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[MEXCOM]

How am I pulling things out of my ass? I'm not the one that believes in something with out evidence.

Who says I dont have evidence? The scriptures are enough proof for me and even science proves that there most likely was a man named Jesus, much like science can also most likely prove a lot of other things but cant indefinitely prove them. Like I said evidence and proof are relative.

You have forced me to get technical. All-knowing is better known as omniscience. As I stated above, this means god knows everything-past, present and future. Omniscience entails knowledge without limits.
Omniscience and free will cannot go together. If you believe in an all-knowing being, then you cannot consistently hold that man has control over his own actions. If god knows the future, and created us, then the future is predetermined and man is unable to change it.
Your attempt to justify omniscience and free-will failed because we are speaking of God-the creator. This means god created all of us- you, Hitler, Jeffery Dahmer, Ted Bundy, everyone. At that point when god created life, god knew the future. In fact, if god is truly all-knowing, then god knew our outcomes before he created us.

Just because God knows the future/present/past doesnt mean that he forces us to do anything. That is what you are not understanding. He can be all knowing and all powerful but he isnt making me type this, he isnt making you doubt him. You and I are doing this out of our free will. I see your 'logic' but I believe it is faulty at best.

There is another irritating problem with the idea of omniscience: it contradicts omnipotence which Droopy mentioned earlier. If god knows the future, he cannot change it-in which case he cannot be omnipotent.

if he knows the future he can very well change it. Just because he knows the future doesnt mean he cant go to the past and change it. I dont see this 'irritatin' problem.

What a sick bastard. He loves child-rapists?

He loves them for who they are not for what they have done. They are his children. God may hate their actions but i dont personally believe he will hate them. If showing love and a willingess to forgive makes someone a sick bastard then let me tell you that what this world might need are a few more 'sick bastards.'

Nope, sorry. If god created all and was all-knowing while doing so, then god is responsiple.

Nope, sorry. You are thinking as a Westerner would. Remember that God is a Hebrew God and since you and I aren't Hebrews we must think like Hebrews to even begin to understand a bit about him. Firstly in the Western World we never accept responsibility for out actions we always want to blame someone. Let me give you an example.......You! You're the perfect example, you blame God for these things saying he is responsible. When he isnt. Like I said before God can only do Godl-ly things. He is perfect and can not create evil. He created Man and Man created evil. If you dont think so then please tell me who created evil and show me your proof. Either way, religious or not, the conclusion will always come back to the same end; Man Created Evil. Now as for the Hebrew world they believe that when you do wrong there is NO one to blame but yourself. I believe this is true. The devil, God, others, etc never make you do anything because everything falls nack on YOU!

Unsupported claims? What unsupported claims has an atheist made? Please, just name ONE. And when did I ever try to prove god doesn't exist?
You're absolutely right...I can't prove there is no god. Nor can you prove that I don't have a purple unicorn in my room. Common sense however will tell you that there are no such things as purple unicorns.

Unsupported claims. From atheists? What about Stalin, who thought it was best for his people to murder his fellow comrade in order for him to asume absolute and total control. What about Mao Tse-tung, what about Sigmund Freud who believes we want to kill our fathers and fuck our mothers. You dont want to kill your pops and marry mommy do you?
Common sense? Please explain common sense and what makes it so common. Do we all have this common sense? Because I believe thats quite debatable.

Let me type it again,
"Sure, it is a choice. I choose to live life rationally. I will not and have not supported any theory without evidence."
I'm sure even a 12 year can comprehend this statement.

Please refrain from your pathetic attempts at insulting me. As I mentioned had you bothered to read; The Computer I was using at the moment was not properly showing your complete message.
You believe its rational. I dont. You have your proof, fine. I have mine and I will continure to believe in God.

Are you trying to be funny? I don't see any missing words.
I stated, "Drinking I’m sure isn’t a sin, but being a MURDERER is. “Thou shall not kill?Check the name again, “Alcoholic Murderer”
Let me try to brake it down for you.

