THE FAKEST RELIgION

[miggidy]

I'll tune in.
I read some complaints with in the Family Radio staff saying that Harold has been getting a bit out of hand. They said that the cat was cool at first but he's getting worse as he gets older.

I don't know, so far what I know from his ideals pretty much makes sense. The only thing I don't agree with is that the end is near. There has not been any signs to indicate that any of the 7 seals have been removed. Until then, the end hasn't started at the very least. And it is under this impression (the end is here) that he thinks the Spirit no longer resides in the Church.

 

[HERESY]

jim jones and david koresh used the bible to back up what they said also. Camping has said some things in the past that are based on his own wacky logic and doctrine. I do agree with him on **SOME** things but not much. He is right about the 501 ( c ) 3 church and i agree that the end will be here soon.

To hell with family radio and open forum



"welcome to open forum"


LMAO


:hgk:

 

[HERESY]

BTW the seven seals deal with what is found in matthew 24 and the 70th week of Israel. The seals can be broken at ANY time. *nothing* has to happen. We can wake up tommorow morning and seal one can be broken. after that we can go 3 months and seal 2 can be broken.

 

[miggidy]

^^^^
I understand your point and I was certain that's why Camping, yourself and many others share the same belief that the end is near. I thought about that for a while now, the idea that the removal of the seals has begun. But after looking into the book of Revelation, (which goes into detail of what's in Matt 24) I've yet to see the signs that are associated with the Great Tribulation.

Something to think about....

 

[Derek J]

Derek J,
Sounds like your friend is a "Jack" JW.
I forgot the year they claim that he came back, 1916 I think but some where along those lines.
They believe Jesus came back that year (or around) but the reason why we don't see him is because he is in the spirit.

Not sure what you mean by a "jack" JW, but she's in fact not a JW, just doing a Bible study with JW's. She did mention the 1914 deal, and that's what I reference with them thinking he took over command of God's kingdom without returning to Earth. Like I said, I'm not religious so I can't authenticate until I talk with someone who knows better.

 

[HERESY]

MATT 24:4-5 HAPPENS **ALL** THE TIME. FROM THE REV.MOON TO DAVID KORESH TO THE AVERAGE NUTCASE IN FRISCO. HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU SEE CLAIMING TO BE JESUS CHRIST? A LOT. HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU SEE RUNNING AROUD SAYING "I'M VISHNU" OR "IM MOHAMMAD" ? IF YOU COULD FIND ONE COUNT HIS FOLLOWERS. NOW FIND A PERSON CLAIMING TO BE JESUS. COUNT HIS FOLLOWERS. MORE CULTS NOW THAN ***ANY*** TIME IN HISTORY.


MATT 24: 6 HAPPENS *ALL* THE TIME. TURN ON THE TELEVISION OR WALK OUTSIDE AND SNATCH A NEWSPAPER.


SAME WITH VERSE 7. FAMINES/STARVATION IN AFRICA, PARTS OF ASIA AND SOUTH AMERICA. EARTHQUAKES ALL OVER THE PLACE (COUNT HOW MANY EARTHQUAKES HAVE BEEN REPORTED WITHIN THE PAST 6 MONTHS AND COUNT THE DAMAGE). SICKNESS, AIDS, MAD COW,HEP-C (AD ALL OTHER VARIATIONS), SARS, WE CAN GO ON AND ON.



WE HAVE THESE THINGS GOING ON ****NOW*****. YOU HAVE *NOTHING* IN PLACE TO STOP YOU FROM BEING PERSECUTED FOR YOUR BELIEFS. YOU HAVE "ELECTRONIC" MONEY BEING TEST MARKETED AND USED IN AMERICA *RIGHT NOW*. MARK OF THE BEAST, THE NAME OF THE BEAST AND NUMBER OF HIS NAME *CAN'T* BE HUNDREDS OF YEARS OFF....THE AMERICAN ECONOMY CAN COLLAPSE TOMMOROW AND CAN BE REPLACED WITH A CASHLESS SOCIETY IN NO TIME.



IF THE SEALS ARE BROKEN WHAT DOES ***NOT*** SEEING THE TRIBULATION HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING? THATS THE 4TH SEAL. MAYBE ITS NOT *TIME* FOR THAT YET. IF YOU WANT TO STUDY THIS STUFF READ THE BOOK OF DANIEL, EZEKIEL AND STUDY THE *****70TH WEEK OF ISRAEL***** AND THE TIME OF JACOBS TROUBLE. I'M ***NOT*** SAYING THAT THE SEALS ARE BROKEN BUT THEY COULD BE. I DON'T KNOW I DIDNT BREAK THEM. WHAT I AM SAYING IS IF WE ARENT CURRENTLY GOING *THROUGH* THE END WE ARE *CLOSE* TO IT. ITS *NOTHING* FOR A PEACE COVENENT TO BE MADE IN ISRAEL (LOOK AT ALL THE TROUBLE AND TURMOIL IN ISRAEL. ALSO REFER TO THE 6 DAY WAR AND RESTORATION OF EPHRAIM) BUT BROKEN 3 AND A HALF YEARS LATER.

