The Pledge

[Mcleanhatch]

I aint Pledging Allegiance to no muthafuckin flag uncle sam aint giving a shit about me so muchafuck that fag- Crooked of Darkroom Familia

thats funny how that guy (crooked) would say that considering he has free speech and is allowed to say whatever he wants and makes a living off of it. I bet if he talked shit about the government like that in some other country they would have his ass!!!

 

[nefar559]

thats funny how that guy (crooked) would say that considering he has free speech and is allowed to say whatever he wants and makes a living off of it. I bet if he talked shit about the government like that in some other country they would have his ass!!!

but this isn't another country, its american, supposly for all
what the pledge stands for. this isn't a totalitarianism regime.
let him say what ever he wants, he might also have a reason.

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

Hey redstorm,
I feel you, but its really not that bad for you. I'm in the military and every morning and every evening while on base we have to stop where we are stand up and come to attention when they play the anthem. If we don't someone could write us up. And in the military it isnt like getting a referral or an attitude from a teacher. Its like getting a bad mark on our record which reflects on us through our lives. They make no room for rebels. It really doesn't bother me anymore, but I guess I will appreciate the freedoms I had before i joined a lot more. And yeah, keep sittin down, fucc what they say.

 

[RedStorm]

if you are atheist or dont believe in God then you have a right not to pledge because of the "one nation under God" line.

but it seems here that you are just saying fuck you USA im a lazy fuccker and dont want to pledge allegiance to you even though you offer me more than any other country in the world can.

and that i find disrespectful, and all other people who have lost loved ones fighting for this country and to keep it free, should also find it disrespectful.

IF your atheist or dont believe in god....eh dont say the god part....
revised version for atheiest
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands one nation, indivisable with liberty and justice for all"
NOW was that soo hard?....you like our country....Stay in we would love to have you...you got a real serious problem with pledging an allegiance to it..i said it before...and ill say it again....BOUNCE!
Think about it..hmm those last lines..liberty and justice for all...are those such hard things to pledge allegiance to....

To you^^^two: Reread what I wrote and tell me where I said that being an atheist is my reason for not standing. Don't assume anything. And @ Mcleanhatch: I don't say fuck the United States, I say fuck 99% of the people. And don't you think that standing up everyday in to "pledge allegiance" to this country is a little excessive? I don't have to say something every day for it to be true. I don't have to look at my ID card every day to know who I am, I don't have to carry a card around that says, "I'm a male" to know what my sex is, so why is it disrespectful to not stand even though I know that (or if) I respect this country (or not)?

 

[Snubnoze]

LOL, I find it funny how Mclean is over here saying without this country you would not have free speech, but in the same sentence, denouncing free speech. You also say we need more people who are not affraid to be politically incorrect, well technically, not participating in the pledge would be considered politically incorrect. Aside from all that, I don't know about you, but the whole pledge of allegance seems like something communist countries would do. Ya know, those evil commies! First they start controlling your mind, then they control your wallet. Mclean your a DAMN COMMIE BASTARD!

 

[nefar559]

LOL, I find it funny how Mclean is over here saying without this country you would not have free speech, but in the same sentence, denouncing free speech. You also say we need more people who are not affraid to be politically incorrect, well technically, not participating in the pledge would be considered politically incorrect. Aside from all that, I don't know about you, but the whole pledge of allegance seems like something communist countries would do. Ya know, those evil commies! First they start controlling your mind, then they control your wallet. Mclean your a DAMN COMMIE BASTARD!

i agree with you except the last part.

your defination of communism is wrong, he's a conversative right winger,
just plug-in "conversative right winger" where you said "commie."

:-D

 

[Mcleanhatch]

but this isn't another country, its american, supposly for all
what the pledge stands for. this isn't a totalitarianism regime.
let him say what ever he wants, he might also have a reason.

all i am saying is he is being a hypocrit that "crooked I" guy thats all

 

[Mcleanhatch]

LOL, I find it funny how Mclean is over here saying without this country you would not have free speech, but in the same sentence, denouncing free speech.

where did i denounce free speech???

 

[nefar559]

all i am saying is he is being a hypocrit that "crooked I" guy thats all

Originally posted by Mcleanhatch
I bet if he talked shit about the government like that in some other country they would have his ass!!!

Originally posted by nefar559
but this isn't another country, its american, supposly for all
what the pledge stands for. this isn't a totalitarianism regime.
let him say what ever he wants, he might also have a reason.

