TRUTH BE TOLD FOR THE MAYWEATHER FANS......
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I don't give a shit about top rank or bob arum. I'm saying from a promotional point of view it would be wise to get him some experience first and build his name, let him defend his title once or twice. Sure it's a shot at Floyd and maybe that IS just to hard to pass by, but at the same time it could damage his career more than help it when all is said and done. There have been a lot of fighters in the past who were rushed and it didn't turn out well for them, others have risen to the occasion. All I'm saying is I don't fully agree with the thought that Ortiz is ready for elite fighters just yet.
And who do I discredit? Did I discredit Floyd when he fought and beat Mosley or was I praising it more than just about anyone else on this forum? When people said Mosley ran out of gas, I said Floyd adjusted and used phenomenal timing, etc.
And who do I discredit? Did I discredit Floyd when he fought and beat Mosley or was I praising it more than just about anyone else on this forum? When people said Mosley ran out of gas, I said Floyd adjusted and used phenomenal timing, etc.
How will we find out if he's ready for a elite fighter? By going in the ring and fighting a elite fighter. That's the point of fighting to test your skill against the best fighter. The wrost thing that happens to Ortiz is that he loses and gains big fight experience and win win for Ortiz. Or he wins and become the man in boxing.
that is not the worst thing. He could get whooped so bad he's never the same physically or mentally or both. He could lose confidence in himself, lose his next fight etc. etc etc. There are a lot of possibilities.
It's very rare a guy with one title fight in his pro career fights the #1 or #2 pound 4 pound fighter in the world. And I'm not complaining or saying it's wrong, you miss my point, which is from a promoters point of view, it might not be best idea to get him in the ring with Floyd right now. He has no jab. He has no head movement. He hasn't developed the kind of skills he needs in order to beat Floyd.
If I were his promoter, it would be in my best interest to make sure he's 100% ready and I don't think he is. Shit, Lamont Peterson gave him a lot of problems in the 2nd half of the fight what do you think floyd is going to do? He's not prepared for what Floyd brings and as a promoter, they should prepare him. Have him fight another slick fighter and work on developing the skills needed. He's not going to suddenly learn that stuff in 8 weeks of training camp.
That's my opinion. Of course, you can throw him in there and believe he has a "punchers chance" to win or the experience will make him better down the road. If it were me promoting him I would want to have him prepared to WIN and become a star.
It's very rare a guy with one title fight in his pro career fights the #1 or #2 pound 4 pound fighter in the world. And I'm not complaining or saying it's wrong, you miss my point, which is from a promoters point of view, it might not be best idea to get him in the ring with Floyd right now. He has no jab. He has no head movement. He hasn't developed the kind of skills he needs in order to beat Floyd.
If I were his promoter, it would be in my best interest to make sure he's 100% ready and I don't think he is. Shit, Lamont Peterson gave him a lot of problems in the 2nd half of the fight what do you think floyd is going to do? He's not prepared for what Floyd brings and as a promoter, they should prepare him. Have him fight another slick fighter and work on developing the skills needed. He's not going to suddenly learn that stuff in 8 weeks of training camp.
That's my opinion. Of course, you can throw him in there and believe he has a "punchers chance" to win or the experience will make him better down the road. If it were me promoting him I would want to have him prepared to WIN and become a star.
1st off Mayweather is not a hard puncher so I'm not worried about Ortiz being damaged so bad that it will effect the rest of his career.
2nd There is not slick boxer in boxing that will get Ortiz ready for Mayweather, so why waste time. Ride your big win into another big fight just like Ortiz is doing.
3rd How would Ortiz know how good he really is unless he fights an elite fighter.
4th Fighting Mayweather or Manny is a opportunity you do not turn down.
2nd There is not slick boxer in boxing that will get Ortiz ready for Mayweather, so why waste time. Ride your big win into another big fight just like Ortiz is doing.
3rd How would Ortiz know how good he really is unless he fights an elite fighter.
4th Fighting Mayweather or Manny is a opportunity you do not turn down.