THAT COVENENT CAN BE MADE TOMMOROW. IT COULD BE MADE NEXT MONTH, MAYBE NEXT YEAR BUT TEN YEARS FROM NOW? NO WAY. JUST LOOK AT THE RATE THINGS ARE GOING NOW. MOST STUDENTS OF ESCHATOLOGY WOULD DISAGREE WITH YOU ON YOUR STANCE. I DON'T AGREE WITH LIVING IN FEAR/PARANOIA. I AGREE WITH LOOKING AT THE WORLD.



I DON'T KNOW WHY CAMPING SAYS THE STUFF HE DOES BUT I AGREE WITH HIM ABOUT LEAVING THE 501 ( C ) 3 CHURCHES. HERE IT IS YOU HAVE A PREACHER PREACHING PROSPERITY AND MONEY YET HE GETS OVER ON HIS CONGREGATION LIKE A PYRAMID SCHEME.



PREACHER 1 STARTS CHURCH GETS 2000 MEMBERS BUT HIS ASSISTANT PASTOR LEAVES TO START A NEW CHURCH. THE NEW CHURCH IS SIMILAR TO THE ORIGINAL BUT HAS A CHANGE IN CERTAIN DOGMA/DOCTRINE. HE BECOMES PREACHER 2 AFTER HE TAKES 500 OF THE ORIGINAL MEMBERS. THE CYCLE KEEPS REPEATING. NEW PEOPLE COME, OLD PEOPLE GO, NEW DOCTRINES ARE INVENTED AND IMPLEMENTED AND THE *REAL* STUFF IS TOSSED OUT. PAGANISM IS ACCEPTED AND OPENLY ENDORSED UNDER NAME CHANGES. GET YOUR CASH, NAME IT AND CLAIM IT, IF YOU DONT HAVE MONEY ITS BECAUSE YOU'RE IN SIN BLAH BLAH BLAH...THATS WHAT THEY TEACH.




I WONT FORGET HOW THEY TWIST MALICHI "HOW HAS A MAN ROBBED GOD? THROUGH TITHES AND OFFERING".....IT WAS DIRECTED AT ***PRIESTS*** (READ THE BOOK) NOT THE CONGREGATION. SPEAKING OF TITHES WHY ARE PREACHERS COLLECTING THEM IF THEY ARENT LEVITES? WHY IS IT THAT THEY OBSERVE THE MOSAIC LAW (PAYING TITHES) , EAT PORK (WHICH SHOULD BE WRONG UNDER THE MOSAIC CEREMONIAL LAW) BUT DISREGARD THE *ROYAL LAW* (THE TEN COMMANDMENTS) AND NOT WORSHIP ON SABBATH? WHEN WERE TITHES EVER 10% OF YOUR CASH? WHEN THEY WERE *REQUIRED* IT WAS LIVE STOCK, PRODUCE AND STUFF LIKE THAT. IT WAS MADE TO BE A SORT OF "TAX" SYSTEM AND WAY TO HELP WIDOWS, POOR PEOPLE AND ORPHANS. NOT A MONEY SCAM SO THE PREACHER CAN DRIVE A BENZ AT MY EXPENSE.....YESHUA SAID TO GIVE OF YOUR OWN FREE WILL YET PREACHERS ARE TAKING TEN%.


WHO WOULD WANT TO GO TO CHURCH WHEN 99% OF THEM ARE LIKE THAT AND 501 C (3)?


HGK

 

[miggidy]

Heresy,

1) None of these people are false prophets to begin with.
People claim to be Jesus all the time. It happenned a few hundred years
after his death and it happenned in early America, and it's happenning
till this day.
These muthafuckas ain't foolin anyone. Remember what Jesus said about
the false prophets? He said they would also perform miracles. I haven't
seen any wanna-be prophet do that just yet.

2) The same can be said for famine and starvation. We've always had plagues and people starving from day one. It seems more prevalent now days because of communication technology.
I've yet to see a plague and starvation hit to the point where it takes out 1/3 of mankind.
The shit that goes on today ain't shit compared to what will happen in the end of days....

You can throw wars in the mix, natural disasters and so on. It's the same deal. None of the shit that happens today can hold a candle to what will happen in the end.

3) And it's the same with Christian persecution. Christians have been persecuted from day one. But it's nothing compared to the Christian holocaust that the Beast will unleash.
I might agree that the "beginning of the end" is near as I see the armies of the Dragon gathering their troops and WMD's. But I don't see the openning kick off taking place in "this" century.
The enemy has a ways to go still.
We have plenty of time to prepare and it starts with today....
I think cats like you and I have been given a head start. Like you once told me, there is a reason why the Spirit is calling certain people....

