The official SF Giants off-season thread
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im just getting warmed up! we are like 3 days away from the real deal! and trust me, i have all the power i need waiting int he wings. if i need to decapitate a dodger fan, im only an email away from lighting striking! trust that shit!
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stats are not the same................stats aren't the final determining factor.....if they were there are many 40HR guys in AA and AAA that would be superstars in the Majors, right???????? how many Giants "prospect" do you guys tout every year with their Minor League stats???
if Kewshaw had pitched the same amount of innings in the stats you posted he would have had around 210K's, thats alote higher than Burmgarmer had at 164K, right...the way i see it is Kershaw, higher ceiling as a major leaguer, less control right now?????? or am i seeign it wrong????
and dont get me worng...........im a dodger fan and i HATE the giants...but when i campare players/prospects i try my danmest to do an honest job........doi think Burgamer will be good, YES.......but better than Price or Kewshaw, NO.......
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/top-100-prospects/2009/267708.html
Q: Ben from Leland Grove asks:
MadBum put together an amazing campaign, thus I'm shocked he didn't make your Top 5. Was there disagreement between your staffers as to where he should rank, or was it pretty much unanimous?
A: Jim Callis: John and I discussed this in the podcast then went up on our website a little while ago. When we were putting the Top 100 list together, we all agreed that David Price and Matt Wieters were the top two prospects in the game. After that, our opinions diverged. I ranked Bumgarner as the No. 4 prospect in baseball, but we also had one person who ranked him 26th. After Price and Wieters, there wasn't a lot of consensus.
Q: Timmy L. from San Francisco asks:
Is it a lock to think that the Giants could have 4 prospects in the top 20 next season since Bumgarner, Posey, Villalona and Alderson will not lose their eligibility this year?
A: John Manuel: Nothing's a lock of course, but you make a good point in that the Giants have their highest farm-system ranking ever this year (the way we keep 'em), and most of those guys are probably going to be eligible in 2010 as well. Of their Top 10 prospects, only one is really close to losing eligibility in 2009, and that's Sergio Romo. It's a farm system on the rise; funny how that often follows a big league team on the decline.
if Kewshaw had pitched the same amount of innings in the stats you posted he would have had around 210K's, thats alote higher than Burmgarmer had at 164K, right...the way i see it is Kershaw, higher ceiling as a major leaguer, less control right now?????? or am i seeign it wrong????
and dont get me worng...........im a dodger fan and i HATE the giants...but when i campare players/prospects i try my danmest to do an honest job........doi think Burgamer will be good, YES.......but better than Price or Kewshaw, NO.......
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/top-100-prospects/2009/267708.html
Q: Ben from Leland Grove asks:
MadBum put together an amazing campaign, thus I'm shocked he didn't make your Top 5. Was there disagreement between your staffers as to where he should rank, or was it pretty much unanimous?
A: Jim Callis: John and I discussed this in the podcast then went up on our website a little while ago. When we were putting the Top 100 list together, we all agreed that David Price and Matt Wieters were the top two prospects in the game. After that, our opinions diverged. I ranked Bumgarner as the No. 4 prospect in baseball, but we also had one person who ranked him 26th. After Price and Wieters, there wasn't a lot of consensus.
Q: Timmy L. from San Francisco asks:
Is it a lock to think that the Giants could have 4 prospects in the top 20 next season since Bumgarner, Posey, Villalona and Alderson will not lose their eligibility this year?
A: John Manuel: Nothing's a lock of course, but you make a good point in that the Giants have their highest farm-system ranking ever this year (the way we keep 'em), and most of those guys are probably going to be eligible in 2010 as well. Of their Top 10 prospects, only one is really close to losing eligibility in 2009, and that's Sergio Romo. It's a farm system on the rise; funny how that often follows a big league team on the decline.
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i wouldnt have you banned, but i might make some shit disappear! hahahahahah
your name is extra gay to me, but other than that you good. you drop knowledge, you arent just a hater. so do what you do!
im just gearing up for the 09 season, where the giants win the nl west!
i wouldnt have you banned, but i might make some shit disappear! hahahahahah
your name is extra gay to me, but other than that you good. you drop knowledge, you arent just a hater. so do what you do!
im just gearing up for the 09 season, where the giants win the nl west!
Stats (at same age/level) are the only way to compare the two...
That's in the past, the guys we have now are for real....
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If he would have pitched the same amount of innings at Class A he would have had 194K due his higher strikeout rate(12.4 K/9 vs. 10.4)...Bumgarner induced a lot of GIDP though and has an excellent pickoff move, thus he's able to get runners out various ways. I see their ceiling being pretty similar with Bumgarner having the advantage of plus-plus control (rediculous BB/9 rate)....
