ufc 86 jackson vs griffin predictions

[Ethereal]

What I find interesting is that those who actively follow MMA (those that discuss it on here) see the fight in favor of Forrest, while most of those who see it in favor of Rampage appear to be (displaying) lacking the fundamentals of the UFC scoring system. Striking is 1 of 4 criteria used by judges to score the fight yet that seems to be what many people are basing their opinion on. This is a a clear sign of someone who does not completely understand how MMA fighting works.

I saw the fight in favor of Forrest as well.

 

[B-Buzz]

Well there was little grappling so that doesn't figure into any of the scores. Effective striking: imo Rampage takes everything but round 2 with this. Forrest hardly landed any punches and the leg kicks were his only effective strikes. Also Rampage landed the harder shots.

G. The heavier striker who lands with efficiency, deserves more credit from the Judges than total number landed.
1. If the striking power between the fighters was equal, then the total number landed would be used as the criteria.
2. The total number of strikes landed, should be of sufficient quantity favoring a fighter, to earn a winning round.

That leaves octagon control and effective aggressiveness, both categories I don't like in these kinds of fights. Forrest set the tempo but on Rampage's flourishes Forrest was retreating more. In a fight like theirs I think it relies heavily on the striking aspect to pick the winner. Forrest's triangle attempt isn't enough to win a round, case in point is Tito catching Machida in one and Machida winning that round on every card. I don't think Forrest "dominated" round 2 like a lot of people are saying. He got the takedown from the leg kicks and landed maybe 2 or 3 strikes in the couple minutes he had Rampage on the ground.
The main thing is that people have been saying the point system is flawed for awhile now. Hopefully something like this can shed a little more light on what needs to be fixed.
Also, this isn't the first time something like this has happened.

 

[MrPeete]

Also, this isn't the first time something like this has happened.

lol

I can't stand that guy for some reason. Maybe because of that fight. Him and Kenny Florian... *shrugs*

 

[Snubnoze]

ITS PROBABLY A BUNCHA FUCKIN WHITEBOYS ON HERE STICKIN UP FOR THEIR GREAT WHITE HYPE . BITCHES

Don't even go that fucking route. I'm white and I've been a fan of Rampage for over 5 years. I'm also pissed because from my perspective Rampage took 1,3,4 and should have won that fight, or at the very least had a draw if you consider round 2 as a 10-8. This ain't no fucking racial thing....

Regardless, it is Rampage's fault for underestimating Forrest. He looked like shit in this fight, and at 100% he would have finished Forrest and left no question. I guess that is what we will have to wait to see in the rematch...

 

[B-Buzz]

lol

I can't stand that guy for some reason. Maybe because of that fight.

ya not taking the rematch really made me not care for him. Anyone see last night when they had him on camera and Mac Danzig was sitting behind him? I was cracking up the whole time, Mac was looking at Bisping like he was the biggest douchebag on the planet

 

[naner12]

What I find interesting is that those who actively follow MMA (those that discuss it on here) see the fight in favor of Forrest, while most of those who see it in favor of Rampage appear to be (displaying) lacking the fundamentals of the UFC scoring system. Striking is 1 of 4 criteria used by judges to score the fight yet that seems to be what many people are basing their opinion on. This is a a clear sign of someone who does not completely understand how MMA fighting works.

I saw the fight in favor of Forrest as well.

I disagree. I gave it to Rampage because I thought he took rounds 1, 3 & 4 with rounds 3 & 4 being somewhat close. I just don't see this fight as a big of a robbery that most people on here and on other forums are claiming it was. I think a lot of people are more angry at the fact that it's Forrest Griffin than anything else. For years the wanna be know it all fan boys bashed fighters that came off TUF like they didn't have a career prior to the show and now a guy that came off that show beat Shogun and Rampage ..

People are always going to argue close decisions and claim robbery. It happens in every high profile close fight whether it's boxing or MMA. Check the most recent JMM vs. Pacman threads on any forum, including this one, and you'll see people that had JMM clearly winning and others that had Pacquiao clearly winning. I wouldn't say it's lack of knowledge more than it's someone thinking the other guy did a little more work in the very close rounds.

 

[UCDgreek]

ITS PROBABLY A BUNCHA FUCKIN WHITEBOYS ON HERE STICKIN UP FOR THEIR GREAT WHITE HYPE . BITCHES

come on man do you really have to take it there.

