The Official Golden State Warriors 2009-2010 Season

[VanD]

meta u keep talkin bout total points, thats not related to defense. thats the pace of the game.

the bulls arent a better defensive team just because they sit on the ball for 24 seconds every possession and hold teams under 100.

points differential is a better stat, but opponent field goal percent is an even better stat.

our biggest problem is rebounding, and right now without our centers is also protecting the rim. we are normally first or 2nd in blocks per game as a team. this year we are 29th or some shit.

the team has great potential for defense, we are athletic, active, and long. but nellie doesnt care and its not clear what the organization cares about, if anything.

but there are times when our defense shows up and can control the game, it hasnt happened often without our centers at the rim tho, but it is there. no azubuike is also a big hurt cuz we dont have any shooting guards except for useless morrow.

 

[D.I.R.B]

dude. if you score an average of 100 points a game, but lets say give up 103 a game thats a clear statistic that you need to step your D up. your opponents are constantly outscoring you. i *think* i am getting where youre coming from with your argument, but to say that it doesnt matter is stupid. it might be you getting out rebounded that leads to more points, not necessarily bad D, but still its a defensive stat (giving up more points than you score)

 

[Meta4iCAL]

dude. if you score an average of 100 points a game, but lets say give up 103 a game thats a clear statistic that you need to step your D up. your opponents are constantly outscoring you. i *think* i am getting where youre coming from with your argument, but to say that it doesnt matter is stupid. it might be you getting out rebounded that leads to more points, not necessarily bad D, but still its a defensive stat (giving up more points than you score)

exactly... we're scoring 107 a game and allowing 112... that says it right there

and I'm not talking about pure defensive skills... maybe I wasn't clear...

I'm considering being out rebounded part of bad defense... because a lack of rebounding allows the other team to score more points

you can sit here all day and say just because teams score a lot of points on us it doesn't matter... and that they only score more points because our games are fast paced... blah blah blah... but look at the stats... we're giving up 112 points a game on average... we are DEAD LAST in points allowed... and 3rd BEST in points scored...

that doesn't tell you anything???

of course Warriors games are gonna be high scoring games in general because of the fast paced style of play... but if you allow more points than any team in the NBA you're gonna lose a lot of games.. and I'm pretty sure the teams record shows that

 

[VanD]

points differential is a better stat, but opponent field goal percent is an even better stat.

u guys musta missed this part of my post. i never said we have great defense. i said we have potential for great defense and also said coaching dont care about it.

we are 27th in points differential, thats not good at all. and i still never said we was good at it. i just tried to explain the stats u are using are dumb and are an example of pace.

we allow 112 per game, the bulls allow 97 per game. going by ur pace stat u would think the bulls have better de than us.

yet the bulls are 28th in points differential since they only score 91.

it was never that i didnt agree with u, it was that i didnt agree with the stat u used. its a homer stat.

but if you allow more points than any team in the NBA you're gonna lose a lot of games.. and I'm pretty sure the teams record shows that

not if u score more than them. the suns lead the league in scoring but allow the 3rd most in points.

the suns allow 106 per game, so some homer that doesnt understand pace will think the suns have worse defense than some other team that only allows 90. but the suns are 10th in points differential, they score 109 per game and lead the league.

 

[VanD]

u guys are writing paragraph posts about points differential like its a new vocab word u havent learned yet.

i already been said, points differential is a better stat.

 

[Meta4iCAL]

ok point differential is a better stat... cool... I never said it wasn't... but you can't tell me total points allowed means nothing...

yeah.. the Suns are ranked 28th in points allowed... which is 106 per game... but they score 109 per game... look at that... that's why they win, they score more than they allow... the Warriors don't

but even in the Suns case...that's not a good way to play if you ask me...

the Suns have always been a high scoring team, and have always allowed a lot of points... and look where it's gotten them...

whatever though... this argument has gotten way off track... it really doesn't matter... the fact is the Warriors defense sucks... blame it on coaching, injuries, whatever you want... but it's not good... I don't think anyone is gonna deny that... that's really the only point I wanted to make... this other shit is bullshit

 

[VanD]

u guys musta missed this part of my post. i never said we have great defense. i said we have potential for great defense.

who is u arguing with?

all i tried to do was step ur knowledge up so u dont sound like a homer.

the suns and their success from their system is another story, they havent had a bench aside for barbosa and they havent had a good coach either. d'antoni's small ball crap is only slightly better than nellies, but its been proven by his entire career that it doesnt win. and yes i know d'antoni isnt their coach anymore, but its a bit early to talk about alvin gentry.

regardless of all that bull shit, which u correctly labeled it as, fuck the suns.

sell cohan, fire nelson/riley/rowell

 

[Meta4iCAL]

who is u arguing with?

all i tried to do was step ur knowledge up so u dont sound like a homer

you're not telling me some groundbreaking shit, but thanks anyways

and what does that have to do with being a homer??

