What Makes BAY AREA Artists Want Deals?

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SMMWest

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radiostationrep said:
if you dont want to put your contact info here p.m. so i can add to my list. these things take time and i have no problem putting money in someones pocket that does what they say there gonna do.im not ready for you yet though. who have you done things for on this board?
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so a major record deal is only worth it if U end up being really famous..otherwise u loose more money and make less than if u just did it independent? I guess its a big gamble
 
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BayBoss420 said:
so a major record deal is only worth it if U end up being really famous..otherwise u loose more money and make less than if u just did it independent? I guess its a big gamble
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Basically, because with the Fame (I mean being a huge star. Household Worldwide famous) comes the Endorsements and the Clothing Deals and the Worldwide Stadium Tours.

The perfect example of the right way to be in this business is Tech N9ne and Stange Music. Tech, after his Major/Independent Distributor filing bankruptcy on him during Anghellic figured out the correct way to become self contained and never looked back. I applaud him.
 
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Another reason for the lack of CD sales in the bay has to do with us falling behind in digitally. We were the pioneers of the independent game, the game changed, and we didn't. That business model has been outdated and we didn't try to change our strategy. We should have been the 1st with hi-tech websites, taking advantage of itunes, etc. We went from being the most innovative to the furthermost behind.
 
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MALKI said:
^how we gon do that though lol


on another note im going to check out your store brah brah looks like a coo store
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Via research. Hard work. These artists are on the computer all day so they should use that time wisely. When I found out how well my back catalog was doing in Japan, Germany and England I found stores in those Countries and connected with each of them asking them if they were one of the stores carrying my music. I would make notes of the ones that were for future reference incase I am ever overseas. I also would ask them if they have connections with Club Dj's that come into their store or Club Promoters. The ones that would say yes, I would ask them to pass on my e-mail address to the Dj's or Promoters that they knew. As each Dj or Promoter would e-mail me (you would be surprised at how many do) I would ask them for their mailing address and hit them with a package.

Bay Area artists can do this same exact thing. If their music is selling overseas they can book shows. These Club Promoters are more open and willing to pay artists (even smaller artists) for show and willing to pay travel expenses. Mystik Journeymen and Hobo Junction have been doing this for over 10-Years.


As far as the Urban Life Store, the store isn't mine. It is the Record Store branch of rapbay.com/Urban Life Distribution. I am pretty close with the owners minus Kerry Huffman. Check it out though. You will be glad you did. Ricky (the owner) is a cool cat.
 
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If I have the time early next year I might write a book and the book will have all my Connections overseas as well as in the United States. From Radio Stations, to Record Pools, to Digital Distributors that most artists don't know about, to Record Stores, to Clubs, to Street Teams. You name it and it would be included in the book.

I just have to find the time. I just got my own Magazine, I own 2 Record Companies (an Urban Label for 16-years and I for 1 year have had a Metal Label), I own a Radio Promotions Company, I own a Street Promotions Company and I own a American Pit Bull Terrier Kennel that breeds some of the Top American Pit Bulls in the Nation.
 
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There is nothing wrong with signing a major deal as long as you understand that the major is a investor and is the one who will be taking the ultimate sacrafice by risking there money and time trying to turn you into a household name. All those people working your record at radio,magazines,and tv, the legal dept,the clearance dept,the promotion dept, the person who books your flight,ground transportation, and hotels, the most inportant people the sales staff selling your records making these chain stores and 1 stops believe they better come big on there 1 week orders, and everybody else at the label besides the interns need to get paid as well. Its pure business tell me any company that makes less then the employee? A major taking some of your publishing is no diffrent then if you signed a publishing deal because there going to take a % of your money as well why cuz like the record company you took there advancement and you now work for them too. Now days majors on newer talent are not spending alot of money on these projects and want you to sign a 360 deal. I agree with the 360 deal only for new artist not for artist who are resigning there deal or leaving a label and going elsewhere. For the simple reason that the artist and former label or curent label there resigning to already paid alot of money to brand his/her/there name and image. A 360 deal is where the major gets a % of everything from concerts,guest apperances,publishing,merchandise, and everything else you make money from using your music image.