Mayweather has good pop and Ortiz has been knocked down twice by Berto, knocked out by Maidana and he had been knocked down by some no name earlier in his career, so he's vulnerable in the chin department. Mayweathers power comes from precise timing and speed and he should be able to catch Ortiz while he lunges in, something he does often, and if you recall Mayweather's best highlight reel KO was from another lunger and never KO'd before Ricky Hatton. So I think to say floyd is not a hard puncher is not true when considering Ortiz's chin and the style matchup.
There is no other Floyd Mayweather in boxing but what I'm saying is to help prepare him for the style of a floyd mayweather. Floyd isn't a Berto. The point is to practice the techniques needed to beat floyd to better prepare for the fight.
There are elite fighers and then there are Floyd & Pacquiao.
Like I said, maybe it's too big of an opportunity to pass up on so obviously I'm not blaming him, again I was speaking in the point of view of a promoter and what I would do if I were Golden Boy, not sure why you can't grasp that. HERESY and I were having a conversion and I simply said I don't think Ortiz is ready for this type of fight. If you disagree fine, but I seriously doubt you believe he is either.
Maybe I'm wrong about that, I didn't think he had it in him to beat Berto but he proved me wrong, maybe he'll prove me wrong again. I'm just sayin how I see it.
There is no other Floyd Mayweather in boxing but what I'm saying is to help prepare him for the style of a floyd mayweather. Floyd isn't a Berto. The point is to practice the techniques needed to beat floyd to better prepare for the fight.
There are elite fighers and then there are Floyd & Pacquiao.
Like I said, maybe it's too big of an opportunity to pass up on so obviously I'm not blaming him, again I was speaking in the point of view of a promoter and what I would do if I were Golden Boy, not sure why you can't grasp that. HERESY and I were having a conversion and I simply said I don't think Ortiz is ready for this type of fight. If you disagree fine, but I seriously doubt you believe he is either.
Maybe I'm wrong about that, I didn't think he had it in him to beat Berto but he proved me wrong, maybe he'll prove me wrong again. I'm just sayin how I see it.
@ Heresey, Look man we can argue all day about ortiz' performance w berto. My Sig is just poking fun at MANNY LOVERS!!! u were obviously hurt,(POKED UR VAGINA!) like it or not it's true: Manny recently (including his historic 8 DIV belts) Has been in the ring with fighters who were struggling and on a downward spiral!!! Name me 1 of his recent BIG fights where he fought someone who was on top of there game, AND COMING OF AN IMPRESSIVE WIN!!!!! If you didnt have manny's pelvic hair in ur eye brows u may notice what im sayin is real spit..
No arguing. You simply aren't making sense. lol@ a guy getting knocked down twice and almost getting knocked out "dominating" a fight.
No, it didn't do anything to me. You asked for people to peep your sig, I did and in the past, even though you've been a Floyd groupie, I've never said anything to you sideways. This all shows you're like your master Floyd. You can talk about panties, vaginas, periods, pubic hairs whatever (at least you are talking about female anatomy and not about dicks every other sentence like your twin bigfraud.)
What is an "IMPRESSIVE WIN!!!!!" and what do you consider being on top of game?
Cotto, Margarito, Hatton, De la Hoya, Solis and Diaz were coming off wins. Marquez was coming off a win in the previous fight and is coming off one now. Mosley was coming off a draw and Barerra a loss after a 6 fight win streak (so miss me with that shot fighter bullshit.) Clottey was coming off a loss after a 5 fight win streak (miss me with the shot fighter bullshit.)
So out of his last 10 fights you have Manny fighting 7 fights where the fighter was coming off a win. One fight where a guy was coming off a draw and two fights where a guy was coming off loss.
Now look at Floyds last ten fights. 7* fights were against someone coming off wins. Zab coming off a loss. Bruseles coming off a fight that was stopped due to accidental headbutt, Mitchell coming off a TD win after his fight was stopped in the 5th (it's a win in the books and I included it justs o you wouldn't cry about it) and Corley who was coming off a loss to Zab.
Go get your stomach pumped, and if you don't have Blue Cross, Kaiser or any other type of health insurance have the bill sent to your fathers house (not me dumb nigga, I'm talking about Floyd.)
No, it didn't do anything to me. You asked for people to peep your sig, I did and in the past, even though you've been a Floyd groupie, I've never said anything to you sideways. This all shows you're like your master Floyd. You can talk about panties, vaginas, periods, pubic hairs whatever (at least you are talking about female anatomy and not about dicks every other sentence like your twin bigfraud.)
