The Official Golden State Warriors 2009-2010 Season
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if randolph is traded it will likely be in a package with maggette to make salary work for a trade
1 possibility is chris bosh, if toronto cant re-sign him they will likely look to trade him
another is boozer. id rather stay away from boozer as he's a moody, injury prone guy that cares more about money than winning. not saying he sucks, but he has baggage. and bosh is obviously better.
1 possibility is chris bosh, if toronto cant re-sign him they will likely look to trade him
another is boozer. id rather stay away from boozer as he's a moody, injury prone guy that cares more about money than winning. not saying he sucks, but he has baggage. and bosh is obviously better.
PANIC TIME IN WARRIORSLAND! Yippee. Always the most entertaining time of year, if not the most conducive to Warriors’ short-term or future success…
Just checked in with an NBA source who 100% confirmed everything that Marcus Thompson II and Yahoo’s Adrian Wojnarowski have been reporting:
The Warriors have put Anthony Randolph (and everybody else) on the trade market to see what they can get.
You know the Warriors: They’ll ALWAYS make the best deals possible! (Belinelli for George; Harrington for Crawford; Crawford for Claxton and Law. Wonderful.)
In fact, the source emphasized that Randolph is absolutely being shopped, but also pointed out that Randolph is edging closer to extension time and that his continued erratic play (whoever’s fault) has many league execs concerned.
So, in typical Warriors’ fashion, they’ve managed to both alienate and reduce their No. 1 prospect’s value more swiftly than any other franchise could possibly achieve.
Congratulations, Warriors, you’ve done it again! Just brilliant. Geez, you wonder how they could possibly miss the playoffs 15 out of 16 Cohan seasons…
This team has no plan or goal, no set philosophy or principles, other than to make Cohan as much money as possible by tricking Warriors fans into buying as many tickets as possible, and if the team wins games along the way, it’s purely by accident.
And the team rarely wins that many games, as Rowell and Cohan chuckle to themselves. Makes them look even smarter!
All this team does is react: Criticism over the summer? Shamelessly pump up Randolph, Curry and Morrow as future All-Stars!
Lose games? Blame the media! Drop in ticket sales? PANIC! Trade everybody! Blame everybody! Order it up: YOU MUST BUY TIX OR ELSE WE TRADE THE KID.
If Randolph (and the Warriors’ future) must be sacrificed to sell tickets, then so be it. Better solution than firing Rowell or something crazy like that.
FYI: Randolph is 20, probably desperately wants to be traded (and has wanted it for a year now), and could turn into a star within a year or two, presuming he is far, far away from the Warriors when it happens.
* Why would the Warriors consider trading Randolph–loudly proclaimed to be a future superstar by Warriors PR mavens just a few months ago–right now?
Well, the 7-17 record is one thing. Even Bobby R. and his Cast of Shills can’t be pleased with that, especially as it relates to future ticket-purchasing.
The Warriors, as recently reported, are down 22.3% in ticket-revenues from last year and already have drawn three smaller crowds than the smallest crowd of last year.
It could get dramatically worse as we head into January-February. It could flat-line. Chris Cohan’s bank account will not be suffuse with 2010 money, it is safe to say.
Warriors fans are incredibly forgiving, but even they might not shower love and kindness on a team that, according to my buddy Hollinger, has a .5% chance of making the playoffs.
That’s after only 24 games. That’s less than 30% of the season. (They’re on pace for 24 wins, by the way.)
And that .5% actually probably a little high. As long as the Warriors are owned by Cohan and run by Rowell, this is a .1% team.
* The Warriors front office needs to fill seats. It’s desperation time for them. Cohan is losing money–yes, you heard it right, he is LOSING money. Which he does not like.
So if Rowell-Riley-Nelson can put together a deal that trades away their headache in Randolph and excites the populace just a little by adding a big name, they’ll jump at it.
The trouble is figuring out that big name, since every big name that’s available comes with baggage and question marks.
* What can the Warriors get for any package involving Randolph?
You know the first call they made was to Toronto, since Don Nelson would love to have Chris Bosh. But I just don’t see the Raptors mailing it in on Bosh quite yet even though he’s a free agent this summer.