4) As for your views of the current church, I couldn't agree with you more. Their system structure is heavily flawed and has too many gaps where corruption can slip through.
I've been saying this for a while now.
But the Church is and will always be the Body of Christ.
I don't think it should be destroyed but only built upon.
How? I don't know, maybe the Church doesn't need to be a physical temple, the people are the Church AKA the Body of Christ.
We'll be ok as long as we stand united.
And unity is all that matters in the days leading to the beginning of the end....

 

[Locahontas]

http://www.keyway.ca/htm2002/sevnseal.htm

 

[miggidy]

Not sure what you mean by a "jack" JW, but she's in fact not a JW, just doing a Bible study with JW's. She did mention the 1914 deal, and that's what I reference with them thinking he took over command of God's kingdom without returning to Earth. Like I said, I'm not religious so I can't authenticate until I talk with someone who knows better.

A "jack" is someone who doesn't follow their religious beliefs.
I would ask her to question her bible study friends so that she can better understand their beliefs.
You stated that according to them, Jesus took over God's kingdom in 1914. The funny thing about this is that the "end" is supposed to happen before that takes place.
And as we all know, the "end" is yet to come....

FYI, these people have always made claims that have later been proven false. For instance the many times that they have predicted the "end".... After having struck out so many times, they've stopped making end of the world predictions....

 

[HERESY]

Since we are basically reading from rev and matt 24 I will stick to those books and verses.
1.TO SAY THAT THOSE PEOPLE ARE FALSE PROPHETS IS LUNACY. NO WHERE IN MATTEW 24 WILL YOU SEE ***ANYTHING**** ABOUT PERFORMING MIRACLES. WHAT YOU WILL SEE IS PEOPLE **SPECIFICALLY* COMING IN THE NAME YESHUA AND SAYING "I AM THE CHRIST". THIS HAS *NOTHING* TO DO WITH PROPHECY. WHAT WILL HAPPEN AS A RESULT OF PEOPLE DOING THAT? DECEPTION. WHERE DOES PERFORMING MIRACLES COME INTO PLAY? NOWHERE. JIM JONES, REV. MOON, DAVID KORESH.

VERSE 11 STATES THAT FALSE PROPHETS WILL RISE UP AND DECIEVE MANY. NOW WHAT MAKES A PROPHET? IS IT THE MIRACLES HE OR SHE MAY DO? OR SOMETHING ELSE? BETTER YET WHAT MAKES A FALSE PROPHET? IS IT HIS OR ABILITY TO PERFORM MIRACLES? STUDY THE OLD TESTAMENT AND WHAT IT SAID ABOUT PROPHETS AND HOW TO TELL IF A PERSON IS A PROPHET.

WILL A FALSE PROPHET PERFORM MIRACLES? SURE BUT IN THE CASE OF OF THE PEOPLE I LISTED FALSE PROPHECY DOES NOT APPLY TO THEM. VERSE 5 DOES. THE MAGICIANS WHO WENT AGAINST MOSES WERE ABLE TO PERFORM *SEVERAL* MIRACLES UP TO A CERTAIN POINT. SO YES A FALSE PROPHET *DOES* HAVE THE ABILITY TO PEFORM A MIRACLE. THEY *DONT* HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO WHAT? STUDY THE OLD TESTAMENT AND YOU'LL FIND OUT. BEING ABLE TO PERFORM MIRACLES DOES NOT MAKE ONE A FALSE PROPHET. BEING ABLE TO *NOT* DO SOMETHING (I WILL LEAVE THAT UP TO YOU TO FIND OUT) *DOES* MAKE YOU A FALSE PROPHET.

MIRACLE WORKING WOULD APPLY TO THE 501 (C) 3 LEADER BENNY HINN.


2.HOW MANY PLAGUES OR SICKNESS WERE *GLOBAL* 2000 YEARS AGO? DID THE BLACK PLAGUE INFECT CALIFORNIA OR ZAIRE? HOW ABOUT AIDS? CAN YOU FIND AN AIDS VICTEM IN EVERY COUNTRY? DID THEY HAVE SARS 1500 YEARS AGO? DID THEY HAVE DOCUMENTED CASES OF MAD COW 200 YEARS AGO? DID THE WORLD HAVE DOCUMENTED CASES OF WEST NILE VIRUS 100 YEARS AGO? HOW ARE THESE THINGS BASED ON COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY? THEY AREN'T. YES YOU HAVE HAD FAMINES THROUGHOUT HISTORY BUT NOT ON TODAYS SCALE. WHAT GOES ON TODAY IS THE "END DAYS". IF YOU'RE WAITING FOR A CERTAIN LIGHT OR STAR TO FALL FROM THE SKY YOU'RE SADLY MISTAKING. IF YOU CAN'T SEE WHAT THE GOVERNMENT IS DOING, HOW YOUR RIGHTS ARE BEING YANKED AWAY, HOW MONEY IS BECOMING USELESS, HOW PRICES ARE GOING UP, HOW THE GOVERNMENT AND OTHER COUNTRIES PUSH GLOBALISM....

