The Official Golden State Warriors 2009-2010 Season

[3VID3NC3]

Buike and Maggetteos RARELY bring the ball up themselves unless it's in a transition situation. They get isolated in half court situations and it's their job to do work.

We've had this convo before. Everybody ISN'T a play maker, just like everybody ISN'T a rebounder or defender or a scorer. Everybody can't do everything

Yeah I realize that. My point is you need to be a WILLING PASSER if your shot is not there or if a teammate is open for a better look. Like I said good team play is contagious as well as bad team play. Team basketball=winning. One on One=losing. Class dismissed.

 

[MrPeete]

Team basketball=winning. One on One=losing. Class dismissed.

One could argue that there are just as many losing teams that play Team Basketball as there are losing teams that play One on One basketball

So ... yeah

 

[MrPeete]

Also, you can't always blame the guy with the ball for not passing. When Monta drives, his teammates don't make themselves available at the basket, because they're so used to him finishing.

If cats are just going to stand around when I have the ball or when I drive, wtf am I supposed to do? That's a system thing, not an individual player thing all the time.

 

[VanD]

you're supposed to turn it over like jackson does, making a bounce pass out of bounds.

 

[3VID3NC3]

One could argue that there are just as many losing teams that play Team Basketball as there are losing teams that play One on One basketball

So ... yeah

Yeah you could say Kobe was a pure ballhog when he was playing with Shaq and still won 3 championships. Fact is the Warriors dont have superstars like Kobe or Shaq in his prime so they need to rely more on playing together as a team. Look how much better they played last night moving the ball, yeah the Wolves suck but you cant deny it was a much better brand of ball.

 

[MrPeete]

Yeah, but they get a lot of those same shots in the games they lose, so what's your point?

The only difference between this game and the others is that the shots actually went in

 

[3VID3NC3]

Huh? You need to go back and watch the replay of the game this afternoon. The ball movement was the best Ive seen it in over a year. Jackson hasn't looked to pass the ball that much since he first arrived on the W's. I dont know what you were watching. If Jackson looked to set his teammates up like that every game rather than worry about his offense this team would be much better. Jackson is at his best when he sets his teammates up and picks his spots to shoot the ball rather than force shots and drive into traffic because he's frustrated.

 

[MrPeete]

Other than Randolph's dunks, they got the same types of shots that they get every game. They just made a higher percentage of them

 

[3VID3NC3]

You clearly are not paying attention to whats happening on the court. Did you even watch the game?

 

[MrPeete]

Of course I watched the game.

Name one half court context that happened in this game that didn't happen in the other games.

 

[3VID3NC3]

Players were moving much better when the ball wasn't in their hands...thats something they weren't doing alot in previous games. There was too much pass the ball to this guy and lets stand around and see what he can do. Last night they were passing and cutting more than any previous games making themselves available for better shots.

 

[MrPeete]

I don't know what to tell you other than they get the same types of shots every game...

It could make a difference in how you see the game when the shots are actually going in.

Edit - Didn't Monta and Curry both have like 9 assists a piece against the Grizz? I'm tellin you man, the only difference is the shots going in versus not going in

 

[3VID3NC3]

When the shots aren't going in the team reverts to one on one ball too much. Also bad D has led to alot of one on one play as Curry points out in these quotes.

Curry said he sees a tendency on the team to let defensive shortcomings influence the offense. If players aren't arguing over who blew the assignment, they are trying to exact revenge in one-on-one fashion. Curry said he wants to set a different tone.

"I've got to shoot the ball when I'm open," he said. "But I'm also the point guard. I've got to get the ball moving because we struggle with that. I think that's something I can do very well. It's my job to get that going early in the game.

"When the ball goes in the basket, somebody didn't do their job defensively, so everybody's trying to point fingers while we're in transition. ... By the time we get down court, there are 16 seconds on the shot clock and nobody knows the play."

http://www.marinij.com/sports/ci_13739208

 

[MrPeete]

Also bad D has led to alot of one on one play as Curry points out in these quotes.

http://www.marinij.com/sports/ci_13739208

The defense issue is a completely different monster

Curry needs to STFU and stop turning the ball over

 

[3VID3NC3]

Curry is speaking the truth, I know you dont wanna hear it cuz you're a fan of one on one ball. Curry is a 20 year old rookie, can't expect him to play perfect but I think he's done pretty well considering the circumstances. Monta turns the ball over more than him and he's in his 5th season.

 

[T-Rip]

Warriors the new Knicks?

Between Monta Ellis saying there's no way he could play with Stephen Curry before the season started, and Stephen Jackson demanding a trade out of town, there's been a high level of dysfunction with the Warriors this season.

But are they as bad as those halcyon days of Knicks basketball, when Isiah Thomas and Stephon Marbury were still part of the organization? The New York Times asked Stephen Jackson that before the Warriors' matchup with the Knicks tonight in Madison Square Garden, to which he offered this reply.

"I wasn't there in New York, so it's hard to speak on it," Jackson told the paper. "But from the outside, I could see that it was pretty discombobulated." He added, "We're almost in the same position."

 

[MrPeete]

Monta turns the ball over more than him and he's in his 5th season.

And Steve Nash (historically) turns it over more than both of them and will most likely be top 5 in turnovers this year ... again ... So what's your point?

And before you say, "What does Steve Nash have to do with this?", I was talking about Curry and you brought up Monta *shrugs*

It's not about being a fan of one on one ball, it's about understanding what you're watching. There's something to like about one on one ball and team ball. One isn't better than the other because they are both used with some success in today's NBA.

 

[3VID3NC3]

And Steve Nash (historically) turns it over more than both of them and will most likely be top 5 in turnovers this year ... again ... So what's your point?

And before you say, "What does Steve Nash have to do with this?", I was talking about Curry and you brought up Monta *shrugs*

I brought up Monta because you brought up turnovers...LOL

and LOL @ trying to compare Monta to Nash. Its almost like you're arguing against yourself now. "Curry needs to stop turning the ball over"..."Steve Nash (historically) turns it over more than both of them"


If the best PG in the league is top 5 in TO's you shouldn't worry about Curry.

 

[3VID3NC3]

It's not about being a fan of one on one ball, it's about understanding what you're watching.

Something you clearly struggle with..LOL

 

[VanD]

gilbert arenas had 12 turnovers last night