Plus, it’d take a lot more than Randolph to pry loose Bosh at this point–maybe Stephen Curry as an add-on, maybe Anthony Morrow–and how could Larry Riley plausibly support that deal knowing Bosh would be EXTREMELY unlikely to re-sign with the Warriors this summer.
One league source pointed me to Memphis and Rudy Gay as a possible match for Randolph (two headaches, swapped for each other?), but again, it’s the same problem: Gay is a restricted FA this summer.
Why in the world would he want to re-up with a franchise as disaster-prone as the Warriors?
I’ve also heard Miami mentioned as a possible trade partner with the Warriors, but much of that involves the Heat’s potential interest in Andris Biedrins, who is likely a part of any big Warriors’ proposal.
Biedrins isn’t very interested in sticking around and they’d need his $9M salary to make the money work if they’re acquiring another big salary.
The Warriors of course could re-visit the tentative deal last summer with Phoenix, when the Warriors pulled out of a deal for Amare Stoudemire when Curry fell into their laps in the draft.
Could the Warriors put Curry back into the deal (with Biedrins and a few others) and get Amare? But Stoudemire also can be an unrestricted FA this summer and DOES NOT WANT TO PLAY FOR THE WARRIORS.
And Phoenix might ask for Curry and Randolph in such a deal. For a rental. Yikes.
* Why does Randolph want out? Lots of reasons, mostly centered on the franchise silliness and his own stubbornness.
Short-hand: If you’re Randolph and get screamed at and yanked out of games for fitful play, how does it feel to see Corey Maggette float around and jack up clangers from 3-point land without any consequence?
* It’s a bit ironic that the guy the Warriors might decide they have to keep now is Monta Ellis, who they shopped a few weeks ago–AND LOUDLY DENIED SO IT MUST BE TRUE!
He does sell tickets. He might not quite fit into anything long-term with the Warriors, and he might want out (he does, sorry Ralph), but Ellis is the most exciting sales point for a team that’s doomed to 25 to 30 wins into perpetuity.
And Rowell and Cohan don’t believe in building an elite team. They believe in building a team that makes them money.
Ellis still has a chance to make them money, even if Ellis, too, would prefer to get the hell out of here. Keeper! (Until they ruin his value, too.)
* Must be oodles of pride emanating from Warriors headquarters: SI.com just named them the worst NBA organization of the decade.
So deserving!
* Sounds like the main potential buyer remains Larry Ellison, if Cohan finally admits that he has to sell.
But Cohan is stubborn. He’ll try to hold out for $400M (ridiculously high asking price for a franchise Forbes just valued at $315M). Ellison won’t pay any stupid Cohan Premium.
And so the standoff continues.
* Hey, wait, the good times have arrived: Don Nelson’s back for tomorrow’s home game against San Antonio.
Keith Smart went 3-7 in two separate five-game fill-ins (8 were road games) in Nelson’s grand absence.
* I always mean to do a separate item on this, but it’ll have to be the tag to this one:
The Warriors shills can’t shut up about this “injury-depleted team,” as if it’s the only excuse necessary to prove the internal true greatness of this 7-17 team.
But as Steinmetz pointed out weeks ago: You can’t really cry about your injuries when you knowingly acquired three injured players (Devean George, Speedy Claxton and Raja Bell) SOLELY because they have expiring contracts.
The Warriors gave up Marco Belinelli, Jamal Crawford and Stephen Jackson for those players. All healthy.
And I’m lectured again and again about how those hurt expirings will be packaged together for some great trade and I’ll look silly.
I think Cohan and Rowell mainly plan to let the expiring contracts… expire… and lower their payroll for 2010-’11. Doesn’t mean they won’t trade the expirings if the right deal comes along, but Cohan/Rowell essentially want the deals to come off the cap.
They want to play their fans for suckers, basically. They’ve played them for suckers for years now.
Yeah, keep buying tickets. This is a great time out.
Just checked in with an NBA source who 100% confirmed everything that Marcus Thompson II and Yahoo’s Adrian Wojnarowski have been reporting:
The Warriors have put Anthony Randolph (and everybody else) on the trade market to see what they can get.