What is an "IMPRESSIVE WIN!!!!!" and what do you consider being on top of game?
Cotto, Margarito, Hatton, De la Hoya, Solis and Diaz were coming off wins. Marquez was coming off a win in the previous fight and is coming off one now. Mosley was coming off a draw and Barerra a loss after a 6 fight win streak (so miss me with that shot fighter bullshit.) Clottey was coming off a loss after a 5 fight win streak (miss me with the shot fighter bullshit.)
So out of his last 10 fights you have Manny fighting 7 fights where the fighter was coming off a win. One fight where a guy was coming off a draw and two fights where a guy was coming off loss.
Now look at Floyds last ten fights. 7* fights were against someone coming off wins. Zab coming off a loss. Bruseles coming off a fight that was stopped due to accidental headbutt, Mitchell coming off a TD win after his fight was stopped in the 5th (it's a win in the books and I included it justs o you wouldn't cry about it) and Corley who was coming off a loss to Zab.
Go get your stomach pumped, and if you don't have Blue Cross, Kaiser or any other type of health insurance have the bill sent to your fathers house (not me dumb nigga, I'm talking about Floyd.)
1. no flomo
2.Impressive win: A fighter ko''ing his opponent, One sided UD, Or a VERY competetive match where being the underdog, he wins.
3. Cotto was not only coming off a brutal ass whoopin from margarito; then went on to fight michael jennings (who?) but prior to the manny fight clotty beat him. Some fans gave it to cotto for showing heart while fighting 8 rounds with a huge gash over his left eye. (downward spiral) Manny fights him now.
4.Margarito Was coming of a beating at the hands of Mosely, then a year later fought a bum in Aguascaliente MX. I did not see it but i read that Tony did not look very good despite a UD victory. Manny fights him For a vacant WBC belt @ a catch weight.
5.After a ko loss to bhop, DLH took a 20 month lay off olny to come back and fight MAyorga. While Oscar put on a great performance please note that the fight was @ 154 lbs. (Last fight @ 147 was against Arturo gatti in 01'). Then Floyd Beat him, Oscar was looking his age @ the time, not taking anything away from floyd. Next was Stevie Forbes, Now oscar won the fight but he looked terrible!!! Forbes Landed punches that had oscars face red. ROACH see's Oscar on A DOWNWARS SPIRAL and the manny fight is made @ 147, A weight he did not belong @.
6.Mosley was coming off an embarassing UD loss @ the hands of MAYWEATHER, Then he fought Mora and not only looked terrible but the fight was a draw!!!! Manny jumps on him !!!
Say what u want breh, but facts are facts, Manny is a great human being!!!!! I love what he does outside of the ring! But he is also a product of great promotion and amazing management, who so happens to be marketed to what i believe is the most prideful people in the world.... PHILIPINO'S!!!!
2.Impressive win: A fighter ko''ing his opponent, One sided UD, Or a VERY competetive match where being the underdog, he wins.
3. Cotto was not only coming off a brutal ass whoopin from margarito; then went on to fight michael jennings (who?) but prior to the manny fight clotty beat him. Some fans gave it to cotto for showing heart while fighting 8 rounds with a huge gash over his left eye. (downward spiral) Manny fights him now.
4.Margarito Was coming of a beating at the hands of Mosely, then a year later fought a bum in Aguascaliente MX. I did not see it but i read that Tony did not look very good despite a UD victory. Manny fights him For a vacant WBC belt @ a catch weight.
5.After a ko loss to bhop, DLH took a 20 month lay off olny to come back and fight MAyorga. While Oscar put on a great performance please note that the fight was @ 154 lbs. (Last fight @ 147 was against Arturo gatti in 01'). Then Floyd Beat him, Oscar was looking his age @ the time, not taking anything away from floyd. Next was Stevie Forbes, Now oscar won the fight but he looked terrible!!! Forbes Landed punches that had oscars face red. ROACH see's Oscar on A DOWNWARS SPIRAL and the manny fight is made @ 147, A weight he did not belong @.