I'm saying the team is not good on defense... I'm pointing out their flaws... how is that being a homer??

if I said the Warriors are really talented on defense and they're gonna turn shit around from this point on and make the playoffs... then I'd be a homer

I'm doing the opposite, lol

 

[VanD]

you're not telling me some groundbreaking shit, but thanks anyways

and what does that have to do with being a homer??

agreed, it sure isnt. most homer preventing facts are nowhere near groundbreaking.

a homer would use the example i already used about the warriors allowing 112, while comparing them to a team like the bulls who allow 97 but are worse in points differential.


anyways, enough of this bullshit meta.

we suck this year and we will suck for as long as nelson is coach. even if we had a chance at playoffs he would ruin it like he did our 54 win season.

but we have potential to be great. and monta is becoming a top 5 player in the league.

sell cohan/fire everyone

 

[VanD]

I'm doing the opposite, lol

propped for the punch line, it made me lul

 

[hella_numb]

monta top 5 player?

maybe top 25

 

[VanD]

monta is the fastest and quickest player in the league, fact.

monta is one of 4 or 5 players in the league averaging 20, 5, 4, fact.

monta has become a premier defender this year and has bodied much bigger players, such as roy, granger, carmelo, kobe. he completely shut down brandon roy, he messed granger up, and he only slowed kobe and carmelo as they are also top 5 players.

monta's numbers are similar to dwyane wade, except he shoots a higher percentage and gets more steals. wade has the edge in blocks.

i'd say this year that monta bumped down brandon roy.

the top 4 players are obviously kobe, lebron, wade, carmelo. and its tough to even order those 4.

then it gets debateable on who number 5 is.

and monta is becoming a top 5 player in the league.

and i said monta is on his way there. once he gets his turnovers more under control and earns respect from the refs it will be hard not to choose him as the #5.

 

[VanD]

maybe top 25

u continue to live up to the name "hella dumb"

 

[MrPeete]

Monta is actually my favorite player overall, but it's hard for me to even put him as #5 OVERALL in the league right now. Your criteria here only takes wing players into account so you're leaving out guys like CP3, Steve Nash (yes, I said Steve Nash), Yao (when healthy ... yeah I know, he's never healthy), Rajon Rondo (don't hate), etc ...

Let's see if Monta can carry them to some wins when Biedrins gets back. That's why folks was on Roy's sack, because he was leading his team to wins. Right now, Monta is just getting individual numbers without getting the Ws which is why he probably won't make the All-Star team as a reserve.

 

[VanD]

my criteria doesnt only take wing players into account

its the best overall of any position

kobe, lebron, carmelo, wade

those guys are in a league of their own in terms of dominance and complete skills, playing like league mvp

number 5 becomes debatable, but monta is on his way to the debate with his spectacular athleticism and insane rate of improvement.

 

[VanD]

steve nash is an mvp, and if he carries his team to the playoffs while leading the league in assists he could have another chance at mvp this year. but he still isnt on that tier of players with kobe, bron, wade, melo when talking about overall rating. nash is a defensive liability.

CP3 should be up there but he's in a similar situation as Monta, with a losing team. he isnt the clear cut number 5 guy.

and if u say CP3 then u need to say D-Will. these guys are freaks of the same position and same class. i think D-Will is more dominant, his offense is much better than Paul's. he is a stronger defender too.

Kevin Durant is growing into a superstar and is a scoring monster. he needs to improve a little more rounded to make it into tier 1 with kobe, but he has a similar chance as Monta to get to that level. they both have a similar time table pending any setbacks.

Brandon Roy is up there and last year was the clear number 5 guy, dominating games and winning for his team but this year the blazers have been injured and Roy wasnt the same from the start. he was still good but not on that same level.

Yao is the best overall center right now but if he cant stay healthy he is useless.

D12 is a monster presence but his offense is lacking a lot. his moves are alley oops and putbacks. he has amatuer post game and no shot.

CB4 is more complete than D12, but the raptors are wack every year. he lacks strength to guard true centers and even large power forwards.

Dirk is soft and loses big games, i'd say him and CB4 are close in rating. but Bosh has more potential and is younger/healthier.

Duncan is still a great player, very solid and very complete. but they havent won recently and he was only "dominant" for a brief period.



most if not all of these players are ahead of Monta probably but Monta is on his way quickly. he is more dominant at times than some of these players on this list. he is more complete already than some of the players on this list.

