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YALL MOTHERFUCKERS

need to NOT turn this into a race campaign, and see of it more as a cultural campaign. This is AMERICA, and to live here you need to partially check the 'heritage' of wherever your ancestors came from at the door.
I agree. I simply stated that Obama was trying to use race to his advantage, when in reality he is half white and he doesn't embrace it. I don't think race should be the deciding factor in this election, but it has definitely been made an issue. By black voters because he isn't "Black enough", by Obama himself because he is "Black", by other folks for recognizing and pointing out that he is indeed half white. I'm not trying to make race an issue, I'm trying to point out that I don't like him because he's lied, and he doesn't embrace all that he is. Whether it's white, black, arab, whatever...I don't give a shit...just acknowledge it. Again, that's my personal opinion and I'm not trying to shove it in anybody's face. I feel strongly about my shit.
 

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i really must have had to read that wrong. you really, really couldnt have meant that people who have not been directly enslaved are not effected by it. so what if im related to harriet tubman? just because i wasnt a runaway slave that shit dont matter to me?

what if my boys relative was the black man hung in that picture were theres about 40 white men holding torches and pointing at him?

dosent matter because it didnt happen to him?

i mean so i guess jews should forget about the fucking holocaust

that shit directly effects you homie, fucking watching roots effected me, reading the autobiography of malcom x effected me, you must not understand the power of that shit, thats why i was into x clan and public enemy, they broke down why that shit DOES effect you now.

shit why u think paul wall and them went to africa to the diamond mines? to get a new piece?

i guess when your culture systematically rapes the entire earth its hard to feel a sense of awareness after wrongdoing...

only when its in your backyard...
 
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YALL MOTHERFUCKERS

need to NOT turn this into a race campaign, and see of it more as a cultural campaign. This is AMERICA, and to live here you need to partially check the 'heritage' of wherever your ancestors came from at the door.

If you're Irish, you aint gonna sell a whole lot of potato soup here. If you're Arabic, you aint covering up any of MY mfkn girlfriends to the point where I can't look down her shirt if I damn well choose.

If you're German, I'm not going to come to your 'playhouse' with oxygen proof windows/doors and breathe in your 'funny gas'.

Because you can't force these things down my throat where I live.

I think this whole "blackness" question is fucking absurd. It's a representation of how ignorant our country is as a whole. We still see skin color as a means of identifying a sub-culture with particular stereotypes and ideals.

If there's ANY "_____ness" we should pay attention to it's "economic ladderness". Where do you sit? Who's going to put money in your pocket, and who's going to stimulate the economy and create jobs for us? I can tell you one thing, ending this war is the beginning of that. Who would make a better president?

I dont know at this point, I can only go with my intuition. We need a leader who identifies with most all sub cultures in this country on both a micro and macro sociological plane. I feel with either man's path to where they are now, Barack Obama understands a larger audience than John McCain does. Did you guys see him at that biker show he spoke at? What a fucking square, a fish out of water- a large pink elephant at a party full of mice. He was playing the crowd with a nervous smile, wondering if at any moment 6 bikers would steal and fornicate with his wife.

When I think of John McCain I think of a man who grew up under republican leaders such as Nixon, Reagan, and Bush Sr. I believe he would have been a much better choice than Bush for he last 8 years, and on the republican side there's no better nomination than McCain. However, at this point in time I feel that given the state of this nation Obama would serve the interest of the people as a whole... while McCain would serve the interest of his military friends, his friends who own real estate in 4 different states, and all the other republican who have helped him to the position he sits in to this day.

besides, Obama crossed Stuart Scott in a game of basketball. How couldn't you vote for a president that would run a 1 on 1 tournament at the United Nations?
That is how I see it, McCain isn't for the majority in the U.S, Obama brings hope and a future and finally can bring back the Middle class instead of widening the margin and making it disappear. Our economy will be much better because of this, if fooz are dying off the tax shit then you shouldnt of voted republican in the last 8 years. All those tax cuts by the bush regime are just gonna come back and bite us in the ass. All we are right now is China's bitch borrowing there money.
 
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great summarry.

YALL MOTHERFUCKERS

need to NOT turn this into a race campaign, and see of it more as a cultural campaign. This is AMERICA, and to live here you need to partially check the 'heritage' of wherever your ancestors came from at the door.

If you're Irish, you aint gonna sell a whole lot of potato soup here. If you're Arabic, you aint covering up any of MY mfkn girlfriends to the point where I can't look down her shirt if I damn well choose.

If you're German, I'm not going to come to your 'playhouse' with oxygen proof windows/doors and breathe in your 'funny gas'.