ARE YOU LOOKING FOR AN "EPIC CLIMAX" OF SOME SORT? OR A GREEN LIGHT? GOOD LUCK. HOW MANY EARTHQUAKES HAVE YOU HAD WITHIN THE PAST YEAR? YOU JUST HAD ONE IN IRAN THAT SMASHED WHAT? 40,000 PEOPLE? WHAT ABOUT THE ONE IN ASIA MONTHS AGO? YOU HAVE MORE THINGS HAPPENING NOW THAN 2000 YEARS AGO.

3."CHRISTIANS" HAVE ALWAYS BEEN PERSECUTED. "CHRISTIANS" HAVE DONE PERSECUTION. THE *REAL* BODY OF CHRIST HAS ALWAYS BEEN PERSECUTED BUT THE *REAL* BODY OF CHRIST HAS NOT PERSECUTED. ARE YOU FOLLOWING? AMERICA HAS BECOME APOSTATE AND HAS STARTED A MISSION TO REMOVE GOD FROM SCHOOLS,COURTHOUSES, HOSPITALS ETC ETC ETC. "CHRISTIANITY" IS SHUNNED AND PAGANISM IS EMBRACED WITH OPEN ARMS. IT DOESNT TAKE A CENTURY TO REMOVE YOUR RIGHTS. ONE ATTACK, ALL RIGHTS DOWN THE DRAIN, MARSHALL LAW DECLARED...WELCOME THE NEW WORLD ORDER. WHAT HAS THE POPE BEEN DOING WITHIN THE LAST 3 YEARS? ****TRYING TO UNIFY ALL RELIGIONS UNDER ONE BANNER***. WHO IS FEELING THE STING OF THE CATHOLIC PEDOPHILLES?

IS IT POSSIBLE THAT AMERICA CAN BE ATTACKED WITH A NUKE TOMMOROW? YES. IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THE ATTACK CAN HURT OUR ABILITY TO PRODUCE FOOD? YES. IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THE RESULT FROM THAT ATTACK (AND AMERICAN RETALITION) CAN LEAD TO GOODS,RESOURCES ETC ETC ETC BEING SCARCE? YES IT IS. IS IT POSSIBLE FOR AMERICA TO FIND A NEW SOURCE OF MONEY OR IMPLEMENT ELECTRONIC MONEY? YES IT IS.

YOU HAVE *NOTHING* TO STOP GLOBALISM. LMAO@PLENTY OF TIME TO PREPARE. THATS THE SAME THING YESHUA WARNED ABOUT. PEOPLE THINKING YOU HAVE PLENTY OF TIME. "TODAY WHEN YOU HEAR MY VOICE".... YOU HAVE ***NO*** TIME. TIME IS *NOT* ON YOUR SIDE AND THE SOONER YOU LEARN THE BETTER OFF YOU'LL BE.


I'M ON MY WAY TO SAN JOSE SO I WILL FINISH THIS AT A LATER DATE. MAYBE NEXT WEEK.



|:HGK:

 

[miggidy]

Heresy read this:
Matthew 24:24
"For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect."

Now let me ask you what great signs and wonders did David Koresh and the prophet Mohammed show their people?
(Benny Hinn is a hustler)

As for plagues and natural disasters, you think Sars is a plague?
Aids? Sars is like the flu man, the flu killed people at first but what does it do to us now? Same for Aids, ooh it's gonna kill us all. Now even infected people live as long as they want to.
These viruses, germs, etc. have been around for ever. Recorded history only started a few years ago. All these diseases and natural disasters are part of "their" propoganda to scare us.
Shit ain't as bad as "they" make it seem.

Now you ask if what I'm looking for is a climax? The answer is a bit complex. No slow creeping disease is gonna kill us as we'll just become immune to it. Not SARS or AIDS.... It's gonna be something that hits us by surprise, something that we won't be ready for. Mad Cow is a result of our own mistakes. Which people will learn from....
You wanna know what the climax is? We're setting ourselves up for it with antibiotics. At one point, they are not going to work anymore because germs will become immune to them. It's going to get to the point where nothing we have can kill them.

As far as Christian persecution and all out war;
First off, yes martial law will be declared here at home immediately following a WMD attack. But that doesn't mean the end for freedom around the entire world. "They" have a long way to go in the Middle East, Southeast Asia, parts of Africa, and parts of South America. It won't be another 100 years until they reach their goal, so there is plenty of time. I'll give them 50 years top, but even then that's plenty of time. All we need is one generation of education to pull this off. (I know, the odds are stacked against that happenning)

Jesus did say the end is near, but he also gave us clear signs as a warning. And a lot of these signs are still yet to be seen, experienced, or you fill in the blank....