Monta does just about everything well, some things great, and he improves every year on the things he needs to improve.

if ur gonna question some of his decisions and turnovers, everybody makes mistakes and most of these players are also in the leaders for turnovers. thats what happens when u are the main focus and always have the ball, shit happens. that includes tier 1 players all near the top of the league in turnovers.

once Monta gets similar respect from refs, his turnovers wont lead the league, they will be in the more normal range of 3ish

 

[VanD]

o i forgot to talk about rondo.

rondo is a sleeper and on his way to greatness but if monta and rondo were switched, monta would easily be ahead of rondo. rondo still has some polishing to do on his game but he is improving at a very rapid rate as well as monta.

rondo is closing the gap to the level of CP3 and Dwill for point guards, but rondo is kinda like tony parker in the sense that they dont shoot very well but know that and play effectively. rondo still has potential for a shot tho, and is more athletic than parker.

Joe Johnson is worth a mention as an underrated solid overall player... since i busted out a list of players

i have no bias towards any of these players, i'm just callin it how it looks

 

[MrPeete]

Overall rating? What are you talking about? NBA 2K10? :lick:

The league cares about one thing: Wins

So what if Steve Nash is a defensive liability. That man is responsible for 75% of his teams offense. I made that number up, but it's probably something crazy like that.

So what if Rondo can't shoot (perfect time for me to bring this up as he choked the game away last night, lol), this cat was pretty much single handedly winning playoff games last year.

Too much fantasy sports got people thinking that they can measure EVERY attribute and somehow find a way that it impacts the game.

No.

You can't measure decision making with a number. Assist to turnover ration doesn't do that. You can't measure will with a number. +/- doesn't do that. You can't measure twitch reflexes with a number.

All that said, Monta IS taking those steps to get there. He's definitely on his way.

 

[andrizzaayy]

don't know if its been posted but heres a good article on J-Rich about the dubs. Almost brought a tear to my eye.

http://www.mercurynews.com/warriors/ci_14071714?nclick_check=1

Phoenix Suns' Jason Richardson questions Golden State Warriors' plan following magical playoff run

By Marcus Thompson II
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Posted: 12/25/2009 08:42:03 PM PST
Updated: 12/26/2009 04:15:11 AM PST


Phoenix Suns guard Jason Richardson keeps in touch with several of his former Warriors teammates. Stephen Jackson, in fact, has been staying in Richardson's home in Charlotte, N.C.
Usually when Richardson and his ex-teammates talk, the conversation turns to the Warriors. And that's when they usually scratch their heads.
"It's crazy what's going on over there," Richardson, 28, said in a telephone interview. "They really went from being great to going back to the same ol' Warriors."
Tonight, when the Warriors host the Suns, Richardson returns to an arena that he helped turn into a phenomenon and will face the team he helped lift from doormat to playoff Cinderella during the 2006-07 season.
Richardson was traded by the Warriors on draft day 2007. He has been on two teams since leaving the Warriors. He now is a starting guard for a Suns team that is in the mix for one of the top four Western Conference seeds in the 2010 playoffs.
Still, he can't help but be befuddled by the franchise he played for during his first six NBA seasons.
Along with several other former Warriors who helped pull off arguably the biggest upset in playoff history by knocking off the Dallas Mavericks in the first round of the 2007 playoffs, Richardson can't help but wonder what could have been.
"That's the crazy part," said Richardson, who is averaging 15.6 points and 5.0 rebounds per game this season. "We didn't get the chance. That team together,
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in two months (after acquiring Jackson and Al Harrington in January 2007), made history. It would've been scary had that team been together a whole year and had a training camp together.
"I kind of feel bad for the fans. They had a playoff experience. They had a good team. They had so much potential. Now, it's almost back to my first three or four years there."
Richardson, though, said he isn't surprised by one thing: Monta Ellis. His former Golden State teammate is averaging 25 points, 5.0 assists and 2.36 steals in 40.9 minutes per game this season. He has established himself as the face of the Warriors franchise and has garnered All-Star talk.
"He's the man," Richardson said of Ellis. "You saw it in him when he first came in. All that hard work he put in, it's definitely paying off. You definitely could tell he was going to be effective. The time was going to come when he was going to be a star in this league."
Despite a 7-21 record this season, the Warriors are headed in the right direction, Richardson said, pointing to talented youngsters Ellis, Anthony Randolph and Stephen Curry.
Richardson also didn't rule out a return to Golden State as a veteran role player when his current contract expires after the 2010-11 season. He said he is learning a lot from Suns teammates Steve Nash, 35, and Grant Hill, 37, about how to prolong a career with proper eating, regular exercise and a healthy lifestyle.
He said he wouldn't be able to be the J-Rich of old, but he wouldn't mind the opportunity to play before what he calls the best fans in the league.
"I do miss being in that arena with the fans, being a part of that environment," Richardson said. "Phoenix has great fans, but I don't think they're as rowdy as the fans in the bay."

 

[DubbC415]

if monta isnt an all star im going to kill someone