 

[killahoe666]

Rampage easily won 3 of the rounds....the decision was bullshit and completely confused the fuck out of me when given to forrest....not to mention I lost $340 on that stupid ass decision

 

[killahoe666]

Their probably setting this up for Anderson Silva to hold belts in both weight classes because Rampage probably wouldn't wanna fight Silva since they train together....FUCK the UFC

 

[naner12]

Their probably setting this up for Anderson Silva to hold belts in both weight classes because Rampage probably wouldn't wanna fight Silva since they train together....FUCK the UFC

Rampage doesn't train with Anderson. I don't doubt they sparred together at one point in time but they don't train together.

 

[MrPeete]

Their probably setting this up for Anderson Silva to hold belts in both weight classes because Rampage probably wouldn't wanna fight Silva since they train together....FUCK the UFC

 

[Robby2Slobby]

I think its a bullshit decision, but I think it was made on the fact that the judges probably expected Rampage to dominate Griffin.. Upon rewatching the fight, you can see easily that Rampage was in control in the first, third and fourth rounds. Easily.. He won all those rounds.

2nd and Fifth went to Forrest... If I was scoring, though, I probably would've scored it a draw.

 

[KrazeeRDM]

PLEASE PASS THIS AROUND THE THREAD.

like someone said the belt wasnt taking from rampage but he didnt do shit to keep it. they gave it to the guy who was more aggressive

 

[Robby2Slobby]

To me, he wasn't more aggressive at all.. he back pedaled and kept distance.. That's not a more aggressive style.. It is really smart but not aggressive.. He didn't go for any knockouts or anything an aggressive style would suggest.

 

[MOREBASS]

LOL


Sticking and moving from the outside is hardly aggressive. Forrest didn't want to engage, and when they did, Rampage got the best of him and rocked him several times.

Here are the fightmetric stats for the fight:

http://fightmetric.com/fights/Griffin-Rampage.html


Based on their reviews it was a 47-47 draw, but Rampage won for more damage !


^ Can't really argue with that. Every punch, kick, knee, elbow, submission attempt, etc. was accounted for.

This isn't amateur boxing, the person who inflicts the most damage should be the one who wins. Forrest didn't land enough clean hard punches to take the belt, IMO.

 

[Shogun Locc]

LOL


Sticking and moving from the outside is hardly aggressive. Forrest didn't want to engage, and when they did, Rampage got the best of him and rocked him several times.

Here are the fightmetric stats for the fight:

http://fightmetric.com/fights/Griffin-Rampage.html


Based on their reviews it was a 47-47 draw, but Rampage won for more damage !


^ Can't really argue with that. Every punch, kick, knee, elbow, submission attempt, etc. was accounted for.

This isn't amateur boxing, the person who inflicts the most damage should be the one who wins. Forrest didn't land enough clean hard punches to take the belt, IMO.

Good looking on the fightmetric MOREBASS it explains alot

 

[MIIthasav]

The one ideal MMA should take from Boxing is that you should have to convincingly beat the champion to take the title from him. That didn't happen here I don't think.

Rampage wasn't aggressive enough though. He kept waiting for Forrest to make a mistake and Forrest wasn't making too many mistakes

Although I do think he should have been more aggressive, I don't think Rampage should have been penalized for not being more so, he was hurt. Forrest should have been for not capitalizing on that injured leg more. He ran from a guy who was clearly hurt.

 

[MIIthasav]

This was my first UFC ppv buy and it will be my last barring a miracle. To watch Griffin's whole gameplan be centered around winning on points is disrespectful to those who choose MMA over boxing. Based on that fight, what is the difference? Griffin not going after a man who is clearly injured is no different than a fighter not attacking somebody that he has wobbled.

Leg kicks, defense, and hope for a decision. That's MMA?

 

[killahoe666]

Rampage doesn't train with Anderson. I don't doubt they sparred together at one point in time but they don't train together.

My bad....leading up to the Dan Henderson fight with Silva they were always showing Rampage when showing Silva training

 

[WXS STOMP3R]

PLEASE PASS THIS AROUND THE THREAD.

like someone said the belt wasnt taking from rampage but he didnt do shit to keep it. they gave it to the guy who was more aggressive

NOW I KNOW THIS ISNT BOXING BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS UNIVERSALLY WELL KNOWN, THAT YOU HAVE TO DOMINATE THE CHAMP TO WIN A DECISION OVER HIM AND QUITE HONESTLY I HAD THE FIGHT CAPABLE OF GOING EITHER WAY...THOUGH RAMPAGE HAD THE BIGGER ROUNDS AND BIGGER SHOTS IN MY BOOKS. I THINK FORREST GOT LUCKY ON THIS DECISION.