The Official Golden State Warriors 2009-2010 Season
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not having a center is the bigger prob, moore and hunter got abused last night.
we got outscored 24-2 in the paint, in the first quarter!
but really, it was a bad game all around. they happen to every team. especially an injury depleted half team of guys playing 40+ minutes every night.
the sixers being losers of 12 straight means they are more likely to win than lose, especially against a mediocre team like ours.
we got outscored 24-2 in the paint, in the first quarter!
but really, it was a bad game all around. they happen to every team. especially an injury depleted half team of guys playing 40+ minutes every night.
the sixers being losers of 12 straight means they are more likely to win than lose, especially against a mediocre team like ours.
Nobody On Warriors Untouchable
By Marcus Thompson
Tuesday, December 15th, 2009 at 1:15 pm in Uncategorized.
Did some digging after YahooSports! Ruined my flight back home after a 10-day, five-game road trip with news about the Warriors shopping Randolph (C’mon, Woj!). According to a team source, and a few sources from other teams, Randolph is on the block.
Just a few weeks ago — when all the drama about Monta Ellis’ agent meeting with the team to potentially discuss a trade — I was told by a trusted team source that Randolph, along with rookie guard Stephen Curry and second-year shooting guard Anthony Morrow, were all untouchable. Now, I’m told by a Warriors insider that no one is untouchable. Everyone is on the market.
Even Randolph, the potential-laden second-year man the Warriors touted as the centerpiece of their young core.
Even Curry, the prized No. 7 pick who the Warriors coveted so much they reportedly passed on Amare Stoudemire
Even Ellis, who perhaps could become the Warriors first All-Star since 1997.
I will say this with certainty – Randolph would welcome a trade. He would be none short of happy. I’ve heard that from several people close to him.
Why the change in plan?
Several factors. The primary one, I think, is that the team is underperforming, especially Randolph. Certainly, his attitude and lack of attention to detail has worn thin. It was expected that with Nellie out of the picture for five games, Smart — who has been working with Randolph one-on-one since he came into the league — would play Randolph. The fact that Smart didn’t, instead started Vladimir Radmanovic over Randolph and even played Chris Hunter ahead of Randolph on occasion, suggests Randolph is running out of allies in the organization.
From Randolph’s perspective, how could he flourish when he is so handcuffed? Certainly, from the outside looking in, he is held to a different standard than the other players. His mistakes get him yanked, and others’ don’t. His poor shots reduce his minutes, while others get to chuck away unimpeded. When he doesn’t rebound, it’s problem. But the Warriors are the worst-rebounding team in the league, so clearly he isn’t the only one not rebounding.
Randolph lately had been trying to tone down his game, and the results show in his lack of turnovers, which assuredly he thought would get him more time (when I asked him about it, he just gave me a look and dished out the company line).
Perhaps GM Larry Riley sees the impasse and concluded that it would be best for everyone to if they found him a new home, especially if he can help them get the difference maker they covet. And they still have Brandan Wright in tow, who is ahead of Randolph in the eyes of some on the Warriors’ staff.
One Eastern Conference executive told me Randolph isn’t the hot commodity he once was. He’s closer to a big payday but not closer to maxing out the potential he’s known for having. His attitude and effort cause concerns, too.
There was no question Curry was untouchable. Nelson and Riley said it publicly. But Curry’s struggles in the first month-plus and the rise of Ellis no doubt made Riley realize he can indeed live without Curry. I’m told they still want Curry and really like him as a player and person. But if he can help them get somebody they want, they are now willing to do it.
I still think they don’t want to trade Morrow. He doesn’t appear to have the upside Randolph has, but they love his work ethic, his attitude and his special gift.
There is also this: putting everybody on the table could mean Riley has been striking out. Three of his key pawns are hurt (Biedrins, Wright, Azubuike), two out for the year. If he is going to lure an Amare Stoudemire, a David West, a Chris Bosh, a Caron Butler or whoever, he probably learned it’s going to take more.
But why Ellis in the mix?
His trade value will likely never be higher. You almost have to see what he gets you, right?
But an Ellis trade is risky. His current play is only showing you need multiple stars. Why consider giving up the one sure one you have? Seems they did that already. (Imagine Baron and Monta together now)
To be sure, though, when you’re 7-17, the smart thing to do is to investigate every possible move.
By Marcus Thompson
Tuesday, December 15th, 2009 at 1:15 pm in Uncategorized.
Did some digging after YahooSports! Ruined my flight back home after a 10-day, five-game road trip with news about the Warriors shopping Randolph (C’mon, Woj!). According to a team source, and a few sources from other teams, Randolph is on the block.
Just a few weeks ago — when all the drama about Monta Ellis’ agent meeting with the team to potentially discuss a trade — I was told by a trusted team source that Randolph, along with rookie guard Stephen Curry and second-year shooting guard Anthony Morrow, were all untouchable. Now, I’m told by a Warriors insider that no one is untouchable. Everyone is on the market.
