The System's War Againgst Tupac
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This doesn't even begin to address the questions I've asked.
So why did you mention it? In hopes of doing a type of compare and contrast scenario?
This isn't a matter of being right, on this side of the argument, etc. I'm simply trying to gain some insight as to why you think "the government" killed Tupac. Again, you're implying that correct choices will lead to a better life for some, yet you're also saying the choices will not yield the desired results. Do you care to elaborate or clarify your statements?
For what? Is that a rhetorical question?
Not one person has identified who "the government" is. You claim "the government" killed Tupac. Did the CIA have a hand in it? Did the FBI and some black ops squad do it? Did the executive branch order the hit? Who exactly is "the government?" The president?
Again, all I would have to do is look at the hundreds of thousands of black males in prison and consider the fact that maybe they had no choice at all. You are making a HUGE leap when you make the claim that ones decision making was/is the sole contributing factor in our life. In fact, if we go with your train of thought, you've completely exonerated the government from any wrong doing whatsoever!
And it completely goes against what you've previously typed.
If the stars align? And what if the stars don't align? Cuzzo, are you reading what you're replying to?
Please explain. What exactly are you trying to convey with this piece?
See above.
So why did you mention it? In hopes of doing a type of compare and contrast scenario?
This isn't a matter of being right, on this side of the argument, etc. I'm simply trying to gain some insight as to why you think "the government" killed Tupac. Again, you're implying that correct choices will lead to a better life for some, yet you're also saying the choices will not yield the desired results. Do you care to elaborate or clarify your statements?
For what? Is that a rhetorical question?
Not one person has identified who "the government" is. You claim "the government" killed Tupac. Did the CIA have a hand in it? Did the FBI and some black ops squad do it? Did the executive branch order the hit? Who exactly is "the government?" The president?
Again, all I would have to do is look at the hundreds of thousands of black males in prison and consider the fact that maybe they had no choice at all. You are making a HUGE leap when you make the claim that ones decision making was/is the sole contributing factor in our life. In fact, if we go with your train of thought, you've completely exonerated the government from any wrong doing whatsoever!
And it completely goes against what you've previously typed.
If the stars align? And what if the stars don't align? Cuzzo, are you reading what you're replying to?
Please explain. What exactly are you trying to convey with this piece?
See above.
You're still dancing around the questions and providing answers that don't really explain much. I'll ask the questions again, bold and underline them so you know they aren't rhetorical, and ask that you answer them as they are derived from your previous statements.
The above doesn't even begin to answer the following:
There have been many success stories yet people in urban areas have limited social mobility. Why is this so? Well, if we go with your original claims it is due to choice, yet what are you using to validate your claim that this is a matter of choice? If you aren't getting the same education as others, jobs are being outsourced to other countries and you've been economically and socially deprived, with little to no representation, what exactly can you do?
Every person in this country does NOT have a choice. There are people here who have absolutely no hope. You seem to be one of the people who think that because we are in America, the fabled land of opportunity, that social mobility and achieving success is within the grasp if you simply do hard work and "the stars align." Wrong, that is NOT the reality for many people in this country, never was and never will be. You can't say or imply everyone in this country has a guranteed chance to make it and that everyone in another country has no chance to make it. I can show you many instances where people in this country have absolutely no hope, will starve, will remain homeless, will remain in poverty, etc. Can you show me any evidence that shows everyone in this country has the chance to make it? Any study? Any book? Any website? Anything?
No, I didn't catch your sarcasm, and what have I said that would even force you to use sarcasm? To cap it all off, you use terms like "for whatever reason" to obviously avoid what you're being asked about.
What is this for? I tell you "Yet you didn't take it upon yourself to set the situation straight." and ask "Why is that?" and you answer with "For what. I agree."?
So now we went from Tupac being murdered by "the government" to being murdered by "cowboy ass FBI or CIA agents", who you also refer to as "professionals".
You guess?
Are you reading what you're replying to?