6.Mosley was coming off an embarassing UD loss @ the hands of MAYWEATHER, Then he fought Mora and not only looked terrible but the fight was a draw!!!! Manny jumps on him !!!
Say what u want breh, but facts are facts, Manny is a great human being!!!!! I love what he does outside of the ring! But he is also a product of great promotion and amazing management, who so happens to be marketed to what i believe is the most prideful people in the world.... PHILIPINO'S!!!!
You sure?
And a lot of the people Floyd fought were not coming off impressive wins. What exactly is your point?
Cotto was not coming off a brutal ass whoopin from Margarito. He had two fights AFTER that fight and they were BEFORE he fought Manny. He won one of those fights via split and one via KO. You just said a fighter KO'ing his opponent is grounds for an impressive win, so why are you trying to take Cotto's win away? LMAO! See how much of a fraud you are?
Margarito's fight after his loss to Mosley happened over a year later. Moreover, the guy he foght was a guy who was a contender for the WBC international mw title and, up to that point, only had two losses. How was he a bum? You didn't see the fight? Tony didn't look good despite coming off a UD? He knocked Garcia down and the scorecard was 99-90, 99-89 and 100-88. Under your criteria, that qualifies for an impressive win via UD. You stay failing, shitstain1.
After his loss to BHOP he came back and had a TKO victory over Mayorga who was coming off his win for a vacant belt. Everything else is either not important, something you made up or lies. LMAO@"Forbes Landed punches that had oscars face red" what color was his face supposed to turn? Green? Yellow? Oscar looked terrible? Perhaps, but according to you an "IMPRESSIVE WIN" can be one-sided UD. Again, let us go to the official scorecards and see what we have: 119-109, 119-109, 120-108. That is one-sided. STFU.
Didn't you see where I said Mosley was coming off a draw? Why are you mentioning him?
Now lets look at some of Floyds fights from his last ten. Zab coming off a loss. Bruseles coming off a fight that was stopped due to accidental headbutt (so this doesn't fit your criteria for an impressive win.), Mitchell coming off a TD win after his fight was stopped in the 5th (doesn't fit your criteria for an impressive win) and Corley who was coming off a loss to Zab.
So, based on your own defintions of what is an impressive win (A fighter ko''ing his opponent, One sided UD, Or a VERY competetive match where being the underdog, he wins) out of their last ten fights, Manny has MORE than Floyd!!
LMFAO!!!
Don't start calling me "breh" and trying to be cool now you pathetic grub. You seem like the type to send $999 plus S&H to Floyd so he can send you his dirty draws so you can jack off to. Nasty ass nigga, get the fuck out of here. Everything you say is suspect, shitstain1.
And a lot of the people Floyd fought were not coming off impressive wins. What exactly is your point?
Cotto was not coming off a brutal ass whoopin from Margarito. He had two fights AFTER that fight and they were BEFORE he fought Manny. He won one of those fights via split and one via KO. You just said a fighter KO'ing his opponent is grounds for an impressive win, so why are you trying to take Cotto's win away? LMAO! See how much of a fraud you are?
Margarito's fight after his loss to Mosley happened over a year later. Moreover, the guy he foght was a guy who was a contender for the WBC international mw title and, up to that point, only had two losses. How was he a bum? You didn't see the fight? Tony didn't look good despite coming off a UD? He knocked Garcia down and the scorecard was 99-90, 99-89 and 100-88. Under your criteria, that qualifies for an impressive win via UD. You stay failing, shitstain1.
After his loss to BHOP he came back and had a TKO victory over Mayorga who was coming off his win for a vacant belt. Everything else is either not important, something you made up or lies. LMAO@"Forbes Landed punches that had oscars face red" what color was his face supposed to turn? Green? Yellow? Oscar looked terrible? Perhaps, but according to you an "IMPRESSIVE WIN" can be one-sided UD. Again, let us go to the official scorecards and see what we have: 119-109, 119-109, 120-108. That is one-sided. STFU.
Didn't you see where I said Mosley was coming off a draw? Why are you mentioning him?
Now lets look at some of Floyds fights from his last ten. Zab coming off a loss. Bruseles coming off a fight that was stopped due to accidental headbutt (so this doesn't fit your criteria for an impressive win.), Mitchell coming off a TD win after his fight was stopped in the 5th (doesn't fit your criteria for an impressive win) and Corley who was coming off a loss to Zab.
