The System's War Againgst Tupac
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I agree, calling him a revolutionary may be a little extreme. But the guy was defintely one of a kind in my book. His views were radical though, imo.
I do not think someone would pull up and shoot him on the strip in Vegas, in traffic, without having planned it out. If it was the crips, Suge would have got it too. I just cn't get over the fact him and Biggie were shot in identical fashion. The same people killed both, imo. The murders are too similiar.
I do not think someone would pull up and shoot him on the strip in Vegas, in traffic, without having planned it out. If it was the crips, Suge would have got it too. I just cn't get over the fact him and Biggie were shot in identical fashion. The same people killed both, imo. The murders are too similiar.
True but why?
Give me some examples of people who feel it would be normal and some who feel as though it isn't.
Radio, this is a pipedream.
And you think he would have been successful?
True, but I'll ask again, who owned the distribution companies and parent labels? Did these people have ties to special interest groups, i.e. CFR, TLC, etc?
How so?
So?
Power is not in the people. Power is in money and the gun. So why do you feel hsi views were threatening to the government?
If you succumb to revolutionary teachings you will be a dead revolutionary. But how do you feel such a rebellion would be supported?
True, but you should take the trip down the rabbit hole.
BTW, I'm asking all of this becaues usually when I read or hear people talk about Tupac, they never really explain why they hold the views they do, so that is why I'm asking so many questions.
Give me some examples of people who feel it would be normal and some who feel as though it isn't.
Radio, this is a pipedream.
And you think he would have been successful?
True, but I'll ask again, who owned the distribution companies and parent labels? Did these people have ties to special interest groups, i.e. CFR, TLC, etc?
How so?
So?
Power is not in the people. Power is in money and the gun. So why do you feel hsi views were threatening to the government?
If you succumb to revolutionary teachings you will be a dead revolutionary. But how do you feel such a rebellion would be supported?
True, but you should take the trip down the rabbit hole.
BTW, I'm asking all of this becaues usually when I read or hear people talk about Tupac, they never really explain why they hold the views they do, so that is why I'm asking so many questions.
History and lack of economic support. An example is the education system in underprivledged areas. But I am aware it is one's choices ultimately.
For example, I am the head coach of a youth football team. At practice Thursday one of the kids had a white bandana(under his helmet) on his head to keep sweat from dripping down his face. I did not have a problem with him using it. The head of the organization did not want bandannas being worn under their helmet. They had a specific type of head band that needed to be worn. I heard them tell the parent of the child it is because they do not want the kids looking like thugs on the field. These same people are the majority in most communities. They definately do not support the lifestyle portrayed in rap music. If anything they stereotype and look down upon these people which I feel is wrong. Supporters of this lifestyle could be found on every street corner in Oakland.
I don't think anyone knows the answer to that.
Honestly, I have no idea. Enlighten me if you do know.
His lifestyle. He was not for the government or the system. He rebelled against it in many ways.
So, his words meant something to many people. If he ran for president or a government office, he would have more votes than the average person, like say you or I.
The people generate that money. His views were threatening because he looked to help the people up that were being held down. Most are being held down by their own decisions, I know. But he was definately about helping his fellow brothers and sisters. Is the government interested in fixing the problem in the minority communities? We both know the answer to that.
Because it is what is right. The system takes advantage of the economically challenged. Although I feel education and putting yourself on an even playing field with the decision makers is needed before one can truly try and create change, many hard working people feel the system keeps taking and taking. This may be in many industries, but the point is people are fed up all over, not just in the black communities. His passion was threatening. All I ask for is transparency throughout the system like many others. Checks and balances across the board. Not that I support violent rebellious behavior, but who am I or you to say it is wrong?
In english please. I am not catching your drift.
For example, I am the head coach of a youth football team. At practice Thursday one of the kids had a white bandana(under his helmet) on his head to keep sweat from dripping down his face. I did not have a problem with him using it. The head of the organization did not want bandannas being worn under their helmet. They had a specific type of head band that needed to be worn. I heard them tell the parent of the child it is because they do not want the kids looking like thugs on the field. These same people are the majority in most communities. They definately do not support the lifestyle portrayed in rap music. If anything they stereotype and look down upon these people which I feel is wrong. Supporters of this lifestyle could be found on every street corner in Oakland.
I don't think anyone knows the answer to that.
Honestly, I have no idea. Enlighten me if you do know.
His lifestyle. He was not for the government or the system. He rebelled against it in many ways.
So, his words meant something to many people. If he ran for president or a government office, he would have more votes than the average person, like say you or I.
The people generate that money. His views were threatening because he looked to help the people up that were being held down. Most are being held down by their own decisions, I know. But he was definately about helping his fellow brothers and sisters. Is the government interested in fixing the problem in the minority communities? We both know the answer to that.