I'm not going to even address this one because I already know what is going to happen.
The above doesn't even begin to answer the following:
There have been many success stories yet people in urban areas have limited social mobility. Why is this so? Well, if we go with your original claims it is due to choice, yet what are you using to validate your claim that this is a matter of choice? If you aren't getting the same education as others, jobs are being outsourced to other countries and you've been economically and socially deprived, with little to no representation, what exactly can you do?
Every person in this country does NOT have a choice. There are people here who have absolutely no hope. You seem to be one of the people who think that because we are in America, the fabled land of opportunity, that social mobility and achieving success is within the grasp if you simply do hard work and "the stars align." Wrong, that is NOT the reality for many people in this country, never was and never will be. You can't say or imply everyone in this country has a guranteed chance to make it and that everyone in another country has no chance to make it. I can show you many instances where people in this country have absolutely no hope, will starve, will remain homeless, will remain in poverty, etc. Can you show me any evidence that shows everyone in this country has the chance to make it? Any study? Any book? Any website? Anything?
No, I didn't catch your sarcasm, and what have I said that would even force you to use sarcasm? To cap it all off, you use terms like "for whatever reason" to obviously avoid what you're being asked about.
What is this for? I tell you "Yet you didn't take it upon yourself to set the situation straight." and ask "Why is that?" and you answer with "For what. I agree."?
So now we went from Tupac being murdered by "the government" to being murdered by "cowboy ass FBI or CIA agents", who you also refer to as "professionals".
You guess?
Are you reading what you're replying to?
I'm not going to even address this one because I already know what is going to happen.
I'm not big on excuses or blaming others. The road may be harder to navigate, but it can be navigated. Unfortunately you have the blind leading the blind in some instances. Therfore, some people are hopeless, I agree with that to an extent. Once you know better though, and don't do better, that is on the individual.
Once again, the road may be harder to navigate, but it can be navigated.
I believe America offers more opportunity than most other countries, yes.
Public education is available to all. The resources may be allocated differently, but educating one's self provides a "chance." I don't need a study, book, or a website to come to this conclusion.
Avoid what I am being asked?
Are they not affiliated with the government?
Yes.
Cool.
Once again, the road may be harder to navigate, but it can be navigated.
I believe America offers more opportunity than most other countries, yes.
Public education is available to all. The resources may be allocated differently, but educating one's self provides a "chance." I don't need a study, book, or a website to come to this conclusion.
Avoid what I am being asked?
Are they not affiliated with the government?
Yes.
Cool.
You're once again providing answers that are all over the place. So I'll go ahead and translate it for the readers.
Translation: "Aside from my own beliefs and limited experience, I'm not using anything to validate my claims. Moreover, I have no answer to your question pertaining to what a person can do if resources, jobs, etc are limited."
Translation: "I am unable to provide a cogent argument and have contradicted myself or recanted what I've openly stated and/or implied."
Translation: "I'm not saying anything new and know full well America offering more oppurtunity than most other countries has little to do with the fact many here have no opportunities."
Translation: "I will disregard the fact that there are cultural and economic differences that impede education and won't read the link given to me. Moreover, I won't provide any evidence whatsoever to support the claims I'm making."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/04/AR2008090403398.html
Translation: "I enjoy bottle spinning and refuse to address questions that shed light on my behavior."
Translation: "Since I can't use the term "government", I'll go ahead and say the CIA and FBI without giving any insight as to what specific branch of the CIA or FBI was involved. I'll simply make a blanket statement, throw it against the wall, and it will stick."
Translation: "No. I'm lying and I'm a selective reader."
Translation: "What I previously said made no sense, so H chalked it up and didn't want to waste his time."
Translation: "Aside from my own beliefs and limited experience, I'm not using anything to validate my claims. Moreover, I have no answer to your question pertaining to what a person can do if resources, jobs, etc are limited."
Translation: "I am unable to provide a cogent argument and have contradicted myself or recanted what I've openly stated and/or implied."
