The Passion Is The Best Movie I have Ever Seen
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When you said : "If it were up to him, we would have no sin."
Can't God remove sin?
Isn't God the one who decides what is sin?
It just seems like God makes a lot of shitty decisions, why did make first a man then realizing he needed to make a woman also and why did he use the man's rib when he had unlimited material to create all the other beings?
Why did he create man at all if he knew we would eventually be doomed?
Can't God remove sin?
Isn't God the one who decides what is sin?
It just seems like God makes a lot of shitty decisions, why did make first a man then realizing he needed to make a woman also and why did he use the man's rib when he had unlimited material to create all the other beings?
Why did he create man at all if he knew we would eventually be doomed?
I was speaking to you, unless your AKA is Been Drinking.
You don’t see a contradiction here? Come on, I know you’re capable of thinking logically just for a minute or two. Think about it. God is all-knowing. If god is all-knowing then he knows the past, present and future. Thus he knew I would be an Atheist. He knew Hitler would kill jews. How can we have free will if God already knows the future? Before I was born, he knew my outcome, and yet you claim I have free will? Completely illogical.
Does this mean he loves killers/rapists/Osama Bin Ladin/Bush/Hitler etc?
I need god about as much as I need the tooth-fairy
Rape, murder, greed, incest etc.?
Making conclusions without rationale only supports my atheism. Believing in a god without evidence supports this claim.
You left out, “or do not believe in him”. Sure, it is a choice. I choose to live a life rationally. I will not and have not supported any theory without evidence.
Drinking I’m sure isn’t a sin, but being a MURDERER is. “Thou shall not kill” Check the name again, “Alcoholic Murderer”
You don’t see a contradiction here? Come on, I know you’re capable of thinking logically just for a minute or two. Think about it. God is all-knowing. If god is all-knowing then he knows the past, present and future. Thus he knew I would be an Atheist. He knew Hitler would kill jews. How can we have free will if God already knows the future? Before I was born, he knew my outcome, and yet you claim I have free will? Completely illogical.
Does this mean he loves killers/rapists/Osama Bin Ladin/Bush/Hitler etc?
I need god about as much as I need the tooth-fairy
Rape, murder, greed, incest etc.?
Making conclusions without rationale only supports my atheism. Believing in a god without evidence supports this claim.
You left out, “or do not believe in him”. Sure, it is a choice. I choose to live a life rationally. I will not and have not supported any theory without evidence.
Drinking I’m sure isn’t a sin, but being a MURDERER is. “Thou shall not kill” Check the name again, “Alcoholic Murderer”
I believe I explained this already. Read my reply to Sixx.
He can if he wanted to. Just like I could remove you from this planet by killing you. Thats not the best way to handle anything.
God has made NO shitty decisions.
1) God made man and made woman to accompany man. None is better. Woman compliments man as much as Man compliments woman. We need women. If you think that was a mistake it seems that you like smoking snausage. Is that true?
2) The rib is symbolic. Woman comes from Man. But she is not less because of this. She and Man are One.
3) He created Man because he wants to share everything he has always and will always experience. We need God he doesnt need us. Remember that. I can get into this a lot more but this should suffice.
He can if he wanted to. Just like I could remove you from this planet by killing you. Thats not the best way to handle anything.
God has made NO shitty decisions.
1) God made man and made woman to accompany man. None is better. Woman compliments man as much as Man compliments woman. We need women. If you think that was a mistake it seems that you like smoking snausage. Is that true?
2) The rib is symbolic. Woman comes from Man. But she is not less because of this. She and Man are One.
3) He created Man because he wants to share everything he has always and will always experience. We need God he doesnt need us. Remember that. I can get into this a lot more but this should suffice.
My name isnt Been Drinking, luckily for me you were speaking to me. Pheeew!
Not illogical at all. What IS illogical is how you are pulling things out of your ass, passing them as logic, AND NOT looking at it in all perspectives. For the sake of this arguement say that I can see the future. I know you will die next june, I know you will be married on friday, and know that your intermost secret is that you like to watch dogs hump. Now if we had met when we were 3 I would know you would be an atheist (im assuming you at one point in your life were a Christian, regardless my point stands) you would marry someone on june 2004, and you liked watching Dogs hump. Now I can either use this knowledge to wield you to MY will or never tell you and let you decide, let you live, let you experience life. That does not seem illogical at all. I let you do this all though I could have used your secrets and knowledge of yourself against you.
Yes, he loves them all and he even loves you. Just because you do things you shouldnt doesnt mean he'll stop loving you. He forgives, that may not be a common way of thinking in the west but he forgives everything as long as you are willing to accept him. Even if you dont it doesnt mean you wont be loved.
That's your choice. You do need him. If you dont accept that then you dont accept it.
God did not create these things. Man did. If he has experienced these things its up for debate. I feel that he is tied into every single human in someway and that all we do he knows, all we feel so does he.
Really? I can say the same thing. Wheres the proof that God doesnt exist? Atheist are always using unsupported claims to try and prove God doesnt exist. When you are able to prove God is nothing more than a fairy tale then I will devote my life to being your fellow atheist.
Im not sure if its this computer im on, or you just went typo-crazy. But its really hard to catch some of what you are saying.
About your theory about evidence thats up to you. Everything is relative. I see the Bible as proof, you dont.
i cant make out what you're trying to get across. Many of your words and letters are missing. Please rewrite this or edit your post and i will reply.