1. You stated, "Drinking as far as I know is not a sin. Though any inforation refuting that would be appreciated."
2. I simply said that "Drinking I'm sure isn't a sin, but being a MURDERER is.
If you can't remember, look back in the thread. The person with user name "been drinking" has "alcoholic murderer" in his sig. Not too christian is it?

If I were trying to be funny it would show. Clearly I wasnt as I properly explained to you that it was not showing your completed message.
Now let me break down your reply and give you my 2cents.
1) No drinking is not a sin. We both agree. Good.
2) So its not christian because he has the word alcoholic in his sig? how is that even wrong. As long as he doesnt kill any one then he doesnt have a problem with being a murderer.

 

[Mac Allah]

Think about it. God is all-knowing. If god is all-knowing then he knows the past, present and future. Thus he knew I would be an Atheist. He knew Hitler would kill jews. How can we have free will if God already knows the future? Before I was born, he knew my outcome, and yet you claim I have free will? Completely illogical.

This brings up another good question.. if god is all knowing why does he put us through this test.. that just sounds cruel. and also why did he tell adam and eve not to eat the apple if he knew they would anyways.

 

[MrFedEx503]

See i dont believe any thing spcific, but i do think theres something after life... I dont know if its one god or many. I will believe it when i see Him or them with my own eyes. Not from reading a book

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Who says I dont have evidence? The scriptures are enough proof for me and even science proves that there most likely was a man named Jesus, much like science can also most likely prove a lot of other things but cant indefinitely prove them. Like I said evidence and proof are relative.

Explain to me how Science has “most likely proved there was a man named Jesus”? As far as I know, there are no scientific facts that point to his existence. If my memory is correct, the earliest recorded reference to Jesus wasn’t until 40 years after he supposedly died.
Regardless if Jesus existed or not is not relevant with this discussion. Most Atheists believe there was a man named Jesus anyways.

Just because God knows the future/present/past doesnt mean that he forces us to do anything. That is what you are not understanding. He can be all knowing and all powerful but he isnt making me type this, he isnt making you doubt him. You and I are doing this out of our free will. I see your 'logic' but I believe it is faulty at best.

How is my logic faulty? Please explain.
Let me get even more technical.
1. Existence M can be involved in 2 events - X and Y.
2. Existence A is all-knowing, therefore can never make a mistake, and knows all events.
3. Existence A knows that Existence M will be involved in event X and not in event Y.
4. Therefore, because Existence M must be involved in event X and not in event Y.
5. Therefore Existence M could not choose between events X and Y.
6. If Existence A is all-knowing, then it knows all events, and it knows which existences (including Existence A itself) will be involved in which events, and Existence A cannot be mistaken.
7. Therefore all existences must be involved in all events as previously known by Existence A.
8. therefore no existence can choose between any of the events.


Good quote, “I think the whole omniscience/free-will debate breaks down should you get the chance to meet God, and he produces two stone, one black and one white. He says to you "I know which stone you're going to choose". You say "Which one is that," and He replies, "the black one". Can you then go on to choose the white stone? If you say "yes," then God isn't omniscient, and if you say "no," then you have no free-will. Given this and a fairly tortious inferential chain, it seems clear that we may have free-will, but God has none at all!”

if he knows the future he can very well change it. Just because he knows the future doesnt mean he cant go to the past and change it. I dont see this 'irritatin' problem.

Think a little harder. If he knows the future (all-knowing) then this means not only that he knows the future of mankind, he also knows the future of his own actions. If he knows his future actions, then he would already know if he were to change the future, thus a huge contradiction.
I assume you have never studied logic?

He loves them for who they are not for what they have done. They are his children. God may hate their actions but i dont personally believe he will hate them. '

Well, if god loves child molesters then I think it’s safe to say that God is one sick being.

If showing love and a willingess to forgive makes someone a sick bastard then let me tell you that what this world might need are a few more 'sick bastards.