So the biggest pro to signing a major is you may be the next big star and I am not talking about a 2 hit wonder im talking 50 cent, busta,jay,outkast, and snoop.

Biggest con is you lose time and stress that you will not get back if you do not succeed.

Again remember these artist that sign becomes employees no matter what type of deal they have cuz once you take .01 cent from the label you are in debt and you need to find a way to pay it back. These labels sign you your not signing them unless there is a major bidding war think E-40 going to jive in 1993.

In the real world except for the lottery,lawsuits,inhertence and trust funds it takes alot of money to make alot of money. If you really want to operate and beat the majors you need a budget of atleast 150k nothing smaller to make a decent album and create a demand for it. There are some good albums made out here in the bay from a small budget but it stops there cuz there are no real funds to create a supply and demand. If you think 20k budget is going to make you some superstar money on your own then your crazy. Yes you can sell 6k units at city hall for $7 and gross 56k but remember thats not your actual net.Today there are only a few and I mean a number u can count on your hands who are selling over 10k units today in the bay. So with that said you could make more signing to a major by getting your advancement money then selling a poorly funded indi album with no mainstream hit cuz theres no publishing from it anyways. Plus the majors already spent the money marketing your name and you will now be better off now going independent.

Why do bay area artist all want deals?? Easy who really has that 150k to make a album to make you that superstar artist who you believe you are????
 
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SMMWEST I APPRECIATE YOUR INSIGHT ON THIS TOPIC AND IT'S PRETTY INFORMING..

I WAS FLIPPING THRU MURDER DOG TODAY AND I WAS GLAD I SAW ADS PROMOTING A FEW BAY ARTIST ALBUMS AND THEM AS WHOLE LIKE J-STALIN, KEAK, BEEDA WEEDA, C-BO[SAC], AND SHIT EVEN BERNER HAHA..

SHIIT I EVEN SAW A SIDE AD OF LIL PIGG PEN. IT SHOWS THEY DOING THEY THING IN HELPING THEIR BUZZ AND PROMOTING THEMSELVES..

IMO, THERE AINT NOTHING WRONG WITH WORKING A DAY JOB N SHYT AND USING THAT MONEY TO HELP PROMOTE YASELF.. YOU JUST GOTTA BE PATIENT N SHYT BOUT THINGS LIKE THAT.


I DO GOT A PERSONAL Q FOR YOU, WHEN U MENTIONED BOUT HOW INDIE ARTISTS SHOULD BOOK THEY OWN SHOWS N SHYT INTERNATIONALLY, HOW CAN THEY[ARTIST] SEE HOW THEIR MUSIC IS DOING OVERSEAS IN THE 1ST PLACE? NOT A LOT OF THEM GOT ACCESS AND HOOKS TO A LOT OF DJ'S N SHYT. U GOT CONTACTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT?
 
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I'm not from the bay but if i was lookin for a deal then i would want creative control and a writtin agreement on a release date for the album so its done my way with a guaranteed release date but this is the real world so fuck it
 
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I DETECT A LOT OF HATRED 4 THE GAME 'ROUND HERE....IF YOU ASK ME IT'S ALL ABOUT WHO YOU KNOW...MOST ARTISTS NOWDAYS DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT DEALS...THEY JUST WANT 2 GET PAID...BACC IN THE DAY A LABEL COULD PAY AN ARTIST WHAT HE WAS WORTH...THAT'S WHAT IT'S ABOUT...THE WORTH OF THE PRODUCT BEING SOLD & THE WORTH OF THE PEOPLE BEHIND IT...EVERYTHING SELLS IN MY STATE...FROM BOOTLEGS 2 RECORD STORES....NOWDAYS SALES IS A PROBLEM SO I WOULD SUGGEST PUT HALF YOUR PRODUCT IN STORES & JOOK THE REST IN THE STREETS..THAT WAY YOU CAN SEE SOME MONEY & IT DOESN'T HAVE 2 BE A CORPORATE CHECC.
 
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