The System's War Againgst Tupac
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That's what I was thinking too. A rapper who's about materialism and who displays self-destructive behavior is someone that needs to get taken out, but a man who's head of the NOI and who's gathering millions and making demands gets a pass.
As far as who shot 2pac at Quad Studios, who knows for sure. But it's not like rappers getting robbed is something out of the ordinary. What makes 2pacs situation different is that he didn't just stand there and let them take his jewelry. According to Tupac, he went to grab one of the robbers guns and it went off. According to others he tried to grab his gun and it went off when they grabbed his arm.
Here's somethings to help paint a better picture though.
-King Tut admitted in an interview, Source or XXL, that Puffy gave him a job, despite the fact that he had no music business background at all. In Vibe Magazine, 2pac says that he names the guy who shot him on Makaveli and on the song AGAINST ALL ODDS he raps, "Gun shots to Tut/Now you stuck"
-Jimmy Henchman said in Vibe I think, that the robbery was meant to discipline him.
So Suge put himself in the line of fire just to kill his #1 artist? When Dr. Dre left Deathrow, Suge made sure that Dre walked away with NOTHING, despite selling 3 Mill with The Chronic, selling 5 Mill with Doggystyle, and co-founding Deathrow.
I doubt Tupac would have felt he was in a position to demand anything from Suge.
As far as who shot 2pac at Quad Studios, who knows for sure. But it's not like rappers getting robbed is something out of the ordinary. What makes 2pacs situation different is that he didn't just stand there and let them take his jewelry. According to Tupac, he went to grab one of the robbers guns and it went off. According to others he tried to grab his gun and it went off when they grabbed his arm.
Here's somethings to help paint a better picture though.
-King Tut admitted in an interview, Source or XXL, that Puffy gave him a job, despite the fact that he had no music business background at all. In Vibe Magazine, 2pac says that he names the guy who shot him on Makaveli and on the song AGAINST ALL ODDS he raps, "Gun shots to Tut/Now you stuck"
-Jimmy Henchman said in Vibe I think, that the robbery was meant to discipline him.
So Suge put himself in the line of fire just to kill his #1 artist? When Dr. Dre left Deathrow, Suge made sure that Dre walked away with NOTHING, despite selling 3 Mill with The Chronic, selling 5 Mill with Doggystyle, and co-founding Deathrow.
I doubt Tupac would have felt he was in a position to demand anything from Suge.
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copy n pasted VIBE article in forum
^that's in regards to Jimmy Henchman
King Tut article copy n pasted at SOHH.com
copy n pasted VIBE article in forum
^that's in regards to Jimmy Henchman
King Tut article copy n pasted at SOHH.com
It was not about his lifestyle, although I think you are correct in your assesment of his actions. It was more about the message he was sending and how many people heard that message. Combine that lifestyle with his lax security, if there was any, and you have an easy target that many people wanted to kill. Who did it is the question we are still asking.
If Farrakkan were to be shot and killed, assasinated like Tupac and Biggie imo, who would be the first to be blamed? I would think the federal government but I may be wrong. I do not know much about Farrakkan or his lifestyle but doubt he put himself out there like Tupac. I would think he was/is more calculating when it comes to his public interactions and movements.
If Farrakkan were to be shot and killed, assasinated like Tupac and Biggie imo, who would be the first to be blamed? I would think the federal government but I may be wrong. I do not know much about Farrakkan or his lifestyle but doubt he put himself out there like Tupac. I would think he was/is more calculating when it comes to his public interactions and movements.
How is it ultimately one's choice?
So did you ever speak with these people?
But you think "the government" killed him correct? Aren't you implying that the reason he was killed is because he posed some type of threat and may have been successful in leading a revolt?
You have no idea yet you say "the government" killed Tupac? To answer your question, yes. You can start with the Sony Corp and co-founder Akio Morita.
So what about his lifestyle made him an outlaw? Because he didn't like the way "the government" treats blacks? Because he didn't liek the criminal justice system? What exactly made this man an outlaw?
So in other words it would all boil down to a popularity contest? Gotcha.
Yes, this is true.
How exactly is this threatening? You have homeless shelters and churches doing the same thing every single day of the week.
Most are being held down by their own decisions? Do you have any data to support this claim? Doesn't this contradict what Tupac was saying?
There will be no checks and balances and history is the one who says if either of us are right or wrong, and so far, history is on my side here.
I did speak/type English. If you answered the question, or had insight about the answer, you would see that there has been a pattern when it comes to black leadership, potential change and assassinations.
So to put it "in english", you and others should probably look into black leadership before you look at "the government".
So did you ever speak with these people?
But you think "the government" killed him correct? Aren't you implying that the reason he was killed is because he posed some type of threat and may have been successful in leading a revolt?
You have no idea yet you say "the government" killed Tupac? To answer your question, yes. You can start with the Sony Corp and co-founder Akio Morita.
So what about his lifestyle made him an outlaw? Because he didn't like the way "the government" treats blacks? Because he didn't liek the criminal justice system? What exactly made this man an outlaw?