PS.... Now don't get the impression that I'm some cocky know it all who's keeping his guard down. I keep my deffense up at all times, as well as my eyes, ears, and mind focused.

 

[HERESY]

1.if matthew 24 follows a specific time frame you have no point. The verse you listed comes into play AFTER the "great tribulation" is mentioned. Close but no cigar man.

2.I don't know WHAT they did behind closed doors but I think you should study about prophecy and what it means to be a prophet. If you're thinking someone must perform miracles, show signs or do wonders to be a false prophet or false christ you are mistaking.


3.Please study the old testament (thats where you will learn about prophets) and what it means to be a prophet or false prophet. I don't think you understand it and I come to that conclusion based on your posts.


4.Study the 70th week, time of jacobs trouble and restoration of ephraim.


you said:



"As for plagues and natural disasters, you think Sars is a plague?
Aids? Sars is like the flu man, the flu killed people at first but what does it do to us now? Same for Aids, ooh it's gonna kill us all. Now even infected people live as long as they want to.
These viruses, germs, etc. have been around for ever. Recorded history only started a few years ago. All these diseases and natural disasters are part of "their" propoganda to scare us.
Shit ain't as bad as "they" make it seem."


Do they have a cure for sars? Did I say sars was a plague? Do they have a cure for the flu? Does sars have the potential to wipe out a large percentage of people? yes. does hiv/aids? yes. Who is infected with aids that live as long as they want to? People die from it DAILY especially in the black community. You are making it seem as if you can walk into a drug store get aids medication and live til your 80.....


As far as these viruses being around for ever thats up for debate. Those who believe aids/hiv was created in a lab (among other diseases) will disagree with you. Actually I don't see it as propaganda. Nor do I live in fear. I disagree with things not being as bad as they make it seem. THINGS ARE WORSE. What do you mean by recorded history only started a few years ago? Please elaborate.


"Now you ask if what I'm looking for is a climax? The answer is a bit complex. No slow creeping disease is gonna kill us as we'll just become immune to it. Not SARS or AIDS.... It's gonna be something that hits us by surprise, something that we won't be ready for."


Something can hit YOU right now and YOU won't be ready for it because you have the "time is on our side" mentality. Just like the thousands of other "christians" who pray for a rapture and great escape. A new sickness can hit tommorow and wipe out hundreds of thousands people. People will STILL go about their business and not too many would care. People werent ready for west nile, sars or hiv yet it wiped out millions of people. Did it take the world by surprise? YES.


"You wanna know what the climax is? We're setting ourselves up for it with antibiotics. At one point, they are not going to work anymore because germs will become immune to them. It's going to get to the point where nothing we have can kill them."


I don't see how that statement is in harmony with your other statements.


"As far as Christian persecution and all out war;First off, yes martial law will be declared here at home immediately following a WMD attack. But that doesn't mean the end for freedom around the entire world. "


America is the glue that holds the world together. Look man study the 70th week of daniel because most of the stuff you are typing makes no sense. It's NOTHING for the WORLD economy to break down and be reconstructed over night. Mondex, digital angel and Verichip is NOT something that can/will happen 50-100 years from now. It's something that can happen NOW. Study the 70th week of daniel and you'll understand this a bit more. The ENTIRE world watching the two witnesses is NOT something that can/will happen 50-100 years from now. Its something that can happen NOW. The ENTIRE world is connected with television and internet. Think about it.


btw i meant to say TO SAY THOSE PEOPLE ARE *NOT* FALSE PROPHETS IS LUNACY.


MOVING ON:


"They" have a long way to go in the Middle East, Southeast Asia, parts of Africa, and parts of South America. It won't be another 100 years until they reach their goal, so there is plenty of time. I'll give them 50 years top, but even then that's plenty of time. All we need is one generation of education to pull this off. (I know, the odds are stacked against that happenning)



"THEY" don't have a long way to go in the middle east. Please study the 70th week of daniel. They dont have a long way to go in ANY part of the world because THEY control the worlds finances and resources. LOL@100 years until they reach their goal....LOL@plenty of time...What new technology needs to be invented to help them implement the plan? It wont take israel 100 years to make a peace covenent. Please study the 70th week of daniel.



What will one generation of education help? Are you saying that this can be stopped??????? LMAO!!!! This is something that MUST happen. It ***CAN'T*** be stopped because its already rolling. No amount of education, knowledge or resources will stop the ball. Man will CONTINUE to do as HE see's fit. Noah tried to educate the people......



"Jesus did say the end is near, but he also gave us clear signs as a warning. And a lot of these signs are still yet to be seen, experienced, or you fill in the blank...."



Please study the 70th week of daniel, old testament prophecy (what it means to be a prophet who is and who isnt) and new testament greek and latin.


http://www.liferesearchuniversal.com/etstats1.html

validate the numbers and stats on your own time.

