Top Rank & Golden Boy agree to all terms - the fight is in floyds hands

[naner12]

he may not have ducked Tsyzu but he most certainly has taken the "easier road" a number of times, that much is certain.

But I don't even care about that at this point. All I want is floyd to fight pac that's it. it's hurting boxing until it happens

I'm not arguing that. I agree that Floyd has taken the money road over the competition road but sometimes the money road is the competition road. All I'm saying is people like to throw out names during the time when Floyd was in the division like that fight was realistic. At least stick to fighters he's known to have taken other fights instead of clearly facing.

.. and all I want is Floyd to fight Pac myself and I'm still fairly certain it'll happen. I give a fuck about the politics of it all but I do know there's too much money on the table to walk away from.

 

[JReezelle]

everyone one who loses is damaged goods they should never fight again :eyecross:

a couple of fools on here use that logic lol...again lol at anybody thinkin after fighting mayweather they become damaged goods.

 

[Rumpelstiltskin]

Mayweather's Die Hard Fans ITT

1) If you lose you are shot out.
2) If you are undefeated you are the best.
3) If you refuse to fight someone it is not ducking.
4) If you choose to fight someone other than the best, you aren't ducking the best you are just going down a different path.
5) If you don't agree with me you don't know boxing.
6) He didn't duck Spadafora @130 either. Wait, I don't even know who that is since I just I started watching boxing 2 years ago.

He da best mayne.

Think I am just going to stick to actual boxing forums till this dies off...
It's giving me high blood pressure.

 

[REdRUM]

Plus he has to beat up Stone-Hands better then old man Mosley already did.

Why?

Did you say Floyd had to beat Marquez worse than Manny did, even though he made Marquez move up 2 weight classes and didn't keep up his end of the deal? Or does that only pertain to Manny, and not your loverboy, Floyd?

 

[naner12]

People were asking for him to fight Kostya before the injuries. He didn't want to move up and unify. He was happy fighting Phillip N'dou and the likes.

Kostya murdered Mitchell. THEN Floyd fought Mitchell after that.

After Hatton beat Kostya, Floyd refused to fight Hatton because he said it would be a wrestling match. He waits 5 years plus makes Hatton move up again after seeing he wasn't any good at 147 and accepts the fight.

The guy is a riddle and has been doing little shady things like this his entire career. He's a little jive talker.

Never once has he had the "you want some, come get some" attitude.
Which makes a true peoples champion.

I'm not saying I don't think Floyd has ducked people .. I'm saying Tsyzu ain't one of them. Floyd was still at LW when he fought Ndou not sure why that's even brought up in this argument. Sure people were calling for the fight but I'm sure Tsyzu was chomping at the bit to come back from injuries to fight Floyd which is why the Mitchell fight was made, a guy who he had murdered before..

Then he got mugged by Hatton. Tsyzu went 1-1 while Floyd was at 140 and retired. There's no ducking here.

 

[naner12]

6) He didn't duck Spadafora @130 either. Wait, I don't even know who that is since I just I started watching boxing 2 years ago.

I'd be surprised if Spadafora fought more than 3 fights at 130 considering he spent a large portion of his career that mattered at LW. So how did Floyd duck him in a division that Spadafora didn't even fight in? The only time Floyd would've had a chance to fight Paul would've been in the small time where they both were at LW where Floyd was busy fighting JLC (what a scrub!)

To this day I've never seen so much fuss made over a sparring session.

 

[bigface]

JReezelle and Rumpelstiltskin. Johnny Truelove put up and good story in the boxing thread. Andre Berto: Destined to Follow the Fallen Fernando Vargas. It explains what I'm talking about when I say a fighter is damaged goods. It's not about losing a fight folks, it's the way they lose and the beating that the fighter takes in the fight. Cotto vs Stone-Hands, Stone-Hands vs Mosley, Hatton vs Mayweather, B-Hop vs Pavlik, Tito and Taylor, Tito vs Vargas and David Reid. Now go watch those fights and tell me that those fighters are not damaged goods after the beating they take. No one punch KO's those fights are 10-12rds beatings. That the difference folks. Beatings that change the fighters forever = damaged goods.

 

[bigface]

Spadafora was too busy fighting and shooting his girlfriend anyway to fight Mayweather. LOL..

