n9newunsixx5150 said:
"logically explain the term and what that means for god. Also provide me with where this source of information comes from."
"God" refers to an eternal existence. So what you are essentially asking is how we know God exists, which should have been your question in the first place.
The question was in my original post and is directly related to the other questions.
There are many sources describing this eternal God, i.e.: Bible, Koran, Vedas, etc. The whole concept of God is that of an eternally transcendental being from whom emanates this material existence. Try to understand it like the sunshine which emanates from the sun globe, rather than thinking of it in terms of God existing alone and then creating universe. The energy that makes up this universe is eternal, but it is not eternally manifest, according to the Bible and the Vedas, and probably the Koran as well.
So once again, this “eternal god” is unknowable to the human mind. Then how can man have knowledge of this unknowable being? How can one come to the conclusion that an unknowable god exists? Logically, that doesn’t make any sense.
Additionally, this source of the unknowable god comes from books written by man. The “proof” of god lies with logical fallacies and pseudoscience located in these books.
The bible, Torah, Koran, Vedas etc. are nothing more then special cases of hearsay written down. All of these books have already been shown to be inaccurate scientifically and historically. They are painfully inconsistent and egregiously self contradictory.
So far, through our entire existence, not one shred of empirical evidence has been shown that supports the existence of god or any other supernatural being or event for that matter.
Everyone is seeking "God", even the atheists. It is just that the atheists will not accept consciousness as anything other than a product of material arrangement, i.e.: neural pathways. And so they will not accept a Supreme Consciousness. To them all things boil down to a tangible process. That is a very convenient belief for them.
No, we simply do not have enough evidence to believe in your god. Provide us with evidence and we will believe. Until then, we will remain atheists.
Jae iLL said:
but we know that a midget flying is physically impossible so that's not a rational belief. A superior entity is not necesarilly physically impossible,
But we have absolutely zero evidence to support the idea of a superior entity; therefore it is illogical to believe in one.
I think the flying midget rebuttle is a bit far-fetched.
Perhaps far-fetched but I think it gets my point across.
True, it would be illogical to believe there is a "fire breathing Mr. T head" in your room based solely on your word. However, we could come to a conclusion that you are delusional and you really did "see" a fire breathing Mr. T head in your room. I'm not saying that people who believe in a supreme entity are delusional (Christians I'm not so sure) but there is reason to explore the possibility of a supreme entity further.
I never said there is no reason to explore the possibility of a supreme entity further. That’s fine by me, my point, once again is if it is logical to believe in one at this time of our existence without any supporting evidence.
Also, we could easily disprove your claim simply by opening your door and checking. Since a supreme entity is one that exists beyond our senses there is no easy way to prove or disprove this claim.
Yes, but logically we can argue that there is no reason to believe in a supreme being by the same methods we can logically explain why Zues and other Greek gods are implausible.
I'm merely playing devil's advocate here because although there is no evidence to disprove a God, there is also no evidence to rule out God.
Again, I’m not saying we can rule out god, simply stating that there is a lack of evidence to support the claim of a god or gods.
in my original response I stated perhaps the two exist coincidingly. I was raised by a Christian Korean mother with very Shamanist views. I don't conceive "God" in the same way Christians portray God. The supreme entity to me exists within all of us and without all of us. I defnitely do not believe in divine intervention or an omnipotent all-powerful God; however, I do feel that there is a greater being at work in the universe. Not to say it controls the universe, but it IS the universe. I don't believe in an after-life either. What I am trying to say is you are attacking the belief that a God exists from the orthodox point of view; however, your arguments do little damage to the actual belief in God.
This is true; most of my arguments are against the orthodox “Christian” definition of god. You’re belief is a bit different (and one I respect) in many ways. When people say “I believe god is everything”, there is no logical way to argue this claim. However, when you say that god is the creator, then that’s when my argument arises.
Basically, it comes down to:
A) The universe always has existed in one form or another.
or
B) The universe was created by a god.
Now, we KNOW that this universe exists.
We DON'T know that a god exists.
Therefore, it is illogical to believe a god created the universe.
Merciedez said:
why don't you all just kill yourselves and find out already to find out. Its a waste of time to constantly fight whether something is there or not.
Followers of beliefs,
Has it ever occured to you whatever "being or thing" is supposed to "be" "here" didn't wanted anyone to argue or kill each other?
what happen to living peacefully with each other. i'm sick of these conversation - GOD, Evalution, life
Relax Merciedez. This is the Gathering of Minds. People here enjoy discussing mind stimulating topics such as god, evolution, science, politics etc. If you’re sick of these kinds of topics, simply do not participate in them.
So far, this thread has gone quite smoothly, IMO; there have not been any blatant insults or personal attacks.