Even Randolph, the potential-laden second-year man the Warriors touted as the centerpiece of their young core.
Even Curry, the prized No. 7 pick who the Warriors coveted so much they reportedly passed on Amare Stoudemire
Even Ellis, who perhaps could become the Warriors first All-Star since 1997.
I will say this with certainty – Randolph would welcome a trade. He would be none short of happy. I’ve heard that from several people close to him.
Why the change in plan?
Several factors. The primary one, I think, is that the team is underperforming, especially Randolph. Certainly, his attitude and lack of attention to detail has worn thin. It was expected that with Nellie out of the picture for five games, Smart — who has been working with Randolph one-on-one since he came into the league — would play Randolph. The fact that Smart didn’t, instead started Vladimir Radmanovic over Randolph and even played Chris Hunter ahead of Randolph on occasion, suggests Randolph is running out of allies in the organization.
From Randolph’s perspective, how could he flourish when he is so handcuffed? Certainly, from the outside looking in, he is held to a different standard than the other players. His mistakes get him yanked, and others’ don’t. His poor shots reduce his minutes, while others get to chuck away unimpeded. When he doesn’t rebound, it’s problem. But the Warriors are the worst-rebounding team in the league, so clearly he isn’t the only one not rebounding.
Randolph lately had been trying to tone down his game, and the results show in his lack of turnovers, which assuredly he thought would get him more time (when I asked him about it, he just gave me a look and dished out the company line).
Perhaps GM Larry Riley sees the impasse and concluded that it would be best for everyone to if they found him a new home, especially if he can help them get the difference maker they covet. And they still have Brandan Wright in tow, who is ahead of Randolph in the eyes of some on the Warriors’ staff.
One Eastern Conference executive told me Randolph isn’t the hot commodity he once was. He’s closer to a big payday but not closer to maxing out the potential he’s known for having. His attitude and effort cause concerns, too.
There was no question Curry was untouchable. Nelson and Riley said it publicly. But Curry’s struggles in the first month-plus and the rise of Ellis no doubt made Riley realize he can indeed live without Curry. I’m told they still want Curry and really like him as a player and person. But if he can help them get somebody they want, they are now willing to do it.
I still think they don’t want to trade Morrow. He doesn’t appear to have the upside Randolph has, but they love his work ethic, his attitude and his special gift.
There is also this: putting everybody on the table could mean Riley has been striking out. Three of his key pawns are hurt (Biedrins, Wright, Azubuike), two out for the year. If he is going to lure an Amare Stoudemire, a David West, a Chris Bosh, a Caron Butler or whoever, he probably learned it’s going to take more.
But why Ellis in the mix?
His trade value will likely never be higher. You almost have to see what he gets you, right?
But an Ellis trade is risky. His current play is only showing you need multiple stars. Why consider giving up the one sure one you have? Seems they did that already. (Imagine Baron and Monta together now)
To be sure, though, when you’re 7-17, the smart thing to do is to investigate every possible move.
it just keep getting better....
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The Warriors just got smaller.
The team announced on Wednesday morning that Mikki Moore, the starting center for much of the season, will be out indefinitely because he is having surgery later this week to have bone spurs removed from his right heel.
The Warriors are already shorthanded at the center position. They've been without Andris Biedrins (back) and Ronny Turiaf (knee) for much the season.
Moore, who was acquired as a free agent in the offseason, has started 20 of the Warriors' 23 games this season, averaging 5.0 points and 3.0 rebounds per game.
There is no timetable for the return of Biedrins or Turiaf, although both are said to be getting closer and could play within the next week or two. Biedrins and Turiaf accompanied the team on their recent five-game road trip, with Biedrins doing on-court work during that time.
if there is ever a time for Randolph to step up and prove his critics wrong its now
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The Warriors just got smaller.
The team announced on Wednesday morning that Mikki Moore, the starting center for much of the season, will be out indefinitely because he is having surgery later this week to have bone spurs removed from his right heel.
The Warriors are already shorthanded at the center position. They've been without Andris Biedrins (back) and Ronny Turiaf (knee) for much the season.
Moore, who was acquired as a free agent in the offseason, has started 20 of the Warriors' 23 games this season, averaging 5.0 points and 3.0 rebounds per game.
There is no timetable for the return of Biedrins or Turiaf, although both are said to be getting closer and could play within the next week or two. Biedrins and Turiaf accompanied the team on their recent five-game road trip, with Biedrins doing on-court work during that time.
if there is ever a time for Randolph to step up and prove his critics wrong its now
lil moore (get it) info
Mikki Moore Succumbs to Bone Spurs – Finally
By Marcus Thompson
Wednesday, December 16th, 2009 at 12:53 pm in Uncategorized.
