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HERESY said:
In many cases no.



lol!
So you trying to say that the fact that for the first 4 billion years of life we see no fossils of multicellular animals and we see them appear and become more and more similar to those we today after that must be ignored?
 

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No. I am saying in some cases fossil records have been wrong or inconclusive.
1. The fossil record can't be wrong, it is what it is. Our interpretations can be wrong

2. How does this this disproves evolution?

3. The question was whether the fossil records of the first 3 billion years of Earth history tells us something
 

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1. The fossil record can't be wrong, it is what it is. Our interpretations can be wrong
And your "interpretations" are usually the fossil records history or specific timeline.

2. How does this this disproves evolution?
In my opinion it doesn't disprove evolution. What it does is create a situation where you ultimately go in a loop. The loop being you attempt to reconstruct events of the past that may be interpreted wrong.

3. The question was whether the fossil records of the first 3 billion years of Earth history tells us something
Thats not the question you asked.

The fossil record does not prove anything, right?
Here is your attempt to lead me on and trap me. I didn't fall for it.

So you trying to say that the fact that for the first 4 billion years of life we see no fossils of multicellular animals and we see them appear and become more and more similar to those we today after that must be ignored?
Here is the second attempt which you completely side stepped by presenting you with a similar response to the one I gave you.
 

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HERESY said:
And your "interpretations" are usually the fossil records history or specific timeline.



In my opinion it doesn't disprove evolution. What it does is create a situation where you ultimately go in a loop. The loop being you attempt to reconstruct events of the past that may be interpreted wrong.



Thats not the question you asked.



Here is your attempt to lead me on and trap me. I didn't fall for it.



Here is the second attempt which I completely side stepped by presenting you with a similar response to the one I gave you.
if you don't respond only to the last post and see what the whole discussion is about you would not say I am asking a different question:


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ParkBoyz said:
With no substantial evidence for it since the only thing being demonstrated here are observable mechanisms which occur today, to reconstruct events which transpired 5 billion years ago takes a lot of imagination.. No one in here rejects science(from what I can see), only the speculative aspects of evolution which spin doctors like you (and whoever wrote that debate doctrine you keep referring to) deceptively try and fool unsuspecting adherents into accepting (on blind faith) every single claim at face value(appealing to authority), especially the most preposterous claims about life randomly manifesting its self.
ThaG said:
1. This is a lie, there is plenty of evidence in support of organic evolution, there are unresolved issues concerning how it happened and where it happened, but if we don't know the explanation that doesn't mean it doesn't exist

We have laboratory experiments, fossils from 3.7 billion years ago, clear indications there were no oxygen in the atmosphere until life produced it, we have numerous molecular fossils supporting the RNA-world hypothesis and many others.
 

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another cop-out...
No, it isn't a cop out. It is logic on my behalf and error and stupidity on yours.

Bloom P, Weisberg DS.
Science. 2007 May 18;316(5827):996-7.
So the problem would lie on nature VS nurture and if the PARENTS are RESPONSIBLE for the "ruining the education" of the child. If the museum just opened less than 2 years ago, on what grounds can you say the museum is going to ruin a childs education?

so you're saying I am not getting an education...

LMAO...
I keep saying the same things over and over. For YEARS I have been saying that the majority of siccness members do NOT have basic critical reading and thinking skills.

I am NOT saying YOU are not getting an education. You made a comment about MY education and I basically said at least I am getting one. I am saying that no matter what YOU think about the educational path I chose, I am at least doing something and it doesn't matter what YOU say about it. With your reply you have simply proven to me and the rest of the board that you are an academic that lacks basic social skills and comprehension. Do you understand concepts such as sarcasm or irony?

ThaG, ALL B.S. ASIDE, how many friends or associates do you have? List three words your friends would use to describe you.

People tell stupid shit, I tell them it's stupid, they say more stupid shit, I tell them again, they get angry and think I insult them. It's definitely not my fault that people are stupid
You prove me right again. This is EASY!

You are implying things I never said and I am curious how exactly you decided I am NAZI?
You openly stated those things, and your ideology is very much like nazi propaganda.