Here are three words to look into:


dunamis=miracle
teras=wonders
semeion=sign


Here is a person to research. William Branham.




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[2-0-Sixx]

HERESY, diseases/viruses have been around long before man. Not too long ago, scientists discovered cancer in dinosaurs. There are other examples of this if you search the net of course. There are very simple reasons why you don’t see the mass scale of disease/viruses 2000 years ago compared today. First off, the Earth’s population is at it’s all time high. Second, humans are communicating and traveling like never before. 2000 years ago, man was pretty much isolated to one location his entire life. Certain diseases/viruses were common in only certain parts of the world and not in other parts simply because people did not travel like they do today. This is why we observed the SARS virus spread so quickly, country to country. 2000 years ago man did not hop on a jet plain every day and visit various countries. 2000 years ago, there wasn’t millions and millions of pounds of cargo being shipped off to every corner of the world.

I’m not sure why you mentioned earthquakes. How do you know we are having more earthquakes now? Were you around 2000 years ago? Did they record detailed notes about earthquakes 2000 years ago in Europe, Asia, and the America’s?

Miggidy, what you said about humans taking antibiotics and the diseases becoming immune is somewhat correct. What actually is occurring is that viruses are mutating and changing after time. All you have to do to understand this is observe the common cold. The reason we can catch a cold every year or whatever is because it changes ever so slightly. AIDS WAS around before it even was called AIDS. It was a common disease among certain animals and humans were unable to get this disease. Then of course, something happened, a mutation or “alteration”, and here we are some 20+ years later.

I haven’t read any of this thread really. Just thought I’d point out a couple of things.

 

[HERESY]

I think both of you are missing my point. I understand sickness and ailments have been around for thousands of years. Thats NOT what I am disputing. What I am disputing is the FACT that certain illness are indeed man made and/or HAVENT been around. As I said before you have MANY people that believe aids/hiv is a man made sickness. It's up for debate.


I understand that certain deiseases were only common in certain parts in the world. Thats why I listed the black plague. At that time MANY people travelled (not as much as they do today) but they travelled. Did it infect africa and asia like it did europe? The fact that MORE people can come in contact is the point im trying to stress (edj syndrome). When was sars documented and what about west nile? You did NOT have a case of sars (a documented case)1000 years ago. IF you did I have not read ANY reports or writings that support that. Same with mad cow.

In order to contract mad cow or west nile one does NOT need to travel to a foreign land.

Concerning earthquakes they have been recorded since the begining of time and will CONTINUE to be recorded. You have had MANY large earthquakes that have killed tens of thousands of people and it was documented. Earthquake increase has been up for debate for some time now. Some scientist say we have had no increase while others (non christian ones) have said they have increased. I have this book (can't find it now) on earthquakes, illnessess,ruthless rulers (khan, attilla, vlad etc etc etc) and all types of ill gory stuff. In it was a well documented earthquake chart. When I find the book I'll post it.





I understand that things mutate. Trust me I'm not disputing that. You have several strains of hiv (which is why some of the meds dont work with certain people) and trillions of flu/cold mutations.

The fact that you DO have them is what i'm trying to stress (edj again).

Whats to stop the flu from mutating into the "HERESY THE GOD KhILLErR SUPER FLU" and wiping out a third of mankind next week?





Nothing. No meds to protect against it, no way for your body to fight it off, no info on it...




:hgk:

 

[Mcleanhatch]

We're setting ourselves up for it with antibiotics. At one point, they are not going to work anymore because germs will become immune to them.

agreed!!!!!!

 

[nefar559]

Originally posted by miggidy
We're setting ourselves up for it with antibiotics. At one point, they are not going to work anymore because germs will become immune to them.

agreed!!!!!!

let's not forget that technology advances.

 

[miggidy]

Heresy,

First off, lets follow your logic here about Matthew being written in order. Following that idea, you'll find that it's (current time) only the beginning of the end. Only the prelude to the openning of the 7 seals. Jesus gives the signs of the coming of the white horseman who establishes a one world government. This is the removal of the first seal.
Following this idea, you don't think gentiles have enough time to convert????
We know the end won't arrive altogether at the same time. But in stages....

"I don't see how that statement is in harmony with your other statements."

Like 2-0 pointed out to, viruses and germs mutate. At one point we're going to run out of remedies....

"America is the glue that holds the world together. Look man study the 70th week of daniel because most of the stuff you are typing makes no sense. It's NOTHING for the WORLD economy to break down and be reconstructed over night. Mondex, digital angel and Verichip is NOT something that can/will happen 50-100 years from now. It's something that can happen NOW. Study the 70th week of daniel and you'll understand this a bit more. The ENTIRE world watching the two witnesses is NOT something that can/will happen 50-100 years from now. Its something that can happen NOW. The ENTIRE world is connected with television and internet. Think about it."