He held on as long as he could, but center Mikki Moore is now going to have surgery to repair bone spurs in his right heal. The Warriors are down three centers.
Could that mean Anthony Randolph is back in the starting lineup? Nelson said he would lean on Randolph more. Remember, the last time he played at home, Randolph set a career high against Dwight Howard.
We first reported this back on Dec. 1. Mikki told me the bone spur was causing him significant pain as it was digging into his Achilles tendon. He said that was the reason his dunks were getting blocked (like it did at Philadelphia) because he couldn’t jump without pain. He knew then it would take surgery to fix the problem, which has plagued him since last season. But Moore said he would deal with the pain and the limited mobility because he didn’t want to leave the injuy-depleted Warriors even more depleted.
MOORE SAID THEN: “I can’t do my guys like that.”
I wasn’t at shootaround. That honor went to my man Curtis Pashelka. Moore wasn’t at shootaround, either, but Pashelka learned that Moore was checked out back East yesterday and is now scheduled to have surgery this week, probably Friday. No word on why Moore is having the surgery now. He probably learned something during that evaluation, or maybe the pain was becoming to much to bear. Either way, the Warriors are now more depleted.
Since the top two centers, Andris Biedrins and Ronny Turiaf, are not back yet — Biedrins’ expected six-week recovery from Osteitis Pubis is up next week, but Nellie said at shootaround that Biedrins and Turiaf aren’t any closer — the loss of Moore likely means more minutes for Anthony Randolph and D-League call-up Chris Hunter. Nelli likes Hunter, especially at home, and he’s been playing Randolph at center primarily. One of those two should start tonight against San Antonio, with Vladimir Radmanovic at PF and Anthony Morrow at SF. That leaves the bench with just forward Corey Maggette, guard C.J. Watson and either Randolph or Hunter.Nellie didn’t say who would start at shootaround today, but he said Randolph should play more. Nelson added that Hunter had bone spurs, too, that weren’t getting better. But Hunter told Pashelka he felt fine.
Actually, now that I think about it, it wouldn’t surprise me at all if Nellie started Ellis, Curry, Morrow and Watson with Radmanovic guarding Tim Duncan!
Moore stated 20 of the 23 games, but played limited minutes (17.7 per). He said once he got cold, it was hard for him to get going again because of his aching foot. Mikki gave them minutes, a little leadership and a steady midrange jumper. He went 20 of 28 on the road trip and is shooting 60 percent from the field.
Mikki Moore Succumbs to Bone Spurs – Finally
By Marcus Thompson
Wednesday, December 16th, 2009 at 12:53 pm in Uncategorized.
He held on as long as he could, but center Mikki Moore is now going to have surgery to repair bone spurs in his right heal. The Warriors are down three centers.
Could that mean Anthony Randolph is back in the starting lineup? Nelson said he would lean on Randolph more. Remember, the last time he played at home, Randolph set a career high against Dwight Howard.
We first reported this back on Dec. 1. Mikki told me the bone spur was causing him significant pain as it was digging into his Achilles tendon. He said that was the reason his dunks were getting blocked (like it did at Philadelphia) because he couldn’t jump without pain. He knew then it would take surgery to fix the problem, which has plagued him since last season. But Moore said he would deal with the pain and the limited mobility because he didn’t want to leave the injuy-depleted Warriors even more depleted.
MOORE SAID THEN: “I can’t do my guys like that.”
I wasn’t at shootaround. That honor went to my man Curtis Pashelka. Moore wasn’t at shootaround, either, but Pashelka learned that Moore was checked out back East yesterday and is now scheduled to have surgery this week, probably Friday. No word on why Moore is having the surgery now. He probably learned something during that evaluation, or maybe the pain was becoming to much to bear. Either way, the Warriors are now more depleted.
Since the top two centers, Andris Biedrins and Ronny Turiaf, are not back yet — Biedrins’ expected six-week recovery from Osteitis Pubis is up next week, but Nellie said at shootaround that Biedrins and Turiaf aren’t any closer — the loss of Moore likely means more minutes for Anthony Randolph and D-League call-up Chris Hunter. Nelli likes Hunter, especially at home, and he’s been playing Randolph at center primarily. One of those two should start tonight against San Antonio, with Vladimir Radmanovic at PF and Anthony Morrow at SF. That leaves the bench with just forward Corey Maggette, guard C.J. Watson and either Randolph or Hunter.Nellie didn’t say who would start at shootaround today, but he said Randolph should play more. Nelson added that Hunter had bone spurs, too, that weren’t getting better. But Hunter told Pashelka he felt fine.
Actually, now that I think about it, it wouldn’t surprise me at all if Nellie started Ellis, Curry, Morrow and Watson with Radmanovic guarding Tim Duncan!