You know the Warriors: They’ll ALWAYS make the best deals possible! (Belinelli for George; Harrington for Crawford; Crawford for Claxton and Law. Wonderful.)
In fact, the source emphasized that Randolph is absolutely being shopped, but also pointed out that Randolph is edging closer to extension time and that his continued erratic play (whoever’s fault) has many league execs concerned.
So, in typical Warriors’ fashion, they’ve managed to both alienate and reduce their No. 1 prospect’s value more swiftly than any other franchise could possibly achieve.
Congratulations, Warriors, you’ve done it again! Just brilliant. Geez, you wonder how they could possibly miss the playoffs 15 out of 16 Cohan seasons…
This team has no plan or goal, no set philosophy or principles, other than to make Cohan as much money as possible by tricking Warriors fans into buying as many tickets as possible, and if the team wins games along the way, it’s purely by accident.
And the team rarely wins that many games, as Rowell and Cohan chuckle to themselves. Makes them look even smarter!
All this team does is react: Criticism over the summer? Shamelessly pump up Randolph, Curry and Morrow as future All-Stars!
Lose games? Blame the media! Drop in ticket sales? PANIC! Trade everybody! Blame everybody! Order it up: YOU MUST BUY TIX OR ELSE WE TRADE THE KID.
If Randolph (and the Warriors’ future) must be sacrificed to sell tickets, then so be it. Better solution than firing Rowell or something crazy like that.
FYI: Randolph is 20, probably desperately wants to be traded (and has wanted it for a year now), and could turn into a star within a year or two, presuming he is far, far away from the Warriors when it happens.
* Why would the Warriors consider trading Randolph–loudly proclaimed to be a future superstar by Warriors PR mavens just a few months ago–right now?
Well, the 7-17 record is one thing. Even Bobby R. and his Cast of Shills can’t be pleased with that, especially as it relates to future ticket-purchasing.
The Warriors, as recently reported, are down 22.3% in ticket-revenues from last year and already have drawn three smaller crowds than the smallest crowd of last year.
It could get dramatically worse as we head into January-February. It could flat-line. Chris Cohan’s bank account will not be suffuse with 2010 money, it is safe to say.
Warriors fans are incredibly forgiving, but even they might not shower love and kindness on a team that, according to my buddy Hollinger, has a .5% chance of making the playoffs.
That’s after only 24 games. That’s less than 30% of the season. (They’re on pace for 24 wins, by the way.)
And that .5% actually probably a little high. As long as the Warriors are owned by Cohan and run by Rowell, this is a .1% team.
* The Warriors front office needs to fill seats. It’s desperation time for them. Cohan is losing money–yes, you heard it right, he is LOSING money. Which he does not like.
So if Rowell-Riley-Nelson can put together a deal that trades away their headache in Randolph and excites the populace just a little by adding a big name, they’ll jump at it.
The trouble is figuring out that big name, since every big name that’s available comes with baggage and question marks.
* What can the Warriors get for any package involving Randolph?
You know the first call they made was to Toronto, since Don Nelson would love to have Chris Bosh. But I just don’t see the Raptors mailing it in on Bosh quite yet even though he’s a free agent this summer.
Plus, it’d take a lot more than Randolph to pry loose Bosh at this point–maybe Stephen Curry as an add-on, maybe Anthony Morrow–and how could Larry Riley plausibly support that deal knowing Bosh would be EXTREMELY unlikely to re-sign with the Warriors this summer.
One league source pointed me to Memphis and Rudy Gay as a possible match for Randolph (two headaches, swapped for each other?), but again, it’s the same problem: Gay is a restricted FA this summer.
Why in the world would he want to re-up with a franchise as disaster-prone as the Warriors?
I’ve also heard Miami mentioned as a possible trade partner with the Warriors, but much of that involves the Heat’s potential interest in Andris Biedrins, who is likely a part of any big Warriors’ proposal.
Biedrins isn’t very interested in sticking around and they’d need his $9M salary to make the money work if they’re acquiring another big salary.
The Warriors of course could re-visit the tentative deal last summer with Phoenix, when the Warriors pulled out of a deal for Amare Stoudemire when Curry fell into their laps in the draft.
