what makes a conservative
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Have you ever studied political science tadou? Have you ever read history textbooks? When people describe initial political parties as left and right wing, there is no debate. Your continuous backpeddling and idea that I am making up the historical definition of left and right wing based on my interpretation of today is fucking absurd.
Left-wing: Change, Right-wing: Status Quo, Conservatism.
Right-Wing: emphasis on what are considered traditional societal values or "the current structure" as best for the people ( In America's case, the Constitution, the Bible, opposition to market and business regulation by gvt., opposition to campaign finance reform, etc )
Left-Wing: Emphasis on what is considered humanitarian or best for the people, endorsing radical change ( America: gay marriage, repeal of NAFTA, strict environmental controls, heavy taxation and restriction on big business, support for campaign finance reform, etc. )
Have you ever studied political science tadou? Have you ever read history textbooks? When people describe initial political parties as left and right wing, there is no debate. Your continuous backpeddling and idea that I am making up the historical definition of left and right wing based on my interpretation of today is fucking absurd.
Left-wing: Change, Right-wing: Status Quo, Conservatism.
Right-Wing: emphasis on what are considered traditional societal values or "the current structure" as best for the people ( In America's case, the Constitution, the Bible, opposition to market and business regulation by gvt., opposition to campaign finance reform, etc )
Left-Wing: Emphasis on what is considered humanitarian or best for the people, endorsing radical change ( America: gay marriage, repeal of NAFTA, strict environmental controls, heavy taxation and restriction on big business, support for campaign finance reform, etc. )
You know exactly what the fuck I meant. Damn tadou you need an award for trying to point out the most insignificant details in an argument"Have always existed" meaning "have been in the knowledge bank for quite some time".
If I stood up today and said "Hey, you're redefining Republican and Democrat", and you said "The definitions have always existed", it would be fucking ludicrous if I said "but...they have only existed since they were invented!".
Left-wing and Right-wing have been attributed to both the French and English parliament. Everyone, except you, a student of politics and history, seems to know this. As a matter of fact the simple facts I am forced to teach you often suprise me. Any politics or government teacher will give you the same definition of left and right wing that I gave.
If I stood up today and said "Hey, you're redefining Republican and Democrat", and you said "The definitions have always existed", it would be fucking ludicrous if I said "but...they have only existed since they were invented!".
Left-wing and Right-wing have been attributed to both the French and English parliament. Everyone, except you, a student of politics and history, seems to know this. As a matter of fact the simple facts I am forced to teach you often suprise me. Any politics or government teacher will give you the same definition of left and right wing that I gave.
^^ You don't "prove" word definitions, you fucking idiot, you add and elaborate on them, the same way MANZANA in Spanish is both a street and an apple.
Left-Wing and Right-Wing are different in places....in some countries, the Left Wing might support abortion, and in others the Right-Wing might oppose war. So if you were putting together a dictionary definition of Left Wing and Ring Wing, how would you reconcile this difference? Can you explain this, Funk?
By the way, i looked up Right-Wing in the thesaurus....two of the definitions are "Moderate" and "In the Middle", eh.
Left-Wing and Right-Wing are different in places....in some countries, the Left Wing might support abortion, and in others the Right-Wing might oppose war. So if you were putting together a dictionary definition of Left Wing and Ring Wing, how would you reconcile this difference? Can you explain this, Funk?
By the way, i looked up Right-Wing in the thesaurus....two of the definitions are "Moderate" and "In the Middle", eh.
Everybody does know it...lmao. The only eerie thing is the fact that because I cannot find every single existing source on the internet, you can somehow come to this dead air conclusion. There is absolutely no debate about what constitutes left and right wing in academic circles...unfortunately I can't send you to college over the internet tadou, so we will have to leave it here.
And here is the thesaurus.com entry for "right wing"...I have no fucking clue where you got moderate or middle of the road from.
Entry: reaction
Function: noun
Definition: conservativism
Synonyms: backlash, backsliding, counter-revolution, obscurantism, regression, relapse, retreat, retrenchment, retrogression, right, right wing, status quo, Toryism, withdrawal
Source: Roget's New Millennium™ Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.0.5)
Copyright © 2004 by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. All rights reserved.