Translation: "I'm not saying anything new and know full well America offering more oppurtunity than most other countries has little to do with the fact many here have no opportunities."
Translation: "I will disregard the fact that there are cultural and economic differences that impede education and won't read the link given to me. Moreover, I won't provide any evidence whatsoever to support the claims I'm making."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/04/AR2008090403398.html
Translation: "I enjoy bottle spinning and refuse to address questions that shed light on my behavior."
Translation: "Since I can't use the term "government", I'll go ahead and say the CIA and FBI without giving any insight as to what specific branch of the CIA or FBI was involved. I'll simply make a blanket statement, throw it against the wall, and it will stick."
Translation: "No. I'm lying and I'm a selective reader."
Translation: "What I previously said made no sense, so H chalked it up and didn't want to waste his time."
i want to read this book just out of curiosity. i read an interesting article by this writer years ago called the Political Targeting of Tupac Shakur.
I tend to think the government didn't kill Tupac. I don't think Tupac was a real threat to the goverment at the time of his death. However he may have evolved into a threat to the government if he lived longer.
I think Tupac spoke like a revolutionary. But Tupac's actions weren't consistent with that of a true revolutionary. Fidel Castro to me is a true revolutionary.
I also don't think crips killed Tupac. I think Orlando Anderson was a pawn in a much more elaborate plan to assassinate Tupac.
I think the person who set up his assassination was the person with the most to gain through his death.
I tend to think the government didn't kill Tupac. I don't think Tupac was a real threat to the goverment at the time of his death. However he may have evolved into a threat to the government if he lived longer.
I think Tupac spoke like a revolutionary. But Tupac's actions weren't consistent with that of a true revolutionary. Fidel Castro to me is a true revolutionary.
I also don't think crips killed Tupac. I think Orlando Anderson was a pawn in a much more elaborate plan to assassinate Tupac.
I think the person who set up his assassination was the person with the most to gain through his death.
This has nothing to do with mind reading 101, playing games or getting over myself. This has nothing to do with knowing everything or having all the answers. You're simply being asked questions that stem from what you're typing and you can't answer them. It is ok to hold/have different views, but when you can't answer questions based on those views there is a problem.
Yes, I am in the communities sharing knowledge and busy with work which is why I don't spend a lot of time here. Do I need to explain anything else to you before you take the stage again for your jester routine?
Yes, I am in the communities sharing knowledge and busy with work which is why I don't spend a lot of time here. Do I need to explain anything else to you before you take the stage again for your jester routine?
It is not that I can't answer your questions, it is that I thought they were ridiculous. My original comments were taken way out of context. Then you go into ridicule mode as usual. Nobody knows what happened to Tupac except those involved. But I guess you know, right?
What is the point? So you can return with some off the wall questions unrelated to the original topic?
Once again, you are the almighty one.LOL!
But it is good you are involved in the community.
This statement is the reason why I feel he was killed. Nothing more nothing less. Not some big conspiracy, but more like a few agents that took it upon themselves to clean house so to speak. If I am wrong, I really don't care. Positions of power allow some to get away with murder, literally. That is something I do know.
What is the point? So you can return with some off the wall questions unrelated to the original topic?
Once again, you are the almighty one.LOL!
But it is good you are involved in the community.
This statement is the reason why I feel he was killed. Nothing more nothing less. Not some big conspiracy, but more like a few agents that took it upon themselves to clean house so to speak. If I am wrong, I really don't care. Positions of power allow some to get away with murder, literally. That is something I do know.
They were based on your statements. You're making claims about social mobility yet you can't provide one shred of evidence to support your claims. Now you want to talk about what is ridiculous?
No they weren't.
No, I didn't go into "ridicule mode" and don't know where in the hell you get the "usual" stuff from.
You guess I know? Aren't YOU the one presenting the theory that "the government" killed Tupac?
Nothing I'm asking you is unrelated to the topic.