Moore stated 20 of the 23 games, but played limited minutes (17.7 per). He said once he got cold, it was hard for him to get going again because of his aching foot. Mikki gave them minutes, a little leadership and a steady midrange jumper. He went 20 of 28 on the road trip and is shooting 60 percent from the field.
Agent: Randolph not against tradeComment Email Print Share By Chris Broussard
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Reports that the Golden State Warriors are willing to trade second-year forward Anthony Randolph don't bother him at all, according to his agent.
"If Golden State wants to trade Anthony, we're not opposed to that," his agent, Bill Duffy, said. "He hasn't asked for or demanded a trade, but if the Warriors feel it would be beneficial to them to trade him, we wouldn't be opposed to that at all."
A. Randolph
In fact, others close to the 20-year-old Randolph say he would be pleased to get a fresh start elsewhere. He's averaging 11.3 points, 6.5 rebounds and a team-high 1.2 blocks while playing 22 minutes a game.
Despite his tremendous talent, concerns about Randolph's work ethic and lack of focus have led the Warriors to consider trading him, according to various reports. When reached by telephone, Larry Riley, Golden State's general manager, would not comment on the reports.
"I don't comment on trade rumors," Riley said.
Sources within the Warriors organization and around the league say the 6-foot-10 forward is available, but they said he is not being shopped.
"They're not trying to unload the guy," one Western Conference executive said. "But they are disappointed in him, so now they're willing to listen to other teams. Whereas before the season, their thinking was that he was untouchable and they wouldn't even listen."
Executives mentioned New York and Houston as clubs that have interest in Randolph, but he will not be easy to move because of the great disparity between his small salary ($1.8 million) and his perceived upside. The most likely trade scenario would include Randolph as part of a larger deal that featured a more accomplished player.
"I don't know that Randolph's stock has dropped around the league," the executive said. "He's a great talent; he just hasn't done much yet. So he's more of a sweetener that could get another deal done if you threw him in."
While the Warriors have complained about a perceived lack of maturity on Randolph's part, he has been upset with the sporadic way in which Coach Don Nelson has used him varying his minutes and even his position at times. In the five games this season in which he's played 30 or more minutes, Randolph has averaged 18.4 points and 10 rebounds. The Warriors won three of those games, including victories over Portland and Dallas.
Randolph's representatives met with Warriors management last month to discuss his concerns, telling them that if his playing time didn't become steadier he would like for them to look into moving him. Duffy said he hasn't spoken with Riley about Randolph's situation since reports surfaced of the team's willingness to trade him.
"Whatever the Warriors decide to do, Anthony's going to continue to work hard and develop as a player," Duffy said.
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Reports that the Golden State Warriors are willing to trade second-year forward Anthony Randolph don't bother him at all, according to his agent.
"If Golden State wants to trade Anthony, we're not opposed to that," his agent, Bill Duffy, said. "He hasn't asked for or demanded a trade, but if the Warriors feel it would be beneficial to them to trade him, we wouldn't be opposed to that at all."
A. Randolph
In fact, others close to the 20-year-old Randolph say he would be pleased to get a fresh start elsewhere. He's averaging 11.3 points, 6.5 rebounds and a team-high 1.2 blocks while playing 22 minutes a game.
Despite his tremendous talent, concerns about Randolph's work ethic and lack of focus have led the Warriors to consider trading him, according to various reports. When reached by telephone, Larry Riley, Golden State's general manager, would not comment on the reports.
"I don't comment on trade rumors," Riley said.
Sources within the Warriors organization and around the league say the 6-foot-10 forward is available, but they said he is not being shopped.
"They're not trying to unload the guy," one Western Conference executive said. "But they are disappointed in him, so now they're willing to listen to other teams. Whereas before the season, their thinking was that he was untouchable and they wouldn't even listen."
Executives mentioned New York and Houston as clubs that have interest in Randolph, but he will not be easy to move because of the great disparity between his small salary ($1.8 million) and his perceived upside. The most likely trade scenario would include Randolph as part of a larger deal that featured a more accomplished player.
"I don't know that Randolph's stock has dropped around the league," the executive said. "He's a great talent; he just hasn't done much yet. So he's more of a sweetener that could get another deal done if you threw him in."
While the Warriors have complained about a perceived lack of maturity on Randolph's part, he has been upset with the sporadic way in which Coach Don Nelson has used him varying his minutes and even his position at times. In the five games this season in which he's played 30 or more minutes, Randolph has averaged 18.4 points and 10 rebounds. The Warriors won three of those games, including victories over Portland and Dallas.
Randolph's representatives met with Warriors management last month to discuss his concerns, telling them that if his playing time didn't become steadier he would like for them to look into moving him. Duffy said he hasn't spoken with Riley about Randolph's situation since reports surfaced of the team's willingness to trade him.
"Whatever the Warriors decide to do, Anthony's going to continue to work hard and develop as a player," Duffy said.