 

[2-0-Sixx]

JReezelle and Rumpelstiltskin. Johnny Truelove put up and good story in the boxing thread. Andre Berto: Destined to Follow the Fallen Fernando Vargas. It explains what I'm talking about when I say a fighter is damaged goods. It's not about losing a fight folks, it's the way they lose and the beating that the fighter takes in the fight. Cotto vs Stone-Hands, Stone-Hands vs Mosley, Hatton vs Mayweather, B-Hop vs Pavlik, Tito and Taylor, Tito vs Vargas and David Reid. Now go watch those fights and tell me that those fighters are not damaged goods after the beating they take. No one punch KO's those fights are 10-12rds beatings. That the difference folks. Beatings that change the fighters forever = damaged goods.

we (naner, you & myself) have been over this. Not all fighters will be ruined because of a bad loss, of course some guys will be. There is no evidence as of right now that margarito is damaged goods. maybe he is maybe he isn't it's yet to be seen.

As for Fernando...Was Vargas ruined by Tito? Or did he just lose to guys that were better than him after that fight (oscar & mosley)? Vargas had a lot of wars early in his life, I don't think it was because of one single fight...

 

[bigface]

Based on how Stone-Hands looked in his last fight. He's damaged goods and gun shy. Mosley beat that tuff guy crap out of him. When have you seen Stone-Hands not do work on the inside and elect to fight from the outside? He went to that dark place in the Mosley fight and now he feeling the pain. No more super chin for him. Manny is going to put the nail in coffin like the Golden Boy did to Vargas.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Vargas vs Oscar was a hell of a fight man and Vargas was giving Oscar all he can handle, don't forget!

 

[bigface]

Vargas was on that juice too. That was a great fight because they hated each other. That was Oscar's career best win too me.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

yeah, I agree. But if he put up such a great fight AND was on juice I don't see him as a ruined a fighter. He just got out-classed and maybe ran out of gas a bit too.

 

[bigface]

To me he was damaged because he just couldn't take punches like he could before the Tito fight. I just think the hate for Oscar made him look good in that fight and the juice helped.

 

[Rumpelstiltskin]

Spadafora shot his girlfriend way after Floyd vs Spadafora was trying to be made. YEARS after.

I wasn't saying anything about the sparring session. Floyd didnt want to move up to 135. Paul said he would move down to 130 again to fight Floyd, he was willing to cut. Floyd took lesser money and fought no namers. You had an undefeated white fighter and an undefeated black fighter. This was a huge attraction. It didn't happen. Being a huge fan of Spadafora at the time I was following this closely, their side kept trying to initiate it. Floyd didn't want a part of it.

To speak on a more general term. When you are one of the best out there (Floyd) and you aren't fighting the best, you are ducking them. I dont care if its indirect or not. When you choose to fight lesser opponents, you are ducking better ones.

Who knows where this whole Manny thing is now. Dont you find it completely ridiculous? Who else in boxing pulls shit like this? Steroids, vacation, what the hell...it's pretty easy to see.

He has been doing this his entire career, and now even his fans make excuses for the guy.

 

[naner12]

I'm not saying he hasn't ducked again. If you're reasoning for ducking is because guys want the fights, and some people are asking for it then every top boxer has ducked several fighters over their careers. Pacquiao's been called out by everyone that's won a fight anywhere close to his weight division and it's impossible for him to fight them all and he'd probably be skipping over some better competition in the process. It's not ducking it's just the way it is.

.. and for the record Spadafora was never really anything special. His only fight I could actually rewatch ended a draw (even though I thought he won). He struggled pretty good against Sosa and looked fairly average against Manfredy, two guys that Mayweather easily beat. The sparring session is the only reason anyone even brings up Spadafora's name as someone Mayweather ducked.

 

[JReezelle]

bigface by your logic would you consider pacquiao damaged goods?

 

[bigface]

Pac-Man really hasn't taken a bad beating yet. He is very easy to hit, but his quick feet and work-rate makes up for that flaw. Cotto was able to hit him pretty easily. Pac-Man is in his prime to me. I do believe that Mayweather is going to surprise a lot of people when he fights Pac-Man next year. I think Mayweather is going to knock Manny out late in the fight. Mayweather might even hit the canvas early in the fight too.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

^^it's all a bunch of fantasy mayweather aint never going to fight pacquiao.

 

[bigface]

2-0-Sixx he has to fight Manny period point blank. If he doesn't I have no problem calling him a bitch ass ducker..