Indeed.
See above.
Nah ah. :shakes head and walks away:
No they weren't.
No, I didn't go into "ridicule mode" and don't know where in the hell you get the "usual" stuff from.
You guess I know? Aren't YOU the one presenting the theory that "the government" killed Tupac?
Nothing I'm asking you is unrelated to the topic.
Indeed.
See above.
Nah ah. :shakes head and walks away:
I've asked you nothing that wasn't based on something you've already said. This is not a matter of what I "say so" but a matter of fact. You can start on page two if you want proof.
We obviously can't ask you because you dance around questions. Even LordByron pointed this out to you.
This was taken from page three:
Here are other examples where I clearly asked you to explain and/or clarify what you've said.
No ridicule mode, you were being asked questions based on your statements, views, opinions, theory, etc and you simply couldn't provide any logical answer rooted in reality or fact to support your claim (especially your claims pertaining to social mobility.)
Yet you're asking "I guess you know right?"
I'm not the one saying "X" killed Tupac. You're the one saying Tupac got splattered by "the government" aka "cowboy ass FBI or CIA agents". You're the one claiming Tupac was some "revolutionary" and potential black leader. I'm simply telling you to look at the history of leadership and power in the black community before you look at "the government."
Yes, do so.
Laughter...pretty good defense mechanism there.
I'm back. Don't trip.
We obviously can't ask you because you dance around questions. Even LordByron pointed this out to you.
This was taken from page three:
Here are other examples where I clearly asked you to explain and/or clarify what you've said.
No ridicule mode, you were being asked questions based on your statements, views, opinions, theory, etc and you simply couldn't provide any logical answer rooted in reality or fact to support your claim (especially your claims pertaining to social mobility.)
Yet you're asking "I guess you know right?"
I'm not the one saying "X" killed Tupac. You're the one saying Tupac got splattered by "the government" aka "cowboy ass FBI or CIA agents". You're the one claiming Tupac was some "revolutionary" and potential black leader. I'm simply telling you to look at the history of leadership and power in the black community before you look at "the government."
Yes, do so.
Laughter...pretty good defense mechanism there.
I'm back. Don't trip.
Ridiculous question #1
Ridiculous question #2
Ridiculous question #3
Ridiculous question #4
Ridiculous question #5
You see, these questions are ridiculous to me as I have experienced and seen plenty in my lifetime, contrary to what you think. People, as a matter of choice, contribute to the negativity that plaugue their communities. These people do have a choice to go to school. These people do have a choice whether or not they sell or do drugs. Obviously anyone can fall victim to circumstances, but in the end you can't live your life on what ifs. Economically challenged areas do lack resources, but that is no excuse to continue a cycle of hopelessness. People in this country remain hopeless by their own actions. The government may contribute and allow it, but in the end is up to the individual to change it. Tupac pointed out the government's flaws and what he felt they did to his people. I feel someone affiliated with a government agency took it upon themselves to silence a potential problem. End of story.
Ridiculous question #2
Ridiculous question #3
Ridiculous question #4
Ridiculous question #5
You see, these questions are ridiculous to me as I have experienced and seen plenty in my lifetime, contrary to what you think. People, as a matter of choice, contribute to the negativity that plaugue their communities. These people do have a choice to go to school. These people do have a choice whether or not they sell or do drugs. Obviously anyone can fall victim to circumstances, but in the end you can't live your life on what ifs. Economically challenged areas do lack resources, but that is no excuse to continue a cycle of hopelessness. People in this country remain hopeless by their own actions. The government may contribute and allow it, but in the end is up to the individual to change it. Tupac pointed out the government's flaws and what he felt they did to his people. I feel someone affiliated with a government agency took it upon themselves to silence a potential problem. End of story.
1.
That isn't ridiculous. It was in response to the following:
You're making a claim and I'm asking you to prove your claim or provide insight as to how such a thing is true.