 

[Mcleanhatch]

You also say we need more people who are not affraid to be politically incorrect, well technically, not participating in the pledge would be considered politically incorrect

no your backwards. discontinuing the pledge in a school of 1000 because of 1 or 2 kids is being POLITICALLY CORRECT. what i say they should do is say we are going to do the pledge no matter what if you are atheist or cant perform because of religeous reasons then dont every1 else will period! thats what i meant by not being afraid of being POLITICALLY INCORRECT

 

[D-Style]

Mcleanhatch: freedom of speech and freedom to live "freely" isn't a fuckin privilege it's a god given right. Fuck whoever says otherwise. You have some weird views man. I remember you said that mexicans don't care about their position in this country or something to that effect, why would you say that when your mexican yourself? I'm curious, what makes you think the way you do? Your tooooo conservative.

 

[Mcleanhatch]

First they start controlling your mind, then they control your wallet. Mclean your a DAMN COMMIE BASTARD!

actually i consider myself to be a moderate conservative

 

[Mcleanhatch]

I remember you said that mexicans don't care about their position in this country or something to that effect, why would you say that when your mexican yourself?

it WASN'T to that effect>>>>>. what i said was thet mexicans in general arent as politically active as are blacks and other minorities. you dont see mexicans organizing marches and having major rallies very often like other minorities. i mean the only protest by mexicans that i have seen in the past couple of years is a ceasar chaves union rally (about 3 months ago maybe?). probly nefar559 would know when that happened. i believe it was a march from maybe fresno to sacramento?

and that rally wasnt even for mexican american rights! it was to extend rights to mexicans from mexico who come here illegally.

 

[Mcleanhatch]

Mcleanhatch: freedom of speech and freedom to live "freely" isn't a fuckin privilege it's a god given right

not according to the laws of many countries. here in this country freedom of speech is a privilage and a god given right. but freedom to live freely i dont think so at least not in this country.

 

[Mcleanhatch]

To you^^^two: Reread what I wrote and tell me where I said that being an atheist is my reason for not standing. Don't assume anything. And @ Mcleanhatch: I don't say fuck the United States, I say fuck 99% of the people. And don't you think that standing up everyday in to "pledge allegiance" to this country is a little excessive?

here i will repost what i said i came to two conclusions one being if you were athiest and the other being if you were to lazy as you stated but ill repost it so you can see it again

 

[nefar559]

it WASN'T to that effect>>>>>. what i said was thet mexicans in general arent as politically active as are blacks and other minorities. you dont see mexicans organizing marches and having major rallies very often like other minorities. i mean the only protest by mexicans that i have seen in the past couple of years is a ceasar chaves union rally (about 3 months ago maybe?). probly nefar559 would know when that happened. i believe it was a march from maybe fresno to sacramento?

and that rally wasnt even for mexican american rights! it was to extend rights to mexicans from mexico who come here illegally.

a chear chavez union rally!?!?
it was given by the United Farm Workers, they wanted some bills
to pass what would "call for mediators and the Agricultural Labor Relations Board to decide the terms of a contract when negotiations between farmworkers and growers fail to strike a deal."

guess what?...it passed!!!!

 

[D-Style]

not according to the laws of many countries. here in this country freedom of speech is a privilage and a god given right. but freedom to live freely i dont think so at least not in this country.

that's the reason why I don't bow down to a country that doesn't allow me to go about my business. This worlds full of bullshit governments and just because we're better than the worst doesn't make us good.

 

[Mcleanhatch]

Re: Re: The Pledge

1. (if you are atheist) if you are atheist or dont believe in God then you have a right not to pledge because of the "one nation under God" line.

2. (if you are just too lazy as you stated) but it seems here that you are just saying fuck you USA im a lazy fuccker and dont want to pledge allegiance to you even though you offer me more than any other country in the world can.

and that i find disrespectful, and all other people who have lost loved ones fighting for this country and to keep it free, should also find it disrespectful.

see i didnt assume a thing i offered a response for two different reasons

 

[Mcleanhatch]

it was given by the United Farm Workers
guess what?...it passed!!!!

are you sure cause i heard on the news (channel 30) like right after the march that davis wasnt sure if he would pass it

 

[D-Style]

Most mexicans can't do shit because they aren't citizens. That's why it's like that. They're too worried about the INS jumpin on their back. It has nothing to do with not having the will to do rally & fight like the blacks are, they don't have to worry about being deported. California did used to be mexico, my families been living here for generations since it was like that. It's funny (in a fucked up way) how the government takes the land for literally nothing then says that the indigenous people to this land aren't citizens?