Check out this article:
http://projectprospect.com/article/2009/04/03/spring-scouting-madison-bumgarner
That's in the past, the guys we have now are for real....
:hurt:
If he would have pitched the same amount of innings at Class A he would have had 194K due his higher strikeout rate(12.4 K/9 vs. 10.4)...Bumgarner induced a lot of GIDP though and has an excellent pickoff move, thus he's able to get runners out various ways. I see their ceiling being pretty similar with Bumgarner having the advantage of plus-plus control (rediculous BB/9 rate)....
Check out this article:
http://projectprospect.com/article/2009/04/03/spring-scouting-madison-bumgarner
no it isnt.....#1 determining factor is RAW STUFF (BG=91-94 and Kers=94-97), #2 potential, #3 is results (Kershaw=MLB at age 20 and at a rate of nealy 1K/IP, while Burngarmer hasn;t throw a pitch over High A ball
Kershaw (maybe even better)= Cole Hamels
Bergarmer (best case scenario)=Cliff Lee
my math got me about 201 K's for kershaw......
first abolut the pick off move.......ummm he is a lefty i would hope he has a good pick off move...............like just about every other lefty in MLB
as for the GBDP....not from what i have heard, he is a fly ball pitcher...
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/top-100-prospects/2009/267800.html
PITCHER'S BEST FRIEND: In terms of raw double plays, no lefty topped Jonathon Niese's total of 18. Gio Gonzalez and Aaron Poreda tallied 11 apiece, while Sean West and Brett Cecil induced 10 twin killings each. Niese (11.1 percent) and Gonzalez (8.7) did the best work in eliminating excess baserunners (and they had to work around more than most pitchers here) via the double play. Brett Anderson (4.0 percent) and Madison Bumgarner (4.4) were least successful in this regard.
the fact that Kershaw is already putting up numbers signifigantly better than BG, but in the Bigs and without honing in his control and while still developing a change at the Majors speaks volumes as to his potential.....once he gains control......oh my god the ERA will drop, K's will go up, WHIP shrinks........
Kershaw (maybe even better)= Cole Hamels
Bergarmer (best case scenario)=Cliff Lee
my math got me about 201 K's for kershaw......
first abolut the pick off move.......ummm he is a lefty i would hope he has a good pick off move...............like just about every other lefty in MLB
as for the GBDP....not from what i have heard, he is a fly ball pitcher...
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/top-100-prospects/2009/267800.html
PITCHER'S BEST FRIEND: In terms of raw double plays, no lefty topped Jonathon Niese's total of 18. Gio Gonzalez and Aaron Poreda tallied 11 apiece, while Sean West and Brett Cecil induced 10 twin killings each. Niese (11.1 percent) and Gonzalez (8.7) did the best work in eliminating excess baserunners (and they had to work around more than most pitchers here) via the double play. Brett Anderson (4.0 percent) and Madison Bumgarner (4.4) were least successful in this regard.
the fact that Kershaw is already putting up numbers signifigantly better than BG, but in the Bigs and without honing in his control and while still developing a change at the Majors speaks volumes as to his potential.....once he gains control......oh my god the ERA will drop, K's will go up, WHIP shrinks........
#1 and #2 are subjective...there are other factors related to "Stuff" other than pitch speed (movement, ability to change speeds, etc.) and potential depends heavily on individual notions about a prospect....#3=stats and see last rebuttal
Time will tell....
(IP/9) * K/9= Total K
(141.2/9) * 12.4= 194.5
His GB rate is somewhere around 44%( K rate is around 30%)...
How is he putting up better numbers in the bigs? Besides Kershaw has 3 years of pro ball under his belt whereas Bumgarner was in his first (thus making his stats even more impressive).
Time will tell....
(IP/9) * K/9= Total K
(141.2/9) * 12.4= 194.5
His GB rate is somewhere around 44%( K rate is around 30%)...
How is he putting up better numbers in the bigs? Besides Kershaw has 3 years of pro ball under his belt whereas Bumgarner was in his first (thus making his stats even more impressive).
this is kershaws 3rd year...he was an 06 draft (#7 overall)
this is burmgarners 2nd year he was an 07 draft (#10 overall)
kershaw has 2 years exp.....bg has 1 year exp.........not that big of a difference as you made it sound 3-1.........pluys Kershaw is in the SHOW......bg is in AA.......not doubting his skills just saying he still needs to put up numbers against the big boys (like kershaw has)..........
let me put it this way..Kershaw is wild now.....so he is still walking guys and not K'ing up as many as he will be once he gains control. with that his ERA and WHIP sinks quickly..........BG has command already.......so his K's arent really going to increase as he faces better hitters.........