So God is all-loving now? But I thought god punishes people? Didn’t god kill a lot of people in the bible? Hmmm. The contradictions are fierce.

Nope, sorry. You are thinking as a Westerner would. Remember that God is a Hebrew God and since you and I aren't Hebrews we must think like Hebrews to even begin to understand a bit about him.

Oh, I see. So god is Hebrew now. Wow. I didn’t know I had to think like a “Hebrew” to understand the concept of god. Amazing.

Firstly in the Western World we never accept responsibility for out actions we always want to blame someone.

Speak for yourself comrade.

Let me give you an example.......You! You're the perfect example, you blame God for these things saying he is responsible.

No, not correct. Remember, I don’t believe in god, therefore I do not blame god for anything. I was simply attempting to show the contradiction you made.

Like I said before God can only do Godl-ly things. He is perfect and can not create evil. He created Man and Man created evil. If you dont think so then please tell me who created evil and show me your proof. Either way, religious or not, the conclusion will always come back to the same end; Man Created Evil.

Well, to get specific I do not believe in “evil”, I only believe in actions. To get even more specific, there is no such thing as right or wrong…only personal morals.

Now as for the Hebrew world they believe that when you do wrong there is NO one to blame but yourself. I believe this is true. The devil, God, others, etc never make you do anything because everything falls nack on YOU!

I also believe that we are the ones to blame, however, my point was to show that if god is the creator and he knew the outcome before he created man, then our lives are predestined.

Unsupported claims. From atheists? What about Stalin, who thought it was best for his people to murder his fellow comrade in order for him to asume absolute and total control. What about Mao Tse-tung, what about Sigmund Freud who believes we want to kill our fathers and fuck our mothers. You dont want to kill your pops and marry mommy do you?

LoL! What do these people have to do with this discussion? The actions of these “atheists” have nothing to do with the debate we are having. Look back if you don’t remember. You stated, “Atheist are always using unsupported claims to try and prove God doesnt exist.” This is where I asked, “What unsupported claims has an atheist made?” Let me rephrase, “What unsupported claims has an atheist made to try and prove god doesn’t exist?”

Common sense? Please explain common sense and what makes it so common. Do we all have this common sense? Because I believe thats quite debatable.

I agree that “common sense” is debatable, but I am hoping that we can come to an agreement on its definition. Tell me if you agree. Common sense is perception through the intellect; apprehension; recognition; understanding; discernment; appreciation. From dictionary.com, “perception and reasoning; correct judgment; good mental capacity; understanding; also, that which is sound, true, or reasonable; rational meaning”

Common sense will tell us that “Santa Claus” is a myth, created by man to celebrate Christmas. Common sense will tell us that unicorns are also a myth created by man. Common sense will tell us that I do not have a purple unicorn in my room, because we already know that unicorns are a myth. My point is that you cannot prove that I do not have a purple unicorn even though common sense tells us it is impossible. In other words, man cannot prove the nonexistent is nonexistent.

Please refrain from your pathetic attempts at insulting me. As I mentioned had you bothered to read; The Computer I was using at the moment was not properly showing your complete message.

I was not trying to insult you…I thought you were being sarcastic when you said your computer “was not properly showing your complete message” and you were making fun of some spelling errors or incorrect grammar.

1) No drinking is not a sin. We both agree. Good.
2) So its not christian because he has the word alcoholic in his sig? how is that even wrong. As long as he doesnt kill any one then he doesnt have a problem with being a murderer.

Is killing someone a sin? Is murder an action of a good Christian? I was commenting on the name, “alcoholic MURDERER”. I simply stated that this name isn’t too Christian. I wasn’t refereeing to “alcoholic”, I was refereeing to “Murderer”.

 

[miggidy]

Well, as a good christian you should forgive me then.

No need to abuse it though, you should know better than that.
Why post in a forum if you're not contributing to its discussions?