Not illogical at all. What IS illogical is how you are pulling things out of your ass, passing them as logic, AND NOT looking at it in all perspectives. For the sake of this arguement say that I can see the future. I know you will die next june, I know you will be married on friday, and know that your intermost secret is that you like to watch dogs hump. Now if we had met when we were 3 I would know you would be an atheist (im assuming you at one point in your life were a Christian, regardless my point stands) you would marry someone on june 2004, and you liked watching Dogs hump. Now I can either use this knowledge to wield you to MY will or never tell you and let you decide, let you live, let you experience life. That does not seem illogical at all. I let you do this all though I could have used your secrets and knowledge of yourself against you.
Yes, he loves them all and he even loves you. Just because you do things you shouldnt doesnt mean he'll stop loving you. He forgives, that may not be a common way of thinking in the west but he forgives everything as long as you are willing to accept him. Even if you dont it doesnt mean you wont be loved.
That's your choice. You do need him. If you dont accept that then you dont accept it.
God did not create these things. Man did. If he has experienced these things its up for debate. I feel that he is tied into every single human in someway and that all we do he knows, all we feel so does he.
Really? I can say the same thing. Wheres the proof that God doesnt exist? Atheist are always using unsupported claims to try and prove God doesnt exist. When you are able to prove God is nothing more than a fairy tale then I will devote my life to being your fellow atheist.
Im not sure if its this computer im on, or you just went typo-crazy. But its really hard to catch some of what you are saying.
About your theory about evidence thats up to you. Everything is relative. I see the Bible as proof, you dont.
i cant make out what you're trying to get across. Many of your words and letters are missing. Please rewrite this or edit your post and i will reply.
I need food and water, I don't need to worship some unicorn with low self-esteem.
You say God doesn't need us, but why he need us to believe in him then?
What does God need?
Is man just a crazy experiment that would make a mediocre Reality show with Donald Trump as a host?
And if the rib thing is just "symbolic", why can't the whole Jesus thing also be "symbolic"?
If there were some historical backing to any of the claims in the Bible fine, but when 400 000 people wander in the desert for 40 years and we can't find a single trace of them that makes me question if these things really took place.
You say God doesn't need us, but why he need us to believe in him then?
What does God need?
Is man just a crazy experiment that would make a mediocre Reality show with Donald Trump as a host?
And if the rib thing is just "symbolic", why can't the whole Jesus thing also be "symbolic"?
If there were some historical backing to any of the claims in the Bible fine, but when 400 000 people wander in the desert for 40 years and we can't find a single trace of them that makes me question if these things really took place.
It is man who needs to believe in him in order to live eternally like him.
Because there is archeological and historic evidence that helps prove Jesus actually existed.
So far we have found proof that they were in Egypt, where it started and in Israel, where it ended.
It's only a matter of time before archeological evidence is found some where in between.
Because there is archeological and historic evidence that helps prove Jesus actually existed.
So far we have found proof that they were in Egypt, where it started and in Israel, where it ended.
It's only a matter of time before archeological evidence is found some where in between.
Ah the bible. But doesnt it also say
Matthew 15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man: but what cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
Therefore it depends on how you see gluttony. I see it not that you drink or eat a lot, but the fact that you desire it in such a way that that is malicious. For example if I drank while you were thirsty that would be a gluttonous sin because I have more than enough, and even if i didnt, i drank without offering you any.
Matthew 15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man: but what cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
Therefore it depends on how you see gluttony. I see it not that you drink or eat a lot, but the fact that you desire it in such a way that that is malicious. For example if I drank while you were thirsty that would be a gluttonous sin because I have more than enough, and even if i didnt, i drank without offering you any.
How am I pulling things out of my ass? I'm not the one that believes in something with out evidence.
You have forced me to get technical. All-knowing is better known as omniscience. As I stated above, this means god knows everything-past, present and future. Omniscience entails knowledge without limits.
Omniscience and free will cannot go together. If you believe in an all-knowing being, then you cannot consistently hold that man has control over his own actions. If god knows the future, and created us, then the future is predetermined and man is unable to change it.
Your attempt to justify omniscience and free-will failed because we are speaking of God-the creator. This means god created all of us- you, Hitler, Jeffery Dahmer, Ted Bundy, everyone. At that point when god created life, god knew the future. In fact, if god is truly all-knowing, then god knew our outcomes before he created us.
There is another irritating problem with the idea of omniscience: it contradicts omnipotence which Droopy mentioned earlier. If god knows the future, he cannot change it-in which case he cannot be omnipotent.
What a sick bastard. He loves child-rapists?
Nope, sorry. If god created all and was all-knowing while doing so, then god is responsiple.
Unsupported claims? What unsupported claims has an atheist made? Please, just name ONE. And when did I ever try to prove god doesn't exist?
You're absolutely right...I can't prove there is no god. Nor can you prove that I don't have a purple unicorn in my room. Common sense however will tell you that there are no such things as purple unicorns.
Let me type it again,
"Sure, it is a choice. I choose to live life rationally. I will not and have not supported any theory without evidence."
I'm sure even a 12 year can comprehend this statement.
Are you trying to be funny? I don't see any missing words.
I stated, "Drinking I’m sure isn’t a sin, but being a MURDERER is. “Thou shall not kill?Check the name again, “Alcoholic Murderer”
Let me try to brake it down for you.
1. You stated, "Drinking as far as I know is not a sin. Though any inforation refuting that would be appreciated."
2. I simply said that "Drinking I'm sure isn't a sin, but being a MURDERER is.
If you can't remember, look back in the thread. The person with user name "been drinking" has "alcoholic murderer" in his sig. Not too christian is it?