So, based on your own defintions of what is an impressive win (A fighter ko''ing his opponent, One sided UD, Or a VERY competetive match where being the underdog, he wins) out of their last ten fights, Manny has MORE than Floyd!!
LMFAO!!!
Don't start calling me "breh" and trying to be cool now you pathetic grub. You seem like the type to send $999 plus S&H to Floyd so he can send you his dirty draws so you can jack off to. Nasty ass nigga, get the fuck out of here. Everything you say is suspect, shitstain1.
Roger Mayweather: Ortiz is better than Pacquiao
Roger Mayweather, the uncle and trainer of boxing great Floyd Mayweather Jr., is quite pleased with Floyd’s choice of WBC welterweight champion Victor Ortiz (29-2-2, 22 KO’s) to fight on September 17th. Roger sees Ortiz as a very good fighter, even better than Manny Pacquiao.
In an interview at examiner.com, Roger said “I wouldn’t compare him [Ortiz] to Pacquiao. He’s better than Pacquiao; I know he is. Pacquiao aint going to fight [Mayweather] anyways. He wouldn’t even take a test; What does that tell you?”
I don’t know that Ortiz is a better fighter than Pacquiao but I do think he does somethings better than Pacquiao. I like Ortiz’s inside fighting skills much better than Pacquiao. Ortiz is very tough on the inside and can generate a lot of power at close range with both hands. Pacquiao is more of mid-range power puncher. He can’t get a lot of leverage in close on his shots the way that Ortiz does.
I also like Ortiz’s stamina right now. He’s looking stronger than Pacquiao in the later rounds. Ortiz’s work rate didn’t diminish one bit in the later rounds of his recent win over Andre Berto last April. He also didn’t lose any power on his shots. Ortiz was throwing with pretty much about the same kind of power in the 11th as he was in the 1st. In contrast, Pacquiao looked exhausted in the last four rounds of his fights against Joshua Clottey, Antonio Margarito and Shane Mosley.
I do like the way that Mayweather chose Ortiz. This pick is a lot better than the guys that Pacquiao has been facing in the past three years. Ortiz is at the very top of his game and isn’t someone on the slide or coming off a loss. He’s not just a fighter with a name who once was good. Ortiz is a hot fighter right now and is only going to get better. You have to give Mayweather a lot of credit for having the courage to take this fight.
Roger Mayweather, the uncle and trainer of boxing great Floyd Mayweather Jr., is quite pleased with Floyd’s choice of WBC welterweight champion Victor Ortiz (29-2-2, 22 KO’s) to fight on September 17th. Roger sees Ortiz as a very good fighter, even better than Manny Pacquiao.
In an interview at examiner.com, Roger said “I wouldn’t compare him [Ortiz] to Pacquiao. He’s better than Pacquiao; I know he is. Pacquiao aint going to fight [Mayweather] anyways. He wouldn’t even take a test; What does that tell you?”
I don’t know that Ortiz is a better fighter than Pacquiao but I do think he does somethings better than Pacquiao. I like Ortiz’s inside fighting skills much better than Pacquiao. Ortiz is very tough on the inside and can generate a lot of power at close range with both hands. Pacquiao is more of mid-range power puncher. He can’t get a lot of leverage in close on his shots the way that Ortiz does.
I also like Ortiz’s stamina right now. He’s looking stronger than Pacquiao in the later rounds. Ortiz’s work rate didn’t diminish one bit in the later rounds of his recent win over Andre Berto last April. He also didn’t lose any power on his shots. Ortiz was throwing with pretty much about the same kind of power in the 11th as he was in the 1st. In contrast, Pacquiao looked exhausted in the last four rounds of his fights against Joshua Clottey, Antonio Margarito and Shane Mosley.
I do like the way that Mayweather chose Ortiz. This pick is a lot better than the guys that Pacquiao has been facing in the past three years. Ortiz is at the very top of his game and isn’t someone on the slide or coming off a loss. He’s not just a fighter with a name who once was good. Ortiz is a hot fighter right now and is only going to get better. You have to give Mayweather a lot of credit for having the courage to take this fight.