2. That isn't ridiculous. It was in response to the following:
[bold emphasis mine]
You claim that you feel it is wrong when they look down on people and stereotype, yet when I ask you if you talk to the people who do this you answered no and later said "for what." Your answers are ridiculous. You talk all this stuff about seeing this, injustice that, feeling people are stereotyped, etc, yet when it came time to speak up you failed.
3. Once again that isn't ridiculous and was in response to the following:
See, if we were to apply your "logic" churches, homeless shelters, etc would also be "threatening" as they look to help people that are being held down. See, what you do is make blanket statements and hasty generalizations, then when you are forced to think, you point the finger at the other person.
4. Once again that isn't ridiculous and was in response to the following:
Once again, you're making a claim and being asked if the claim holds true in areas of the country that are economically depressed. You were then asked if choice always yields the desired outcome and do you know what you said? You provided answers that actually contradict what you initially said.
5. Once again that isn't ridiculous and was in response to the following:
You're making the claim that drugs are/were fed into the black communities by "the government", claim the people are being held down, yet you previously said it was all a matter of choice. You're contradicting yourself and add more fire to the fuel by saying "Modern day slavery baby!"
Your ANSWERS are ridiculous. They aren't well formulated and show you know absolutely nothing about the problems infecting the black community.
Your answers and inability to answer questions derived from your statements are ridiculous. Take a look at this thread and you'll see I'm not the only one calling you on your BS.
You disregard the fact that there are cultural and economic differences that impede education.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...090403398.html
Huh? According to you it is "Modern day slavery baby!"
No resources, infrastructure, etc = you better be playing the lotto, praying to god or ready to hit up a church.
How can you break the cycle when there are cultural, political, religious and economical factors prohibiting growth? Wait...don't answer that. You've been asked similar questions before and danced around them.
This is a contradiction not a paradox or oxymoron.
And he also pointed out his flaws and how he did his people...or did he...?
You aren't making any sense. End of story.
You're making a claim and I'm asking you to prove your claim or provide insight as to how such a thing is true.
2. That isn't ridiculous. It was in response to the following:
[bold emphasis mine]
You claim that you feel it is wrong when they look down on people and stereotype, yet when I ask you if you talk to the people who do this you answered no and later said "for what." Your answers are ridiculous. You talk all this stuff about seeing this, injustice that, feeling people are stereotyped, etc, yet when it came time to speak up you failed.
3. Once again that isn't ridiculous and was in response to the following:
See, if we were to apply your "logic" churches, homeless shelters, etc would also be "threatening" as they look to help people that are being held down. See, what you do is make blanket statements and hasty generalizations, then when you are forced to think, you point the finger at the other person.
4. Once again that isn't ridiculous and was in response to the following:
Once again, you're making a claim and being asked if the claim holds true in areas of the country that are economically depressed. You were then asked if choice always yields the desired outcome and do you know what you said? You provided answers that actually contradict what you initially said.
5. Once again that isn't ridiculous and was in response to the following:
You're making the claim that drugs are/were fed into the black communities by "the government", claim the people are being held down, yet you previously said it was all a matter of choice. You're contradicting yourself and add more fire to the fuel by saying "Modern day slavery baby!"
Your ANSWERS are ridiculous. They aren't well formulated and show you know absolutely nothing about the problems infecting the black community.
Your answers and inability to answer questions derived from your statements are ridiculous. Take a look at this thread and you'll see I'm not the only one calling you on your BS.
You disregard the fact that there are cultural and economic differences that impede education.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...090403398.html
Huh? According to you it is "Modern day slavery baby!"
No resources, infrastructure, etc = you better be playing the lotto, praying to god or ready to hit up a church.
How can you break the cycle when there are cultural, political, religious and economical factors prohibiting growth? Wait...don't answer that. You've been asked similar questions before and danced around them.
This is a contradiction not a paradox or oxymoron.
And he also pointed out his flaws and how he did his people...or did he...?
You aren't making any sense. End of story.