So in other words it would all boil down to a popularity contest? Gotcha.
Yes, this is true.
How exactly is this threatening? You have homeless shelters and churches doing the same thing every single day of the week.
Most are being held down by their own decisions? Do you have any data to support this claim? Doesn't this contradict what Tupac was saying?
There will be no checks and balances and history is the one who says if either of us are right or wrong, and so far, history is on my side here.
I did speak/type English. If you answered the question, or had insight about the answer, you would see that there has been a pattern when it comes to black leadership, potential change and assassinations.
So to put it "in english", you and others should probably look into black leadership before you look at "the government".
A person in this country has the choice to determine their future. That is not the case in other countries.
For what?
Yes, that is my theory.
Right on.
Anybody that does not conform and agree with the law is an outlaw, in my opinion.
Isn't that what all elections are based upon?
Are millions of people listening to homeless people speak? Do homeless people, in general, have financial backers willing to invest millions of dollars so others can hear them speak/rap?
Why do I need data? Once again, one could go into the streets of Oakland and find this answer or any city for that matter. Some choose education some choose the streets and fast money. Tupac felt the government fed the black communities the drugs. I agree with him. Modern day slavery baby!
That may be the case, but we will never know the truth so we are all just speculating.
For what?
Yes, that is my theory.
Right on.
Anybody that does not conform and agree with the law is an outlaw, in my opinion.
Isn't that what all elections are based upon?
Are millions of people listening to homeless people speak? Do homeless people, in general, have financial backers willing to invest millions of dollars so others can hear them speak/rap?
Why do I need data? Once again, one could go into the streets of Oakland and find this answer or any city for that matter. Some choose education some choose the streets and fast money. Tupac felt the government fed the black communities the drugs. I agree with him. Modern day slavery baby!
That may be the case, but we will never know the truth so we are all just speculating.
Does your claim hold true in areas of the country that are economically depressed? Does "choice" always yiled desired results/outcome?
You had a diffrence of opinion and you knew where the other side was coming from.
So simply not conforming to the law or agreeing with the law makes one an outlaw? Did Tupac disagree with some laws or did he disagree with all of them? Better yet, was Tupacs definition of outlaw the same as yours?
No.
No.
No, and if financial backing is all it takes to thrust someone on the scene, the removal of financial backing is all you need to topple them. No radio. No TV. No big recording budget and lockouts at the big facilities. No duplication/replication houses, no major tours, no spots devoted to mass producing ancillary products, no major retail chains/major distribution, nothing.
But, according to you and others, it is simply easier for "the government" to put a couple of bullets in him.
Because you're talking about an instance of social mobility and making a specific claim.
But you said most are being held down by their own descisions, yet you're also saying you agree that the government fed the black community with drugs. If drugs were/are being pumped into urban areas how are the people in the areas being held down? Because they take the drugs? Because they sell the drugs?
No, this isn't a case of what "may be" the case. All you have to do is study the historical evidence from slave revolts to the present day and you'll see a motif that most people have refused to acknowledge or didn't even know exists.
Am I saying black leaders killed him? I'm saying to look into it. Am I saying there is a pattern when looking at black leadership, potential change and assassinations (both political and physical) absolutely!
You had a diffrence of opinion and you knew where the other side was coming from.
So simply not conforming to the law or agreeing with the law makes one an outlaw? Did Tupac disagree with some laws or did he disagree with all of them? Better yet, was Tupacs definition of outlaw the same as yours?
No.
No.
No, and if financial backing is all it takes to thrust someone on the scene, the removal of financial backing is all you need to topple them. No radio. No TV. No big recording budget and lockouts at the big facilities. No duplication/replication houses, no major tours, no spots devoted to mass producing ancillary products, no major retail chains/major distribution, nothing.
But, according to you and others, it is simply easier for "the government" to put a couple of bullets in him.
Because you're talking about an instance of social mobility and making a specific claim.
But you said most are being held down by their own descisions, yet you're also saying you agree that the government fed the black community with drugs. If drugs were/are being pumped into urban areas how are the people in the areas being held down? Because they take the drugs? Because they sell the drugs?
No, this isn't a case of what "may be" the case. All you have to do is study the historical evidence from slave revolts to the present day and you'll see a motif that most people have refused to acknowledge or didn't even know exists.
Am I saying black leaders killed him? I'm saying to look into it. Am I saying there is a pattern when looking at black leadership, potential change and assassinations (both political and physical) absolutely!
Yes they hold true, imo, all it takes is one success story. The most economically depressed area in this country has nothing on the poverty experienced in third world countries.
Obviously they don't always yield the desired results though.
Yes.
Our definitions probably differ. Regardless, I think he felt the government of this country dictated our society, every facet of it.
I think that much is obvious.
yes, that is correct.
Well if I was doing an actual study or report, then yes I would. But in this instance, all I have to do is look at my life and a few of my folks growing up to easily conclude that our decision making was the sole contributing factor in our life's evolution process, if you may.
Because they made the decision to facilitate/use an illegal substance for economic gain/pleasure. That decision rests solely on an individual, regardless of where it came from.