Because you can't force these things down my throat where I live.

I think this whole "blackness" question is fucking absurd. It's a representation of how ignorant our country is as a whole. We still see skin color as a means of identifying a sub-culture with particular stereotypes and ideals.

If there's ANY "_____ness" we should pay attention to it's "economic ladderness". Where do you sit? Who's going to put money in your pocket, and who's going to stimulate the economy and create jobs for us? I can tell you one thing, ending this war is the beginning of that. Who would make a better president?

I dont know at this point, I can only go with my intuition. We need a leader who identifies with most all sub cultures in this country on both a micro and macro sociological plane. I feel with either man's path to where they are now, Barack Obama understands a larger audience than John McCain does. Did you guys see him at that biker show he spoke at? What a fucking square, a fish out of water- a large pink elephant at a party full of mice. He was playing the crowd with a nervous smile, wondering if at any moment 6 bikers would steal and fornicate with his wife.

When I think of John McCain I think of a man who grew up under republican leaders such as Nixon, Reagan, and Bush Sr. I believe he would have been a much better choice than Bush for he last 8 years, and on the republican side there's no better nomination than McCain. However, at this point in time I feel that given the state of this nation Obama would serve the interest of the people as a whole... while McCain would serve the interest of his military friends, his friends who own real estate in 4 different states, and all the other republican who have helped him to the position he sits in to this day.

besides, Obama crossed Stuart Scott in a game of basketball. How couldn't you vote for a president that would run a 1 on 1 tournament at the United Nations?
no need to say anymore. this is reality.
 

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first off, you being a white man, your argument for the plight of black people is completely invalid, as you have never lived, known, been a relative of, or historically can recall family history of black enslavement.
No, you're right, I can't recall a family history of "Black enslavement". I can go back and see that my people too were enslaved, they just weren't black.

"If Queen Elizabeth I had lived in the 20th Century. she would have been viewed with the same horror as Hitler and Stalin. Her policy of Irish genocide was pursued with such evil zest it boggles the mind of modern men. But Elizabeth was only setting the stage for the even more savage program that was to follow her, directed specifically to exterminate the Irish. James II and Charles I continued Elizabeth’s campaign, but Cromwell almost perfected it. Few people in modern so-called “civilized history” can match the horrors of Cromwell in Ireland. It is amazing what one man can do to his fellow man under the banner that God sanctions his actions!"

I'm Italian/Irish, and I can tell you directly, that Irish are known as the blacks of Europe. We may not be black, but I can go back and show you shit just like the quote above. Just like the Germans exterminated Jews, people everywhere (even IN Ireland), wanted to exterminate the Irish. We weren't called slaves, it was sugar coated and my people were called INDENTURED SERVANTS! It was usually 3 to 7 years of work, but other than that aspect, it wasn't much different. That was in THIS country though, that's not going back to the issues in Europe. I won't even get into all that though, because you're RIGHT. ONLY BLACK FOLKS UNDERSTAND ENSLAVEMENT AND MISTREATMENT!

secondly, an argument in power when were talking about slavery is completely off topic. you went from talking about blacks not being affected by slavery, to saying that his parents had power. what the fuck does that mean as a black man? can you honestly answer that to me? have you ever been a black man, have you grown up black?
I started by saying Barack Obama was not affected by slavery, and if he was, it was because his family was involved in the slave trade. I then got attacked and I didn't know what I was talking about because I'm not black, and I "don't understand". What the fuck ever. That's where my argument started, other folks brought the fact that I'm white into it and made that the argument. So really, I was going back to my original argument.

third, you KNOWING AFRICANS DOES NOT MEAN SHIT and is the biggest cop out white people come up with when it comes to these talks. so all the sudden you just soaked up a lifetimes worth of blackness because you had a race convo? HA!
You wanted me to give you proof that it didn't affect black people that weren't slaves, so I did. It's not valid because it's being passed on to you by a white dude? I didn't say I soaked up a lifetime of anything. I just remember a conversation I had with a couple African cats, and they brought this shit up...I listened, soaked it up, and found it quite interesting.

if you think slavery didnt effect africans, africa, and the entire world, you, and your african friends are ignorant as fuck and should be beheaded, and have your heads dumped in vacant lots.

imo.
Nice. Tell that to the Africans that don't give a fuck about American slavery. I didn't say it, I just passed it on. And if you think that black people are the only people on this big fucking planet we call Earth that know oppression, slavery, hard times, etc....then I expect your head to be sitting right next to mine.
 