Come'on man think about it.
America might break down but the rest of the world isn't just gonna bow down to "them".
"They" cannot fight terrorism, never.... (Not with out a one world police state)
Al Queda is still out there as well as other resistance groups. "They" have taken a different approach at globalization, the distruction of Iraq is a good example. Iraq is what Japan was about half a century ago. Iraq is their first step at gaining control over the Middle East/Arab-Muslim world. In many ways the Middle East is the last piece of the New World Order puzzle.
But it's going to take time before the rest of the Muslim world follows suit and embraces democracy.

They are taking a page out of Jesus' philosophy in that you make them change by example, not by force.
You are saying that "they" will lead us into globalization by way of tribulation. That contradicts the scripture, tribulation comes after globalization.
Think about that for a minute while I'll take your advice and read about Daniel's 70th week.

And last,
"What will one generation of education help? Are you saying that this can be stopped??????? LMAO!!!! This is something that MUST happen. It ***CAN'T*** be stopped because its already rolling. No amount of education, knowledge or resources will stop the ball. Man will CONTINUE to do as HE see's fit. Noah tried to educate the people......"

Not at all, you cannot escape judgement day.
But you can achieve immortality.
That's what's it's all about Heresy, that is why the Light shined on you. Our duty is to save as many souls as possible, and not to try and stop something that's inevitable....

 

[miggidy]

Daniel 11:33-37
"And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days. Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries. And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed. And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done. Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all."

Heresy, I've been readin up on the book of Daniel as you asked. I just had to post this LOL!

"Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all."

Either the anti-christ will try to duplicate what Jesus did and not lust for women, or he's down right a homo LOL!
Sorry people, this shit cracks me up.
It's no wonder why those involved with the accult are known to be homos haha!

 

[2-0-Sixx]

I think both of you are missing my point. I understand sickness and ailments have been around for thousands of years. Thats NOT what I am disputing. What I am disputing is the FACT that certain illness are indeed man made and/or HAVENT been around. As I said before you have MANY people that believe aids/hiv is a man made sickness. It's up for debate.

I'm sure there are diseases/viruses that are a direct result of man, both accidental and most likely deliberate as well.
I've read some interesting articles on the AIDS virus that suggest it is man made, very interesting but there is of course a lack of concrete proof. I wouldn't doubt it, but without evidence I cannot say it is or isn’t.

"I understand that certain deiseases were only common in certain parts in the world. Thats why I listed the black plague. At that time MANY people travelled (not as much as they do today) but they travelled. Did it infect africa and asia like it did europe? The fact that MORE people can come in contact is the point im trying to stress (edj syndrome). When was sars documented and what about west nile? You did NOT have a case of sars (a documented case)1000 years ago. IF you did I have not read ANY reports or writings that support that. Same with mad cow. "

Of course you didn’t have any documented cases of sars and west nile because it didn’t exist…but at the same time they had different viruses that no longer exist today. Mad cow is a lot different then sars, this is a result from either cows eating themselves or another possible theory is it’s from certain hormones/drugs that are injected into the animals. It’s really not rational to say sars/west nile/aids are man made without any concrete proof. If you have some, provide it.

“In order to contract mad cow or west nile one does NOT need to travel to a foreign land.”

This is true for mad cow but it wasn’t always true for west nile until it did spread (traveling).

“Concerning earthquakes they have been recorded since the begining of time and will CONTINUE to be recorded. You have had MANY large earthquakes that have killed tens of thousands of people and it was documented. Earthquake increase has been up for debate for some time now. Some scientist say we have had no increase while others (non christian ones) have said they have increased. I have this book (can't find it now) on earthquakes, illnessess,ruthless rulers (khan, attilla, vlad etc etc etc) and all types of ill gory stuff. In it was a well documented earthquake chart. When I find the book I'll post it.”

Well, that’s another statement without any concrete evidence. To say we are having more earthquakes now then ever is completely false. You have to understand how the earth works and realize that earthquakes have been around since it’s beginning and will be around until its end. Common knowledge tells us that the earth crust is constantly shifting…Look at a globe. Can you see how S.America fits perfectly into Africa? Australia moves something like 2” a year. India is constantly pushing in further main land (this explains the Himalayas). California is shifting away from the main land and will eventually be it’s own Island. The point is we earthquakes have always been around. How long has man been recording these earthquakes with great detail? How long has the earth been around? It’s not possible for anybody to prove we are having more earthquakes now then before, for one, simple lack of records and two, man hasn’t been around long enough to make this claim or assumption.

 

[HERESY]

As I said before you aren't paying attention to what i'm typing:

"First off, lets follow your logic here about Matthew being written in order. Following that idea, you'll find that it's only the beginning of the end. Only the prelude to the openning of the 7 seals."