Could the Warriors put Curry back into the deal (with Biedrins and a few others) and get Amare? But Stoudemire also can be an unrestricted FA this summer and DOES NOT WANT TO PLAY FOR THE WARRIORS.
And Phoenix might ask for Curry and Randolph in such a deal. For a rental. Yikes.
* Why does Randolph want out? Lots of reasons, mostly centered on the franchise silliness and his own stubbornness.
Short-hand: If you’re Randolph and get screamed at and yanked out of games for fitful play, how does it feel to see Corey Maggette float around and jack up clangers from 3-point land without any consequence?
* It’s a bit ironic that the guy the Warriors might decide they have to keep now is Monta Ellis, who they shopped a few weeks ago–AND LOUDLY DENIED SO IT MUST BE TRUE!
He does sell tickets. He might not quite fit into anything long-term with the Warriors, and he might want out (he does, sorry Ralph), but Ellis is the most exciting sales point for a team that’s doomed to 25 to 30 wins into perpetuity.
And Rowell and Cohan don’t believe in building an elite team. They believe in building a team that makes them money.
Ellis still has a chance to make them money, even if Ellis, too, would prefer to get the hell out of here. Keeper! (Until they ruin his value, too.)
* Must be oodles of pride emanating from Warriors headquarters: SI.com just named them the worst NBA organization of the decade.
So deserving!
* Sounds like the main potential buyer remains Larry Ellison, if Cohan finally admits that he has to sell.
But Cohan is stubborn. He’ll try to hold out for $400M (ridiculously high asking price for a franchise Forbes just valued at $315M). Ellison won’t pay any stupid Cohan Premium.
And so the standoff continues.
* Hey, wait, the good times have arrived: Don Nelson’s back for tomorrow’s home game against San Antonio.
Keith Smart went 3-7 in two separate five-game fill-ins (8 were road games) in Nelson’s grand absence.
* I always mean to do a separate item on this, but it’ll have to be the tag to this one:
The Warriors shills can’t shut up about this “injury-depleted team,” as if it’s the only excuse necessary to prove the internal true greatness of this 7-17 team.
But as Steinmetz pointed out weeks ago: You can’t really cry about your injuries when you knowingly acquired three injured players (Devean George, Speedy Claxton and Raja Bell) SOLELY because they have expiring contracts.
The Warriors gave up Marco Belinelli, Jamal Crawford and Stephen Jackson for those players. All healthy.
And I’m lectured again and again about how those hurt expirings will be packaged together for some great trade and I’ll look silly.
I think Cohan and Rowell mainly plan to let the expiring contracts… expire… and lower their payroll for 2010-’11. Doesn’t mean they won’t trade the expirings if the right deal comes along, but Cohan/Rowell essentially want the deals to come off the cap.
They want to play their fans for suckers, basically. They’ve played them for suckers for years now.
Yeah, keep buying tickets. This is a great time out.
that article looks long but its a good read and is double spaced so its not quite as long as it looks.
and at least AL wants to win, he just doesnt know how.
Cohan just wants money.
so i'd say Warriors are worse, it all starts with team management.
on a side note, someone once called me out in a warriors thread saying who the hell is rowell, well there u go dickhead, i was correct, even while high and unsure after being questioned.
SELL COHAN, FIRE NELSON/RILEY/ROWELL
and at least AL wants to win, he just doesnt know how.
Cohan just wants money.
so i'd say Warriors are worse, it all starts with team management.
on a side note, someone once called me out in a warriors thread saying who the hell is rowell, well there u go dickhead, i was correct, even while high and unsure after being questioned.
SELL COHAN, FIRE NELSON/RILEY/ROWELL
i seen nellie say some shit but didnt catch it then seen randolph lookin pissed as fuck
i wish watson had shot more, he was a little too passive. nobody else helped ellis and maggette score, watson had 11.
randolph was decent tonight, now he is playing for trade value, maybe he will get it together in hopes he gets a new team
i wish watson had shot more, he was a little too passive. nobody else helped ellis and maggette score, watson had 11.
randolph was decent tonight, now he is playing for trade value, maybe he will get it together in hopes he gets a new team