 

[miggidy]

See i dont believe any thing spcific, but i do think theres something after life... I dont know if its one god or many. I will believe it when i see Him or them with my own eyes. Not from reading a book

What if it's too late by the time you see him/her/it?

The book does not show you God himself, it shows you the path to Him.
Read it first, then tell me how it didn't work for you before you tell me that without reading it....

 

[miggidy]

This brings up another good question.. if god is all knowing why does he put us through this test.. that just sounds cruel. and also why did he tell adam and eve not to eat the apple if he knew they would anyways.

So that you have no excuse....

 

[2-0-Sixx]

What if it's too late by the time you see him/her/it?

What if you chose the wrong religion?

 

[Ethereal]

What if you chose the wrong religion?

Hahaa, dog that is why I don't choose a religion. Not because of my faith in god, but because religion is watered down like a swimming pool. It's almost as if the entire world, other then American and those who follow the Bible, are going to hell.

 

[EDJ]

SJN 14,
YOU STRESSED, "Matthew 15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man: but what cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man."

ENgLISH MAN. FUK ALL THAT DOETH, COMETH BULLSHIT. BUT YOU MISPERCEIVIN' THAT TEXT. ALCOHOL'S NOT WRONg, IT'S WHAT IT CAUSES THE MAN TO DO WHAT IS WRONg. BUT IF YOU DO N-ETHANg IN EXCESS HAS NEgATIVE OUTCOMES. THAT'S JUST COMMON SENSE. THAT CORRELATES WITH BEIN' gREEDY.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Therefore it depends on how you see gluttony. I see it not that you drink or eat a lot, but the fact that you desire it in such a way that that is malicious. For example if I drank while you were thirsty that would be a gluttonous sin because I have more than enough, and even if i didnt, i drank without offering you any."

THAT'S ONE WAY TO LOOK AT IT. BUT ALL COMES DOWN TO gREED. YOU EAT A LOT, YOU'LL BE FAT AND THUS PRONED TO MORE DISEASES. IF YOU DRINK A LOT YOU A DRUNK AND A LUSH THUS EVERYTHANg ELSE IS UNIMPORTANT.

 

[miggidy]

What if you chose the wrong religion?

That is a good question, it's also an excuse when an agnostic person uses it as such.

Personally, I think God has to make an exception for certain people who are raised a certain way.
Lets say people born in Indonesia, how can you not be anything but Muslim? Some of these people have no choice, they are raised and brain washed to believe a certain way. And they are persecuted when they question their own faith. Their faith is based on fear....
Unless God touched these people's lives and they still rejected him, only then can I understand why he won't give them eternal life. Jesus even warned that those who decieve children and cause them to sin will be punished even worse than others.
I think Jesus was reffering to religious and or some kind of enforcement over children. To make them do something against their will, or brain wash them into committing sin.

Other Christians won't agree with this, they'll say everyone who doesn't believe in Jesus will go to hell.
I think that's kind of selfish to think like that.
But I don't know, I have a gut feeling that it's more like I think it is. Usually my gut feeling is correct....

Moving on....
Worrying over what's the right religion is a copp out.
One must do what's right and search for the truth.
The truth is out there and it is evil's plan to make it difficult for us to find it. People purposely obscure the truth with lies making it difficult for a beginner. But that shouldn't deter you, you should expect shit like that. Nothing is easy....
Trust me on this, once you find the truth, you will know it.
Why? Cuz there will be no more doubt....
I know people who haven't found the truth, and they are constantly doubting their beliefs. I've seen it from every religion, including Christianity....
If you ain't sure? Keep looking....

 

[MEXCOM]

Damn this is Long! PT. 1

Explain to me how Science has “most likely proved there was a man named Jesus”? As far as I know, there are no scientific facts that point to his existence. If my memory is correct, the earliest recorded reference to Jesus wasn’t until 40 years after he supposedly died.
Regardless if Jesus existed or not is not relevant with this discussion. Most Atheists believe there was a man named Jesus anyways.