Now this is where we disagree and if you are implying that matthew 24 1-14 is BEFORE the seals you are WRONG. I'm NOT saying that it's NOT the begining of the end. You will find that in verse 14. In verse 15 you see the abomination of desolation and persecution. in verse 21 you see the great tribulation. scroll down and you will see verse 29 which is the 6th seal. Now read it again and see if 1-14 is a prelude to the seven seals. its not.

"Jesus gives the signs of the coming of the white horseman who establishes a one world government. This is the removal of the first seal."

I disagree. Not one biblical scripture will support your claim because its out of sync with the timeline.

"Following this idea, you don't think gentiles have enough time to convert????
We know the end won't arrive altogether at the same time. But in stages...."

Gentiles have enough time to convert until the time of gentiles (a certain period) is OVER. Read matt 24:32-34

"Like 2-0 pointed out to, viruses and germs mutate. At one point we're going to run out of remedies...."

ARE YOU READING WHAT I AM TYPING???????????????? I UNDERSTAND THAT VIRUSES AND GERMS MUTATE. THATS NOT UP FOR DEBATE. WHAT I'M SAYING IS YOU HAVE *NOTHING* TO STOP VIRUSES FROM MUTATING AND WIPING OUT A LARGE PORTION OF MANKIND. IT'S HAPPENED BEFORE AND IT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN. YOU CAN RUN OUT OF REMEDIES *TOMMOROW* AND THATS THE POINT IM TRYING TO MAKE.

"Come'on man think about it.
America might break down but the rest of the world isn't just gonna bow down to "them".
"They" cannot fight terrorism, never.... (Not with out a one world police state)
Al Queda is still out there as well as other resistance groups. "They" have taken a different approach at globalization, the distruction of Iraq is a good example. Iraq is what Japan was about half a century ago. Iraq is their first step at gaining control over the Middle East/Arab-Muslim world. In many ways the Middle East is the last piece of the New World Order puzzle.
But it's going to take time before the rest of the Muslim world follows suit and embraces democracy."


1.THE WORLD *WILL* BOW DOWN TO THEM.

2.ELECTRONIC MONEY HAS ALREADY BEEN IMPLEMENTED IN AFRIKA, ASIA, EUROPE, AUSTRALIA *AND* CERTAIN PARTS OF AMERICA.

3.WHAT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND IS "THEY" CONTROL HAMAS, AL-QUEDA AND THE OTHER MILITIA/TERRORIST GROUPS. IT'S LIKE A CELL. ONE MEMBER MAY NOT KNOW HIS NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR IS IN THE SAME CELL UNTIL ITS TIME TO DO THE JOB. TRACE THE MONEY AND IT *ALL* LEADS BACK TO *THEM*.

4.IRAQ IS MORE THAN WHAT JAPAN WAS. JAPAN DID NOT HAVE A LARGE AMOUNT OF OIL THAT AMERICA NEEDS TO MAINTAIN.

5.THE MIDDLE EAST IS NOT THE LAST PIECE OF GLOBALISM. IT'S THE *ONLY* PIECE.

6. IF A PEACE COVENENT IS MADE TOMMOROW AND ISRAEL GIVES UP LAND (DIVIDES IT AND REMOVES ITSELF FROM CERTAIN PLACES) EVERYONE ELSE WILL FALL IN PLACE.

7.IT'S NOTHING FOR THE *OWNERS* OF BIG COMPANIES TO *HALT* PRODUCTION OR DISTRIBUTION TO THE MIDDLE EAST. THEY CAN *MAKE* THEM DO WHAT THEY WANT BY SIMPLY NOT DOING BUSINESS WITH THEM.

"They are taking a page out of Jesus' philosophy in that you make them change by example, not by force."

"THEY" THROW A BRICK AND HIDE THE HAND. IN SOME PLACES THEY SPEAK PEACE AND ENDORSE IT BUT IN OTHER PLACES THEY USE VIOLENCE AND BLOODSHED.


"You are saying that "they" will lead us into globalization by way of tribulation."


WHERE DO YOU SEE THAT? *STOP* PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH AND ***READ*** WAHT I AM POSTING.

"That contradicts the scripture, tribulation comes after globalization. Think about that for a minute while I'll take your advice and read about Daniel's 70th week.""

ONCE AGAIN READ WHAT I AM TYPING. READ REV 13. YOU KEEP STRESSING POINTS THAT I ALREADY UNDERSTAND OR YOU STRESS POINTS THINKING I DONT UNDERSTAND THEM.

PLEASE READ ABOUT THE 70TH WEEK OF DANIEL BECAUSE RIGHT NOW *YOU* DONT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. IT'S NOT A BAD THING BUT YOU AREN'T GETTING THE ENTIRE PICTURE THAT IS PRESENTED IN THE SCRIPTURES. YOU WILL GATHER A LOT OF INFO FROM DANIEL (WHICH IS WHY I KEEP TELLING YOU TO READ IT) THE BOOKS OF EZEKIEL AND JERIMIAH.

:HGK: