THE OFFICIAL OAKLAND RAIDERS 2009 OFFSEASON THREAD
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its a good look I think.
much better then havin tuiassiowhateverthefuckhisnameis on the squad.
garcia can effectively manage offense, especially with bush and mcfadden back there. he wont be able to hit johnny lee with the bomb but he can use the TE and the slot recievers beautifully.
itll be a whole new game if/when he get the chance to play
much better then havin tuiassiowhateverthefuckhisnameis on the squad.
garcia can effectively manage offense, especially with bush and mcfadden back there. he wont be able to hit johnny lee with the bomb but he can use the TE and the slot recievers beautifully.
itll be a whole new game if/when he get the chance to play
whats the point of being here if we cant talk shit and compare teams....
as they say..if you cant stand the heat get out of the kitchen...thats why vagina shouldnt be allowed in the sports section...
like i said....its laughable that Raider fans can come talk all the shit they want about VY or Alex smith in there teams thread but when raiders get talked shit on all the raiderettes get butthurt and act like everyone wants to "hate"..for being such a "tough" group yall are some girly men :hurt::hurt::hurt::hurt::hurt::hurt::hurt::hurt:
as they say..if you cant stand the heat get out of the kitchen...thats why vagina shouldnt be allowed in the sports section...
like i said....its laughable that Raider fans can come talk all the shit they want about VY or Alex smith in there teams thread but when raiders get talked shit on all the raiderettes get butthurt and act like everyone wants to "hate"..for being such a "tough" group yall are some girly men :hurt::hurt::hurt::hurt::hurt::hurt::hurt::hurt:
Im just scared that if Russell starts doing bad they will bench him and put in garcia......I dont know how strong JR's mental is......but that could crush a young QB..........Garcia is a good QB and has done alot of winning during his time in the league.....IMO....If russell starts fucking up id wanna see Jeff in their with the quickness...
you idiots make it a point to go out of your way to discuss and criticize a team you claim to not be a fan of. i'm guilty of it from time to time but for the most part, keep it respectful. its one thing to talk shit or disagree, its another to be a flat out hater. reality is moorcock you can say what you want, your right, it is a sports forum.
to make it fair, the comparison shouldnt be made until all qb's have had an opportunity to play an equal amount of years. heres a bit of reality though:
any way you want to cut it, a. smith an VY have REGRESSED in terms of progress in their development. there is no doubt, they are both busts at this point if their career were to end right now. both dont even have a starting job on their respective teams. VY is definately not starting, and sean hill would start over a. smith right now. last time both were on the field they were picking splinters out there ass.
last time i saw JR on the field, i saw a young QB play and manage the game like a veteran. he PROGRESSED throughout the year and will be the starting QB this year.
if all 3 careers were to end right now, what would they say?
A.Smith never panned out and is one of the top 10 BUSTS of all time.
VY couldnt pass in the NFL and joins Smith on the top ten BUSTS list.
JR played and showed a glimpse of what could have been. we never will know.
so if you call JR a bust at this point, YOU ARE A HATER. it's just in your blood.
any way you want to cut it, a. smith an VY have REGRESSED in terms of progress in their development. there is no doubt, they are both busts at this point if their career were to end right now. both dont even have a starting job on their respective teams. VY is definately not starting, and sean hill would start over a. smith right now. last time both were on the field they were picking splinters out there ass.
last time i saw JR on the field, i saw a young QB play and manage the game like a veteran. he PROGRESSED throughout the year and will be the starting QB this year.
if all 3 careers were to end right now, what would they say?
A.Smith never panned out and is one of the top 10 BUSTS of all time.
VY couldnt pass in the NFL and joins Smith on the top ten BUSTS list.
JR played and showed a glimpse of what could have been. we never will know.
so if you call JR a bust at this point, YOU ARE A HATER. it's just in your blood.
VY IS A MENTALLY SOFT FAGGOT WHO GOT BENCHED BECAUSE HE BECAME SUICIDAL OVER FANS BOOING HIM. HE IS A FAILURE, A BITCH AND A BUST.
JAMARCUS IS A SMOOTH AND STEADY LEADER WHO IS ALREADY A BETTER QB, BOTH MENTALLY AND PHYSICALLY. THIS SEASON, RUSSEL WILL EMMERGE AS A LEGITIMATE STAR WHILE YOUNG WILL LANGUISH ON THE BENCH.
THE REASON YOU ATTACK RUSSELL IS BECAUSE IT IS YOU WHO'S ASS GETS CHAPPED EVERY TIME SOMEONE RIGHTFULLY CRITISIZES VY. I THINK YOU CALLING RAIDER FANS ON HERE SENSITIVE IS REALLY JUST YOU PROJECTING YOUR INNER FEELINGS OF HEART ACHE OVER YOUR HERO BEING ESSENTIALLY A QUEER.
JAMARCUS IS A SMOOTH AND STEADY LEADER WHO IS ALREADY A BETTER QB, BOTH MENTALLY AND PHYSICALLY. THIS SEASON, RUSSEL WILL EMMERGE AS A LEGITIMATE STAR WHILE YOUNG WILL LANGUISH ON THE BENCH.
THE REASON YOU ATTACK RUSSELL IS BECAUSE IT IS YOU WHO'S ASS GETS CHAPPED EVERY TIME SOMEONE RIGHTFULLY CRITISIZES VY. I THINK YOU CALLING RAIDER FANS ON HERE SENSITIVE IS REALLY JUST YOU PROJECTING YOUR INNER FEELINGS OF HEART ACHE OVER YOUR HERO BEING ESSENTIALLY A QUEER.
Orakpo and the Texas dilemma
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Wednesday, April 8th, 2009 at 2:47 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Texas defensive end Brian Orakpo might be the most imposing physical specimen in the NFL draft.
He could be another DeMarcus Ware.
Or another Vernon Gholston.
Orakpo could be available when the Raiders choose at No. 7, and Al Davis is always on the lookout for a potentially explosive pass rusher.
Each player is scouted on his own merits, but you wonder whether scouts will take into account the track record of first-round draft picks out of the University of Texas when making the call on Orapko.
With only a few exceptions, the players out of Texas out of the last 10 years deemed the best pro prospects by virtue of their selection in the first round of the draft have underachieved.
The Raiders know this all too well, having used the No. 7 overall pick in the 2006 draft on safety Michael Huff, who went from disappointing to millimeters from bust status after washing out at free safety and losing his job to Hiram Eugene.
Huff was a slender strong safety who did some good things in coverage even if he seldom made plays. The switch to free safety was one of the big stories of training camp, with teammates talking about how natural Huff looked and what a difference he would make.
Instead, he was invisible.
The good news regarding the Longhorns is that the two players taken in the first round of the 2007 draft may have turned the tide on the unappealing Texas trend.
Huff isn’t alone in the Texas dishnor roll. A look at the good, bad and ugly of Texas draft picks over the past 10 years.
2007
1-19 Michael Griffin, S, Tennessee Titans: Named to Pro Bowl as an injury replacement this season. Looks like a winner.
1-20 Aaron Ross, CB, New York Giants: Six picks and 24 starts in his first two seasons _ a good beginning.
2006
1-3 Vince Young, QB, Tennessee Titans: Hasn’t showed the passing skill or the mental toughness to succeed at the NFL’s most demanding position.
1-7 Michael Huff, S, Oakland Raiders: Dangled as trade bait last year, hard to imagine getting anything substantial for him at this point.
2005
1-4-Cedric Benson, RB, Chicago Bears: A flop in Chicago, Benson has been of some value for the Bengals but nothing approaching his status as the fourth overall pick.
1-15 Derrick Johnson, LB, Kansas City Chiefs: Among the Chiefs leading tacklers since his arrival, but hasn’t been a game-altering presence. Will test skills in a 3-4 defense this year.
2004
1-7 Roy Williams, WR, Detroit Lions: Word is Davis may have pounced on Williams if he didn’t take Robert Gallery. Has had some big statistical years and was a Pro Bowl injury replacement with Detroit, now will be the main man in Dallas with Terrell Owens gone.
1-23, Marcus Tubbs, DT, Seattle Seahawks: Had four injury-riddled years before Seahawks gave up on him and released him following the 2008 season.
2002
1-4 Mike Williams, T, Buffalo Bills: Struggled with weight which broke 360 pounds, considered one of G.M. Tom Donahoe’s biggest mistakes. Last played with Jaguars in 2006.
1-5 Quintin Jammer, CB, San Diego Chargers: Chris Johnson may have made more plays since taking over for DeAngelo Hall than Jammer has made since he joined the Chargers. Average at best.
2001
1-2 Leonard Davis, G, Arizona Cardinals: Never became the player he was supposed to be with Cardinals but has flourished in Dallas, making the 2007 Pro Bowl.
1-19 Casey Hampton, NT, Pittsburgh: Despite weight and conditioning struggles, the man the call “Big Snack” made a 2003 Pro Bowl appearance and was an excellent addition to the center of a the NFL’s toughest 3-4 defense.
1999
1-5-Ricky Williams, RB, New Orleans Saints: Undeniable talent sidetracked by marijuana use.
Hold it on Maclin
For what it’s worth, a source familiar with Missouri wide receiver Jeremy Maclin says there are no plans in place to visit Oakland, contrary to a report on Raiderbeat.com and picked up by Profootballtalk.com.
The report cited confirmation from a “team official,” which ordinarily means something which has been cleared to be made public by either John Herrera or Mike Taylor. Not so in this case, because the Raiders haven’t publicly confirmed a single visitor to the complex with regard to prospective draft picks.
It doesn’t mean a Maclin visit isn’t happening, only that Raiders officials won’t confirm it as a matter of record and that a source familiar with Maclin said Wednesday a trip wasn’t scheduled.
Most important, whether Maclin sets foot on 1120 Harbor Bay Parkway isn’t of much help in determining the Raiders’ level of interest.
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Wednesday, April 8th, 2009 at 2:47 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Texas defensive end Brian Orakpo might be the most imposing physical specimen in the NFL draft.
He could be another DeMarcus Ware.
Or another Vernon Gholston.
Orakpo could be available when the Raiders choose at No. 7, and Al Davis is always on the lookout for a potentially explosive pass rusher.
Each player is scouted on his own merits, but you wonder whether scouts will take into account the track record of first-round draft picks out of the University of Texas when making the call on Orapko.
With only a few exceptions, the players out of Texas out of the last 10 years deemed the best pro prospects by virtue of their selection in the first round of the draft have underachieved.
The Raiders know this all too well, having used the No. 7 overall pick in the 2006 draft on safety Michael Huff, who went from disappointing to millimeters from bust status after washing out at free safety and losing his job to Hiram Eugene.
Huff was a slender strong safety who did some good things in coverage even if he seldom made plays. The switch to free safety was one of the big stories of training camp, with teammates talking about how natural Huff looked and what a difference he would make.
Instead, he was invisible.
The good news regarding the Longhorns is that the two players taken in the first round of the 2007 draft may have turned the tide on the unappealing Texas trend.
Huff isn’t alone in the Texas dishnor roll. A look at the good, bad and ugly of Texas draft picks over the past 10 years.
2007
1-19 Michael Griffin, S, Tennessee Titans: Named to Pro Bowl as an injury replacement this season. Looks like a winner.
1-20 Aaron Ross, CB, New York Giants: Six picks and 24 starts in his first two seasons _ a good beginning.
2006
1-3 Vince Young, QB, Tennessee Titans: Hasn’t showed the passing skill or the mental toughness to succeed at the NFL’s most demanding position.
1-7 Michael Huff, S, Oakland Raiders: Dangled as trade bait last year, hard to imagine getting anything substantial for him at this point.
2005
1-4-Cedric Benson, RB, Chicago Bears: A flop in Chicago, Benson has been of some value for the Bengals but nothing approaching his status as the fourth overall pick.
1-15 Derrick Johnson, LB, Kansas City Chiefs: Among the Chiefs leading tacklers since his arrival, but hasn’t been a game-altering presence. Will test skills in a 3-4 defense this year.
2004
1-7 Roy Williams, WR, Detroit Lions: Word is Davis may have pounced on Williams if he didn’t take Robert Gallery. Has had some big statistical years and was a Pro Bowl injury replacement with Detroit, now will be the main man in Dallas with Terrell Owens gone.
1-23, Marcus Tubbs, DT, Seattle Seahawks: Had four injury-riddled years before Seahawks gave up on him and released him following the 2008 season.
2002
1-4 Mike Williams, T, Buffalo Bills: Struggled with weight which broke 360 pounds, considered one of G.M. Tom Donahoe’s biggest mistakes. Last played with Jaguars in 2006.
1-5 Quintin Jammer, CB, San Diego Chargers: Chris Johnson may have made more plays since taking over for DeAngelo Hall than Jammer has made since he joined the Chargers. Average at best.
2001
1-2 Leonard Davis, G, Arizona Cardinals: Never became the player he was supposed to be with Cardinals but has flourished in Dallas, making the 2007 Pro Bowl.
1-19 Casey Hampton, NT, Pittsburgh: Despite weight and conditioning struggles, the man the call “Big Snack” made a 2003 Pro Bowl appearance and was an excellent addition to the center of a the NFL’s toughest 3-4 defense.
1999
1-5-Ricky Williams, RB, New Orleans Saints: Undeniable talent sidetracked by marijuana use.
Hold it on Maclin
For what it’s worth, a source familiar with Missouri wide receiver Jeremy Maclin says there are no plans in place to visit Oakland, contrary to a report on Raiderbeat.com and picked up by Profootballtalk.com.
The report cited confirmation from a “team official,” which ordinarily means something which has been cleared to be made public by either John Herrera or Mike Taylor. Not so in this case, because the Raiders haven’t publicly confirmed a single visitor to the complex with regard to prospective draft picks.
It doesn’t mean a Maclin visit isn’t happening, only that Raiders officials won’t confirm it as a matter of record and that a source familiar with Maclin said Wednesday a trip wasn’t scheduled.
Most important, whether Maclin sets foot on 1120 Harbor Bay Parkway isn’t of much help in determining the Raiders’ level of interest.
All 3 would be called busts in this order
1.JR
2. Smith
3. VY
by your standards, playing and showing a glimpse of what could have been goes for alex smith, he had a good much improved season under Norv Turner, and continued that until he got hurt week 4 vs seattle, we were 2-1 til then. As a Healthy starter (rookie year excluded, since ull do the same for JR)Alex went 9-10..... not too shabby for a young qb with not much talent around him......
"last time i saw JR on the field, i saw a young QB play and manage the game like a veteran. he PROGRESSED throughout the year "
same can be said about Alex
and how has Alex regressed? By throwing with a fucked up shoulder? lol @ that point......
Slandering VY and Alex Smith doesnt make your bust QB sound any better, but if your going to do it, at least get shit right.
1.JR
2. Smith
3. VY
by your standards, playing and showing a glimpse of what could have been goes for alex smith, he had a good much improved season under Norv Turner, and continued that until he got hurt week 4 vs seattle, we were 2-1 til then. As a Healthy starter (rookie year excluded, since ull do the same for JR)Alex went 9-10..... not too shabby for a young qb with not much talent around him......
"last time i saw JR on the field, i saw a young QB play and manage the game like a veteran. he PROGRESSED throughout the year "
same can be said about Alex
and how has Alex regressed? By throwing with a fucked up shoulder? lol @ that point......
Slandering VY and Alex Smith doesnt make your bust QB sound any better, but if your going to do it, at least get shit right.
what i was told here was ''excuses, excuses'' but raider fans get a pass cuz their soft? lol...as for time to show that j.r. to show hes abust why didnt A.S and V.Y get time? ...raider fans were ''disagreeing'' with mebefore this season evenhappend ewhich woulda beenafter his 2nd...yet im the '' hater'' lol quit it raido your better then this