Because it is what is right. The system takes advantage of the economically challenged. Although I feel education and putting yourself on an even playing field with the decision makers is needed before one can truly try and create change, many hard working people feel the system keeps taking and taking. This may be in many industries, but the point is people are fed up all over, not just in the black communities. His passion was threatening. All I ask for is transparency throughout the system like many others. Checks and balances across the board. Not that I support violent rebellious behavior, but who am I or you to say it is wrong?
In english please. I am not catching your drift.
2pac was not leaning towards positivity. He wasn't ending any of the beefs, he was continuing them and starting more.
Before he died he started going after Jay-Z, LL Cool J, Dr. Dre, Da Brat, Xzibit, and others. That doesn't sound like someone who's bringing people together in hip-hop. Even Snoop began siding with Biggie which put a division between 2pac and Tha Dogg Pound. Unlike Snoop, 2pac was beholden to Suge for protection for the all shit he was getting himself into.
Before he died he started going after Jay-Z, LL Cool J, Dr. Dre, Da Brat, Xzibit, and others. That doesn't sound like someone who's bringing people together in hip-hop. Even Snoop began siding with Biggie which put a division between 2pac and Tha Dogg Pound. Unlike Snoop, 2pac was beholden to Suge for protection for the all shit he was getting himself into.
how was he gttin himself into shit when niggas shot him and nearly killed him in NY? Niggas have beef all revolutionaries or people in struggle do, but we don't right them off as negative people. He had beef with people he felt diod him wrong who were "reasonable" for his possible death. Same thing with Malcolm, Che, Huey, Sonny, Mutulu, etc. Not saying he was a political revolutionary but these are things we've seen in revolutionary peoples' lives.
Suge did get hit... It's just funny to me that people reach for these FAR out reasons why Tupac was murdered... But they over-look the simple sh*t... He & his crew STOMPED out some rips in a casino... We've all seen the video, they were like, 18 deep...! We all know hood rules... & cats let loose for FAR less than that...
Reach? Damn, I did not know you were so close to the investigation folks.
Cats do let loose for far less than that. BUT, if it was the crip dude, Suge would have been more than grazed from that close of range. If I am mad at someone that just jumped me, everyone in the car is getting it, not just one person. Tupac and Biggie were murdered by professionals, imo. Considering the crime has never been solved, my THEORY is neither proven nor unproven at this time.
Cats do let loose for far less than that. BUT, if it was the crip dude, Suge would have been more than grazed from that close of range. If I am mad at someone that just jumped me, everyone in the car is getting it, not just one person. Tupac and Biggie were murdered by professionals, imo. Considering the crime has never been solved, my THEORY is neither proven nor unproven at this time.
Did Mobb Deep, Jay-Z and LL Cool J shot him too?
Dude was a perfect example of irresponsibility and it only got worse when he went to Deathrow.
He got himself into that shit by associating with Black Mafia members he had no business associating with.
He let these same Mafia members rape/run a train on a woman (depending on which story you believe) in his hotel room.
He dry snitched on the people he believed set him up in Vibe magazine. Vibe took it upon themselves to change the names.
On Makaveli he dry snitched the dude who shot him, King Tut, and even promoted his album in interviews like that, "I say who shot me."
Nah, it's not the same thing. 2pac was more Frank Sinatra then any of the dudes you mentioned, atleast in regards to criminal ties.
Dude was a perfect example of irresponsibility and it only got worse when he went to Deathrow.
He got himself into that shit by associating with Black Mafia members he had no business associating with.
He let these same Mafia members rape/run a train on a woman (depending on which story you believe) in his hotel room.
He dry snitched on the people he believed set him up in Vibe magazine. Vibe took it upon themselves to change the names.
On Makaveli he dry snitched the dude who shot him, King Tut, and even promoted his album in interviews like that, "I say who shot me."
Nah, it's not the same thing. 2pac was more Frank Sinatra then any of the dudes you mentioned, atleast in regards to criminal ties.
I never claimed I was close to the investigation, folks...! But cats are up here sayin' the GOVERNMENT had Tupac killed... So, hell yeah that's REACHIN'...! & Tupac was shot 5 times in NY... No professionals, no government agents, no men in black suits... Just some grimmie NY stick up kids... Uncle Sam wasn't trippin' off of Tupac...
You're slow...! I KNOW Uncle Sam was trippin' off of Tupac's MOMMA...! I KNOW Uncle Sam was trippin' off of Angela Davis...! & I also KNOW Uncle Sam was trippin' off of Assata Shakur...! Get the hell outta here w/ yo weak sh*t... You're the one who dosen't know who Uncle Sam is/was trippin' off of... The hell the "government" worried about some ex Digital Underground dancer for...? Louis Farrakhan (sp) gathers a MILLION Black men in the nation's capitol, talkin' 'bout GIVE ME MINE...! And lives... But... Tupac Shakur, Mr. "I Get Around", Mr. "Hit 'Em Up", gets killed by some government agency...?????? Please... You sound foolish...!