Here's a link, I know you said atheist believe that there was a man named Jesus but here is something that may be considered proof.
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20021021/jesus.html

How is my logic faulty? Please explain.
Let me get even more technical.
1. Existence M can be involved in 2 events - X and Y.
2. Existence A is all-knowing, therefore can never make a mistake, and knows all events.
3. Existence A knows that Existence M will be involved in event X and not in event Y.
4. Therefore, because Existence M must be involved in event X and not in event Y.
5. Therefore Existence M could not choose between events X and Y.
6. If Existence A is all-knowing, then it knows all events, and it knows which existences (including Existence A itself) will be involved in which events, and Existence A cannot be mistaken.
7. Therefore all existences must be involved in all events as previously known by Existence A.
8. therefore no existence can choose between any of the events.

Your proof is faulty because of a few things.
1,2,3) If we are taking about the Biblical God then it must be agreed he is all powerful, all knowledgable and omnipresent.
Because he is these things he can bend and distort logic. Logic can be distorted by a being that is ALL powerful. Thus your logic is faulty. It would be faulty and illogical to claim something is all powerful if he cannot bend logic. Thus your claim can be thrown out or simple rewritten. Lets look at it like this:
God Man
2+2=4 2+2=4
2+2=5 2+2=4
If God truly is all powerful he would be able to change the universe HE created to comply with his wishes.

Good quote, “I think the whole omniscience/free-will debate breaks down should you get the chance to meet God, and he produces two stone, one black and one white. He says to you "I know which stone you're going to choose". You say "Which one is that," and He replies, "the black one". Can you then go on to choose the white stone? If you say "yes," then God isn't omniscient, and if you say "no," then you have no free-will. Given this and a fairly tortious inferential chain, it seems clear that we may have free-will, but God has none at all!”

My View on this: God can tell you to choose the black or the white one. He tells you he knows which one you will choose. He tells you, you will choose the white one. Now you can either prove him wrong by chosing the black one or agree with him out of your own free will since he never forced you to chose either. Now say you reach over for the black one. There are one of two things that I personally believe will happen. One he will distort reality and change white into black and vice versa. He would be right as you chose the one you wanted. Two: You prove someone who is infalliable wrong. Thus Reality ends. I could be wrong, but these are my opinions.

Think a little harder. If he knows the future (all-knowing) then this means not only that he knows the future of mankind, he also knows the future of his own actions. If he knows his future actions, then he would already know if he were to change the future, thus a huge contradiction.
I assume you have never studied logic?

Firstly, No i have never extensively and formally studied logic. But that does not mean I do not know what it is.
Now back to what you said...
You also have to remember that he is all powerful. He can do ANYTHING he wants. If that is change the illogical into the logical then he can since it is within his grasps. Thus our logic would not be enough to completely understand this.

 

[MEXCOM]

Well, if god loves child molesters then I think it’s safe to say that God is one sick being.

Maybe he is a 'sick being' because he would rather love than hate. That's up to you. I personaly think it is better to love than to hate. But being human I dont think that is always possible. He is not human though and it is possible for him.

So God is all-loving now? But I thought god punishes people? Didn’t god kill a lot of people in the bible? Hmmm. The contradictions are fierce.

When did I say he was all loving? God can forgive and he can love, these are true. But those that get out of line WILL be dealt with.

Oh, I see. So god is Hebrew now. Wow. I didn’t know I had to think like a “Hebrew” to understand the concept of god. Amazing.

Again you place word into my mouth. I didnt say he was Hebrew, I said he was a Hebrew God. God of the Hebrews. And you dont need to think like a Hebrew in order to understand the concept of a god, but You do have to understand how Hebrews thought and rationalized things in order to understand Their God.

Speak for yourself comrade.

Im speaking for us a whole. Much the same way some people condem the whole US for things they have or have not done. I was never a part of those actions or lack of actions. Neither were you. Yet we are still categorized as "The US."

No, not correct. Remember, I don’t believe in god, therefore I do not blame god for anything. I was simply attempting to show the contradiction you made.

I was speaking theoretically, for the sake of the arguement. We are speaking about God. You said God was responsible. So how could he be responsible if he isnt real, at least according to you? Because you are saying if he was [real] then he would be responsible, you were speaking for the sake of the arguement, not stating that you do or dont believe in him.

Well, to get specific I do not believe in “evil”, I only believe in actions. To get even more specific, there is no such thing as right or wrong…only personal morals.

Well since there is no right or wrong for you (morally speaking), then you are right; there is no evil. But I will use a more contemporary view of evil.
Evil: Morally bad or wrong. (Thats from Dictionary.com)
Now, you said that there is no evil, just actions. But you do believe in morals, at least your own personal morals. Well I'm only assuming, of course, but I believe you have a concept, even if its your own concept, of 'bad' and 'good.' Or of things you should do which are morally acceptable, or those which are not. Now evil would be something like murder. I bet you dont find that 'morally acceptible.' Neither does God. The first Murder was not by God, it was by Man.

I also believe that we are the ones to blame, however, my point was to show that if god is the creator and he knew the outcome before he created man, then our lives are predestined.

I see your point although I dont agree. Realistically speaking if I were an atheist I would agree that God was to blame. Im not and I have tried my best to explain why that is.

LoL! What do these people have to do with this discussion? The actions of these “atheists” have nothing to do with the debate we are having. Look back if you don’t remember. You stated, “Atheist are always using unsupported claims to try and prove God doesnt exist.” This is where I asked, “What unsupported claims has an atheist made?” Let me rephrase, “What unsupported claims has an atheist made to try and prove god doesn’t exist?”

My bad. It was late and I wrote this before I went to Bed. But to answer your question, look at Droopys sig. He states the Universe Just is. Then Science tells us that Matter cannot be created or destroyed, so logically it has always been which is illogical because EVERYTHING MUST have a beginning or an end (at least in terms of time). Yet its hard for you to believe that God exists and is also eternal.

I agree that “common sense” is debatable, but I am hoping that we can come to an agreement on its definition. Tell me if you agree. Common sense is perception through the intellect; apprehension; recognition; understanding; discernment; appreciation. From dictionary.com, “perception and reasoning; correct judgment; good mental capacity; understanding; also, that which is sound, true, or reasonable; rational meaning”

Common sense will tell us that “Santa Claus” is a myth, created by man to celebrate Christmas. Common sense will tell us that unicorns are also a myth created by man. Common sense will tell us that I do not have a purple unicorn in my room, because we already know that unicorns are a myth. My point is that you cannot prove that I do not have a purple unicorn even though common sense tells us it is impossible. In other words, man cannot prove the nonexistent is nonexistent.

First Paragraph) that does seem about as good a definition on common sense as their can be. But then again wouldn't it also be "common sense" to believe that since humans understand "common sense" they would act accordingly? Yet they dont. They never will, at least not completly.
2nd paragraph) About the unicorns are you sure? I mean I personally dont believe in them but "common sense" has also told us that many animals have been extinct for millions of years, yet we have found that to be not true. (I cant think of the name of it, but its a fish that used to live in what I believe was the Jurrasic Period. It was thought to be extinct and we had a large amount of proof that it was infact extinct. Yet ''Common sense'' let us down.) So maybe its not "man cannot prove the nonexistent is nonexistent," but "what man cannot prove or disprove should not be so easily cast off until it can be proved one way or the other." But lets talk about logic. If man cannot prove the non-existant how does he know its existant? If we cannot prove it then we do not know it does not exist. logically speaking would that be right or wrong?
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I was not trying to insult you…I thought you were being sarcastic when you said your computer “was not properly showing your complete message” and you were making fun of some spelling errors or incorrect grammar.

Naw, I made fun of one of your mistakes, And that was when you tried to tell me you were speaking to BeenDrinking and not myself. But it came out along the lines of "I was talking to you." But the computer i was using was fucked up. I couldnt see about 80% of your text.

Is killing someone a sin? Is murder an action of a good Christian? I was commenting on the name, “alcoholic MURDERER”. I simply stated that this name isn’t too Christian. I wasn’t refereeing to “alcoholic”, I was refereeing to “Murderer”.

I meant Murder also not drinking. It should have been:
2)So its not christian because he has the word Murder in his sig? how is that even wrong. As long as he doesnt kill any one then he doesnt have a problem with being a murderer.
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I still dont see anything wrong with him having the word murder in there as long as he doesnt kill anyone.

 

[MEXCOM]

SJN 14,
YOU STRESSED, "Matthew 15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man: but what cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man."

ENgLISH MAN. FUK ALL THAT DOETH, COMETH BULLSHIT. BUT YOU MISPERCEIVIN' THAT TEXT. ALCOHOL'S NOT WRONg, IT'S WHAT IT CAUSES THE MAN TO DO WHAT IS WRONg. BUT IF YOU DO N-ETHANg IN EXCESS HAS NEgATIVE OUTCOMES. THAT'S JUST COMMON SENSE. THAT CORRELATES WITH BEIN' gREEDY.

Well that is English. Its more of an "Olde English/Archaic English" but its purer than the perversion we speak today.
Well not ANYTHING in excess is wrong. How about loving God excessively? I think thats ok. but I do see your point with alcohol.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Therefore it depends on how you see gluttony. I see it not that you drink or eat a lot, but the fact that you desire it in such a way that that is malicious. For example if I drank while you were thirsty that would be a gluttonous sin because I have more than enough, and even if i didnt, i drank without offering you any."

THAT'S ONE WAY TO LOOK AT IT. BUT ALL COMES DOWN TO gREED. YOU EAT A LOT, YOU'LL BE FAT AND THUS PRONED TO MORE DISEASES. IF YOU DRINK A LOT YOU A DRUNK AND A LUSH THUS EVERYTHANg ELSE IS UNIMPORTANT.

Yes! Greed/Desire. I agree with Buddha when he said that suffering originates from desire. I dont think we have to become buddhist and never desire but I do think an excessive amount of desire is a bad thing.

 

[28g w/o the bag]

Well, as a good christian you should forgive me then.

i don't see any apologies from you anywhere, so therefore my go to hell remark still stands. creampuff

i like how some of you try to make fun of religion like it's some sort of joke... THIS IS SERIOUS. you might as well start flinging racial slurs at us while you're at it.

 

[28g w/o the bag]

^^^ shops open

remember, keep this conversation TASTEFUL...

 

[WHITE DEVIL]

Gook. Hahaha.

lol

 

[28g w/o the bag]

[high]

^^^ don't make me kick ur ass

[/high]

 

[Ethereal]

Worrying over what's the right religion is a copp out.
One must do what's right and search for the truth.
The truth is out there and it is evil's plan to make it difficult for us to find it. People purposely obscure the truth with lies making it difficult for a beginner. But that shouldn't deter you, you should expect shit like that. Nothing is easy....
Trust me on this, once you find the truth, you will know it.
Why? Cuz there will be no more doubt....
I know people who haven't found the truth, and they are constantly doubting their beliefs. I've seen it from every religion, including Christianity.... If you ain't sure? Keep looking....

Realizing how religion has been watered down is only half the reason I don't follow. If there is one thing I despise, it is a hypocrite. If I were to claim a religion, practice it on a daily basis, yet live a life that contradicts everything I stand for on religious grounds, would I not be just that. Is that alone not just as bad, if not worse than following no religion at all? Is it ok for me to profess the Christian word while I don't follow it entirely myself. I do not believe it is right, therefore I make my peace with god nightly as only I know how.

 

[miggidy]

^^^^
Read the bible at the very least.
It will help you realize what to do in the situation you find yourself in.