Entry: right
Function: adjective
Definition: conservative
Synonyms: die-hard, fogyish, lunatic fringe, old-line, orthodox, reactionary, right wing, Tory, tradionalistic
Source: Roget's New Millennium™ Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.0.5)
Copyright © 2004 by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. All rights reserved.
And here is the thesaurus.com entry for "right wing"...I have no fucking clue where you got moderate or middle of the road from.
Entry: reaction
Function: noun
Definition: conservativism
Synonyms: backlash, backsliding, counter-revolution, obscurantism, regression, relapse, retreat, retrenchment, retrogression, right, right wing, status quo, Toryism, withdrawal
Source: Roget's New Millennium™ Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.0.5)
Copyright © 2004 by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. All rights reserved.
Entry: right
Function: adjective
Definition: conservative
Synonyms: die-hard, fogyish, lunatic fringe, old-line, orthodox, reactionary, right wing, Tory, tradionalistic
Source: Roget's New Millennium™ Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.0.5)
Copyright © 2004 by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. All rights reserved.
My bad. I meant to say, i looked up "Conservative" in a thesaurus, not Right Wing:
Conservative [n] person who is cautious, moderate; an opponent of change
bitter-ender, classicist, conserver, conventionalist, diehard, hard hat, middle-of-the-roader, moderate, moderatist, obstructionist....and so on.
Liberal [adj] (no entry for noun) progressive
advanced, avant-garde, broad, broad-minded, cathoic, enlightened, flexible, free, general, high-minded, humanistic, humanitarian, indulgent, intelligent, interested, latitudinarian, left, lenient, libertarian, loose, et al.
Straight from, Roget's 21st Century Thesuaurus, 2nd Edition, ISBN: 0-440-23513-8
So now, moderates and conservatives are one in the same.....go figure? I guess your definition indeed HASN'T 'always' been the definition.
Conservative [n] person who is cautious, moderate; an opponent of change
bitter-ender, classicist, conserver, conventionalist, diehard, hard hat, middle-of-the-roader, moderate, moderatist, obstructionist....and so on.
Liberal [adj] (no entry for noun) progressive
advanced, avant-garde, broad, broad-minded, cathoic, enlightened, flexible, free, general, high-minded, humanistic, humanitarian, indulgent, intelligent, interested, latitudinarian, left, lenient, libertarian, loose, et al.
Straight from, Roget's 21st Century Thesuaurus, 2nd Edition, ISBN: 0-440-23513-8
So now, moderates and conservatives are one in the same.....go figure? I guess your definition indeed HASN'T 'always' been the definition.
I will give you the fact that moderate or moderatist was listed with conservative in a thesaurus. It makes sense. If I had 20 dollars, and two seperate people demanded 20 dollars, and I gave each person half of my money, that would be a "conservative" move. Not a "politically conservative", or "right-wing" move, merely a "conservative" move.
Using a thesaurus to describe something, though, pretty hilarious gamble.
Thesaurus - Friendly: Intimate
Often our exchanges are friendly tadou. I guess we must be fucking then, right? If Right wing = Middle of the Road, and Friendly = Intimate. Boy where did that right-wing homophobia go! Hey, look, I won the coin toss...Bend Over! (__)(__)======D
Person 1: "How does he spend his money?"
Person 2: "He is very conservative."
In no way has a political affiliation been mentioned. Only among the small minds do definitions only exist in the context of Fox News and Spy vs. Spy.
Defining the political context of left and right wing based on a thesaurus, which explores only literary connections, and not connotations in specific instances, is faulty as fuck. The words "conservative" and "liberal" have been coined describing views, yet when you say, "He is a conservative", you are applying the modern day American label.
We could do a lot with that.
So today, pacifists and red-necks are look-alikes...hie to the tally? I opine your terminology often hasn't been the outlining.
Obviously, just as that example was patently false, using vague thesaurus connections to connect the dots is nonsense.