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all enslavement dosent fall under the same rules. many outcomes.

some rise to be integrated in the power structure, some dont.

i cant tell a person to believe in something or care.

but i can say, as a black man whos father side comes from new orleans and his mothers side comes from a town in arkansas with 40 people, i have been effected by slavery, and so has my family.

and imho african/african americans has unsolved issues they need to work out amongst eachother before an unbiased talk on that can even be made

theyre both big on turning their noses up at eachother..and i know africans as well...got family there..i was gonna go to swaziland but i dont have the cash for that shit right now

i meant no offense i just strongly dont agree. for whatever that is worth.

slavery is damn near the reason black folk eat so much pork. if i wanted to take it there, which obviously effects the health of black people, alot of things go that far back.
 
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if you didnt know.

(I started by saying Barack Obama was not affected by slavery, and if he was, it was because his family was involved in the slave trade. I then got attacked and I didn't know what I was talking about because I'm not black, and I "don't understand". What the fuck ever. That's where my argument started, other folks brought the fact that I'm white into it and made that the argument. So really, I was going back to my original argument.)

working class, average people who own there home or not, poor people living in public housing, are modern day slaves. our economy, job market, etc. is dictated by INDIVIDUALS. things werent this bad 20 yrs ago. man created,therefore, man can make it right. but the key is, which candidate wants too?
 

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i really must have had to read that wrong. you really, really couldnt have meant that people who have not been directly enslaved are not effected by it. so what if im related to harriet tubman? just because i wasnt a runaway slave that shit dont matter to me?

what if my boys relative was the black man hung in that picture were theres about 40 white men holding torches and pointing at him?

dosent matter because it didnt happen to him?

i mean so i guess jews should forget about the fucking holocaust

that shit directly effects you homie, fucking watching roots effected me, reading the autobiography of malcom x effected me, you must not understand the power of that shit, thats why i was into x clan and public enemy, they broke down why that shit DOES effect you now.

shit why u think paul wall and them went to africa to the diamond mines? to get a new piece?

i guess when your culture systematically rapes the entire earth its hard to feel a sense of awareness after wrongdoing...

only when its in your backyard...
See, you took it and twisted it in ways that I couldn't have even thought up, let alone stated. Descendants of slaves were affected, definitely...I don't disagree with that. The Civil Rights movement, lynchings, Malcolm X is a topic related to black struggle, and you're right in that I will never understand that particular movement or what folks went through during that time. HOWEVER, people from a background in which their ancestors were trading slaves and owning them have no right to speak on how American slavery affected their family in a negative fashion...they made money and survived off this shit.

Like I said, my CULTURE didn't rape the entire earth. WHITE isn't a culture, it's a shade. My Irish family is white, and they've been shit on for centuries. Don't compare me to the cracker jacks that think they are American and nothing else, because I'm far from it.

Jews shouldn't forget about anything, because they are still affected by it. They've been shit on for THOUSANDS of years and it is still going on, which is fucked up. The folks that were lynched, the people that died for civil rights, that was fucked up and nobody should ever forget that. Hell, I'm not saying we should forget about slavery. So I don't know why you're putting those words into my mouth.
 

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i didnt say your culture raped the entire earth...im really speaking in general with that comment..like american culture for instance..thats a wide range of races and mixtures. maybe i should have said our culture...but someone might have taken offense as well

im not sure if just because you live in america and pay taxes you should be considered part of 'american culture' though...
 

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(I started by saying Barack Obama was not affected by slavery, and if he was, it was because his family was involved in the slave trade. I then got attacked and I didn't know what I was talking about because I'm not black, and I "don't understand". What the fuck ever. That's where my argument started, other folks brought the fact that I'm white into it and made that the argument. So really, I was going back to my original argument.)

working class, average people who own there home or not, poor people living in public housing, are modern day slaves. our economy, job market, etc. is dictated by INDIVIDUALS. things werent this bad 20 yrs ago. man created,therefore, man can make it right. but the key is, which candidate wants too?
I agree with you, a lot of people are fucked. Which is why I came with the argument a few years ago that we need to rebuild this country before we send millions of dollars to rebuild places like Iraq. I love this country and everybody in it, regardless of ethnic makeup...and I believe in helping everybody that truly NEEDS IT!

I don't even know that I'm voting in this election, because I don't agree with Obama and I haven't even heard McCain yet. When I do I will know, but as of right now you won't find me at the Polls.
 

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i didnt say your culture raped the entire earth...im really speaking in general with that comment..like american culture for instance..thats a wide range of races and mixtures. maybe i should have said our culture...but someone might have taken offense as well

im not sure if just because you live in america and pay taxes you should be considered part of 'american culture' though...
I don't completely agree with the term "American Culture", because this country is a melting pot made up of many different cultures. Some forget what their culture is, but a lot hold on to it and pass it down. I don't really grasp the "American Culture".

Like I said, I'm Italian/Irish. I think like Italians and Irish folks do, I'm hot blooded and passionate, I'm big on both cuisines and fascinated by the languages. I recognize that the fast paced lifestyle is an American thing and that's hard to shake, but other than that, I embrace what my family was and is. We are proud of our roots and that is our identity.

On another note, you need to realize that I'm all for bettering our nation and the people in it. I think that once things are REMEMBERED, but EMBRACED, we will be able to move past the racial boundaries and actually look out for each other. The racial boundary doesn't exist in my mind or my heart, but I know it's out there and it's ugly as fuck...for what it's worth. I come from a similar background...the Irish were attacked by the English because they were, in the eyes of the English, basically "Failed English"..."England's trash"...however you wanna put it. The Civil war over there didn't help much.
 
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The racial boundary doesn't exist in my mind or my heart, but I know it's out there and it's ugly as fuck...for what it's worth. I come from a similar background...the Irish were attacked by the English because they were, in the eyes of the English, basically "Failed English"..."England's trash"...however you wanna put it. The Civil war over there didn't help much.
england has always wanted to dominate ireland..
blame the clans and their raiding parties on the saxons
irish didnt wanna be no fuckin puppet state like the welsh.
the scots didnt wanna be no puppet state.
england has no sympathy for the weak.
and one thing they are good at is dehumanizing the enemy.
the king flipped the script over some pussy and became a fucking protestant
and tried to force his new religion on the whole sovereign nation of ireland.

indentured servants was a big step up from PEASANTS.
but that shit aint SLAVERY.

the first slave owners were black.
your defeated foes became your property.
thats common knowledge. shit got out of hand.

as far as your "africans dont agree with you" bullshit... who gives a fuck?
thats irrelevant. ive talked to a gang of africans who point out the flaws of black america and how we should learn more and how our kids dont care and reach out to africa but blahblahblah we american get money fuck bitches niggas aint hearin that shit.
we barely care about niggas who live on the opposite side of our own city, you think we care about africa and their opinions? honestly....
 

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england has always wanted to dominate ireland..
blame the clans and their raiding parties on the saxons
irish didnt wanna be no fuckin puppet state like the welsh.
the scots didnt wanna be no puppet state.
england has no sympathy for the weak.
and one thing they are good at is dehumanizing the enemy.
the king flipped the script over some pussy and became a fucking protestant
and tried to force his new religion on the whole sovereign nation of ireland.
Exactly. The Irish were considered LESS HUMAN! Sounds familiar.

indentured servants was a big step up from PEASANTS.
but that shit aint SLAVERY.
It's very close to slavery. The only difference between being a slave and being an "indentured servant" is, indentured servants did it voluntarily in order to come to this country. They weren't paid for their work, the conditions were fucked up. They were given a place to live, clothes to wear, and food to eat. Not slavery, but very similar to slavery.

the first slave owners were black.
your defeated foes became your property.
thats common knowledge. shit got out of hand.
That is a known fact. I'm aware of that.

as far as your "africans dont agree with you" bullshit... who gives a fuck?
thats irrelevant. ive talked to a gang of africans who point out the flaws of black america and how we should learn more and how our kids dont care and reach out to africa but blahblahblah we american get money fuck bitches niggas aint hearin that shit.
we barely care about niggas who live on the opposite side of our own city, you think we care about africa and their opinions? honestly....
I was told to give solid proof for my argument, and I did that. I don't care if my African friends agree or disagree. My point was, not everybody feels that slavery has affected them. That was all I said, I was called on it, and I provided a reason on WHY I said it. Those were words from THEIR mouths, not mine. THEIR minds, not mine. I'm not here to speak for people, but I did make an observation based on a couple conversations I've had with people so I let it be known. If I wasn't called on it, I wouldn't have made my point.
 

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as far as your "africans dont agree with you" bullshit... who gives a fuck?
thats irrelevant. ive talked to a gang of africans who point out the flaws of black america and how we should learn more and how our kids dont care and reach out to africa but blahblahblah we american get money fuck bitches niggas aint hearin that shit.
we barely care about niggas who live on the opposite side of our own city, you think we care about africa and their opinions? honestly....
on some real shit, a lot of african immigrants (especially the older ones) shake their heads at the attitudes many african americans hold, whether it be the materialistic nature or the dwelling on slavery and its effects and looking for handouts... this might be a generalization, but the ones i interacted with are some hardworking mofos and i guess back where they from, the problems we have over here aint shit compared to theirs back home...