They are being held down in the form of knowledge and educational resources.
You may be right, but does black leadership look to hold back their people from the American dream, or do they want their piece of the pie too?
Obviously they don't always yield the desired results though.
Yes.
Our definitions probably differ. Regardless, I think he felt the government of this country dictated our society, every facet of it.
I think that much is obvious.
yes, that is correct.
Well if I was doing an actual study or report, then yes I would. But in this instance, all I have to do is look at my life and a few of my folks growing up to easily conclude that our decision making was the sole contributing factor in our life's evolution process, if you may.
Because they made the decision to facilitate/use an illegal substance for economic gain/pleasure. That decision rests solely on an individual, regardless of where it came from.
They are being held down in the form of knowledge and educational resources.
You may be right, but does black leadership look to hold back their people from the American dream, or do they want their piece of the pie too?
All it takes is one success story? There have been many success stories yet people in urban areas have limited social mobility. Why is this so? Well, if we go with your original claims it is due to choice, yet what are you using to validate your claim that this is a matter of choice? If you aren't getting the same education as others, jobs are being outsourced to other countries and you've been economically and socially deprived, with little to no representation, what exactly can you do?
Who said it did? But we're talking about this country, not other countries.
You're starting to contradict yourself.
Yet you didn't take it upon yourself to set the situation straight. Why is that?
Someone obviously dictates every aspect of our society, that is a given. However, if we go with your definition most, or even all, people are outlaws by direct or indirect action. Do you agree with this? I ask because one can easily infer such a thing by reading your definition.
To some it isn't.
Yet no one has identified exactly who "the government" is...
And all I would have to do is look at the hundreds of thousands of black males in prison and consider the fact that maybe they had no choice at all. You are making a HUGE leap when you make the claim that ones decision making was/is the sole contributing factor in our life. In fact, if we go with your train of thought, you've completely exonerated the government from any wrong doing whatsoever!
"The government didn't kill Tupac. His choice to live the life of a thug, outlaw and gangsta rapper is what killed him."
See how that works?
What other options were available? Do you think, if given the choice or other options, that the majority of people in urban communities who sell drugs would sell drugs?
So how do you expect them to make the right choices if they don't have knowledge or educational resources?
That depends on the people in question, and just so you know the leaders I'm talking about aren't Jackson and Sharpton. You ever heard of the Jack and Jill Club?
Who said it did? But we're talking about this country, not other countries.
You're starting to contradict yourself.
Yet you didn't take it upon yourself to set the situation straight. Why is that?
Someone obviously dictates every aspect of our society, that is a given. However, if we go with your definition most, or even all, people are outlaws by direct or indirect action. Do you agree with this? I ask because one can easily infer such a thing by reading your definition.
To some it isn't.
Yet no one has identified exactly who "the government" is...
And all I would have to do is look at the hundreds of thousands of black males in prison and consider the fact that maybe they had no choice at all. You are making a HUGE leap when you make the claim that ones decision making was/is the sole contributing factor in our life. In fact, if we go with your train of thought, you've completely exonerated the government from any wrong doing whatsoever!
"The government didn't kill Tupac. His choice to live the life of a thug, outlaw and gangsta rapper is what killed him."
See how that works?
What other options were available? Do you think, if given the choice or other options, that the majority of people in urban communities who sell drugs would sell drugs?
So how do you expect them to make the right choices if they don't have knowledge or educational resources?
That depends on the people in question, and just so you know the leaders I'm talking about aren't Jackson and Sharpton. You ever heard of the Jack and Jill Club?
The ladder may be a harder one to climb, but one can climb
I am aware of that.
Not contractdicting myself, I know I am presenting a theory, not a fact. I am open to the other sides argument and do not always think I am right. If that is contradicting one's self, then so be it.
For what. I agree.
I guess. It is mainly one's actions, not views that determine their "outlawness" if you may.lol
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Obviously there are thousands of routes available to reach the same destination, but ultimately it is up to the individual. Things out of your control are just that, out of your control. Anyone can fall victim to someone else's plan.
I agree with that also.
They have a choice and other options. I don't know, patience, education, and hard work all pay off if the stars align.
I don't think the majority makes the right decisions, hence, your urban societies/areas.
I haven't. But as we know, our society is based on economic standing. It is the sole purpose of any leaders existence, regardless of what they tell us.
I am aware of that.
Not contractdicting myself, I know I am presenting a theory, not a fact. I am open to the other sides argument and do not always think I am right. If that is contradicting one's self, then so be it.
For what. I agree.
I guess. It is mainly one's actions, not views that determine their "outlawness" if you may.lol
????
Obviously there are thousands of routes available to reach the same destination, but ultimately it is up to the individual. Things out of your control are just that, out of your control. Anyone can fall victim to someone else's plan.
I agree with that also.
They have a choice and other options. I don't know, patience, education, and hard work all pay off if the stars align.
I don't think the majority makes the right decisions, hence, your urban societies/areas.
I haven't. But as we know, our society is based on economic standing. It is the sole purpose of any leaders existence, regardless of what they tell us.