimbo's credentials took a hit because he was KO'd by a journeyman B-level fighter who gave up 40 pounds in the fight.
 
MrPeete

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Don't get me wrong, I completely understand what's being said with regards to what skills are pertinent to potential MMA success. I'm just curious as to what made Lesnar a lot more bulletproof than Kimbo when it came to the criticisms.
 
MrPeete

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MOREBASS said:
Lesnar's credentials didn't take the hit that Kimbo's did because Brock knocked out the greatest heavyweight champion in UFC history.
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What about Lesnar's loss to Mir? Why didn't the MMA world call him a joke and wish him out of the sport because of his lack of MMA experience (to the extent they were doing Kimbo).

MOREBASS said:
Kimbo's credentials took a hit because he was KO'd by a journeyman B-level fighter who gave up 40 pounds in the fight
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Like I said before, mufuckas was on Kimbos line about being a joke when they first heard he was going the MMA route
 
Arson

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MrPeete said:
What about Lesnar's loss to Mir? Why didn't the MMA world call him a joke and wish him out of the sport because of his lack of MMA experience (to the extent they were doing Kimbo).



Like I said before, mufuckas was on Kimbos line about being a joke when they first heard he was going the MMA route
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yeah but college wrestling is a basis for a large percent of MMA fighters, knocking obese bouncers at in backyards isnt.
 
MOREBASS

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MrPeete said:
What about Lesnar's loss to Mir? Why didn't the MMA world call him a joke and wish him out of the sport because of his lack of MMA experience (to the extent they were doing Kimbo).
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Actually, from what I read, they did...obviously not to the extent of scrutiny that Kimbo had, but I know people were waiting for that moment to happen, and it did.

MrPeete said:
Like I said before, mufuckas was on Kimbos line about being a joke when they first heard he was going the MMA route
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Same with Brock though, and Kurt Angle who was a gold medal winning world class athelete.


I think it all boils down to these hardcore MMA purists wanting to believe that the fighters in their sport are the god's gift to combat sports. Which is why they pray on the downfall of outsiders, especially for someone like Kimbo, who is tagged as this big bad ass unbeatable brawler. People just wanted to see the mythical Kimbo Slice persona get pummeled, to show the world how great these MMA fighters really are at what they do.

For Brock, I don't think it was as bad because he was a pro wrestler, and everyone knows thats not real fighting.
 
MrPeete

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MOREBASS said:
For Brock, I don't think it was as bad because he was a pro wrestler, and everyone knows thats not real fighting.
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I sort of figured the scrutiny would have been A LOT worse because of that (if we're talking about the WWE stuff). But I guess the "legitimate" wrestling background cancels that out.
 
Robby2Slobby

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Brock doesn't get it as bad as Kimbo because Brock would be the shit out of Kimbo in five seconds. Brock would take Kimbo in any aspect of the sport. Standing, Brock would knock him out. On the ground, Brock would submit him or just ground the pound the shit out of him.

He's not really one dimensional anymore either. He's developing pretty good striking skills. And anyways, you see a lot of one dimensional wrestlers in MMA.. Look at people like Koshchek. However, they don't have the size advantage that Brock has over the rest of the division, since they fight at the same weight.
 
MrPeete

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Robby2Slobby said:
Brock doesn't get it as bad as Kimbo because Brock would be the shit out of Kimbo in five seconds. Brock would take Kimbo in any aspect of the sport. Standing, Brock would knock him out. On the ground, Brock would submit him or just ground the pound the shit out of him.
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lol what does that have to do with anything?

It's so easy to say shit like that. It's a fight, anything can happen to anybody. You missed the point I was making though
 
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