Using a thesaurus to describe something, though, pretty hilarious gamble.
Thesaurus - Friendly: Intimate
Often our exchanges are friendly tadou. I guess we must be fucking then, right? If Right wing = Middle of the Road, and Friendly = Intimate. Boy where did that right-wing homophobia go! Hey, look, I won the coin toss...Bend Over! (__)(__)======D
Person 1: "How does he spend his money?"
Person 2: "He is very conservative."
In no way has a political affiliation been mentioned. Only among the small minds do definitions only exist in the context of Fox News and Spy vs. Spy.
Defining the political context of left and right wing based on a thesaurus, which explores only literary connections, and not connotations in specific instances, is faulty as fuck. The words "conservative" and "liberal" have been coined describing views, yet when you say, "He is a conservative", you are applying the modern day American label.
We could do a lot with that.
So today, pacifists and red-necks are look-alikes...hie to the tally? I opine your terminology often hasn't been the outlining.
Obviously, just as that example was patently false, using vague thesaurus connections to connect the dots is nonsense.
Whoa....whoa now, you're fuckin WIGGING OUT, HOMIE!
So which one is it? You JUST ADMITTED there is a modern definition, and an historic one....? Care to make up your mind?
LMAO...you're having a nervous break-down over a Thesaurus potna. The same thesaurus you had no problem using against me as long as it was on your side
So which one is it? You JUST ADMITTED there is a modern definition, and an historic one....? Care to make up your mind?
LMAO...you're having a nervous break-down over a Thesaurus potna. The same thesaurus you had no problem using against me as long as it was on your side
Your words again.
This, straight from the inside of the book:
Roget's 21st Century Thesaurus
Second Edition
In dictionary form
The essential reference for home, school or office
Edited by the Princeton Language Institute
Barbara Ann Kepfer, Ph.D., Head Lexicographer
"There is absolutely no debate about what constitutes left and right wing in academic circles", you say? Then i guess since this person holds a Ph.D. and you don't, that i will take her word for it.....above and beyond any "debate" you may have about it.
This, straight from the inside of the book:
Roget's 21st Century Thesaurus
Second Edition
In dictionary form
The essential reference for home, school or office
Edited by the Princeton Language Institute
Barbara Ann Kepfer, Ph.D., Head Lexicographer
"There is absolutely no debate about what constitutes left and right wing in academic circles", you say? Then i guess since this person holds a Ph.D. and you don't, that i will take her word for it.....above and beyond any "debate" you may have about it.
Let's play a game, It's called "Draw Connections that mean Nothing!"
Here you go tadou, this was part of my earlier post:
We could do a lot with that.
Quote:
Originally Posted by tadoumeister
So now, moderates and conservatives are one in the same.....go figure? I guess your definition indeed HASN'T 'always' been the definition
So today, pacifists and red-necks are look-alikes...hie to the tally? I opine your terminology often hasn't been the outlining.
See how the meaning changes? No one but an absolute fool would use a thesaurus for a definition.
Here you go tadou, this was part of my earlier post:
We could do a lot with that.
Quote:
Originally Posted by tadoumeister
So now, moderates and conservatives are one in the same.....go figure? I guess your definition indeed HASN'T 'always' been the definition
So today, pacifists and red-necks are look-alikes...hie to the tally? I opine your terminology often hasn't been the outlining.
See how the meaning changes? No one but an absolute fool would use a thesaurus for a definition.
And obviously you can not handle a large post, with several different points in it...I'll break it down slowly for you:
Thesaurus - Friendly: Intimate
Often our exchanges are friendly tadou. I guess we must be fucking then, right? If Right wing = Middle of the Road, and Friendly = Intimate. Boy where did that right-wing homophobia go! Hey, look, I won the coin toss...Bend Over!
(__)(__)======D
Thesaurus - Friendly: Intimate
Often our exchanges are friendly tadou. I guess we must be fucking then, right? If Right wing = Middle of the Road, and Friendly = Intimate. Boy where did that right-wing homophobia go! Hey, look, I won the coin toss...Bend Over!
(__)(__)======D