The fact is that there is very good correlation between religiosity and the number of children. You are lying if you deny it.
There is also a good correlation between science and the number of children. You are lying if you deny it.

China has a large population because it had a very large population long before communism came. Not only that, but in case you don't Mao claimed "The more we are, the stronger we are" and it was not until the 70s when it became clear it can't go on like that anymore.
Was religion teh cause of the population before and after the era of communism?

I would emphasize the fact that China added only 100-150 millions more in the thirty years after birth control campaigns started while India added 400 millions in that time, Pakistan and Bangladesh nearly tripled, as did many African countries. The Chinese managed to prevent 400 million births in these 30 years which is an undoubted success
This is useless info and has little to do with what you were asked, and what you were asked come SOLELY from your own words.

Don't you understand it's already too late?
No not at all.

Social inequalities and the whole structure of modern society are ultimately linked to monotheistic Judeo-Christian religions and every major problem we're having today (overpopulation, destruction of environment, global warming, social inequality) is a direct or indirect result of the world view imposed by religion. In the same time this world view is the thing that prevents us from solving these problems
If this is true, shouldn't we also place emphasis on the nationality/origin of these people? Why are you placing emphasis on something dynamic instead of something static? What is your take on the FACT that many, if not the majority, of adherents to judeo christian religions are WHITE/EUROPEAN?

You are either stupid enough to believe what you're saying or you're shamelessly lying for yet another time.
ThaG MANY religions SHUN sex. There are several religions that see sex simply as a desire of the flesh and believe it is fully carnal. In other instances, some religions believe sex is for PROCREATION ONLY. You don't understand this because you DON'T know anything about these religions, and since you know little about them, why are you saying what they do or don't believe?

Does the church discourage condom use?
Some do, some don't. It depends on the church dogma/doctrine pertaining to sex and procreation. What the majority of churches discourage is premarital sex, and in some cases encourage complete abstinence. These are more powerful forms of prevention and birth control.

Yes, it does see sex as bad thing, but it fails to realize sex is something natural and our sole function in this world is to transmit our genes to as many individuals as possible.
No, some churches or some religions see sex as a bad thing. And if our sole function is to transmit our genes to as many individuals as possible, WHY THE FUCK DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE POPULATION? We are simply doing what "evolution" chose for us to do.

You just said our sole function is to transmit our genes etc, yet you want to LIMIT this function! LMAO!!!!!!!!!! YOU HAVE LOST YOUR ARGUMENT!

People will never stop fucking, so everything religious idiots say is irrelevant and only makes matter worse
SEE ABOVE! LMAO!
 

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ThaG said:
if you don't respond only to the last post and see what the whole discussion is about you would not say I am asking a different question:
thaG. All BS aside. What are you trying to ask me? I do NOT understand what you are asking me, and your most recent post only makes it more confusing. I took a statement from Park, and you took the statement and asked me a question. I answered, and you asked some more. I answered some more. Do you not understand my answers?
 

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HERESY said:
No, it isn't a cop out. It is logic on my behalf and error and stupidity on yours.



So the problem would lie on nature VS nurture and if the PARENTS are RESPONSIBLE for the "ruining the education" of the child. If the museum just opened less than 2 years ago, on what grounds can you say the museum is going to ruin a childs education?
is there any chance what I am posting will ever get into your stubborn head?


I keep saying the same things over and over. For YEARS I have been saying that the majority of siccness members do NOT have basic critical reading and thinking skills.
I am definitely not your average siccness member

I am NOT saying YOU are not getting an education. You made a comment about MY education and I basically said at least I am getting one. I am saying that no matter what YOU think about the educational path I chose, I am at least doing something and it doesn't matter what YOU say about it. With your reply you have simply proven to me and the rest of the board that you are an academic that lacks basic social skills and comprehension. Do you understand concepts such as sarcasm or irony?
You will not like what I am going to say but I will say it: to study science you need brain, it is absolutely necessary, but it is not absolutely necessary if you study humanities

Theoretical mathematicians look down upon applied ones. Mathematicians and life scientists look down upon economists. Most scientists look down upon humanities. There is a reason for each of these and it is one and the same - one of the fields requires much more intelligence than the other.

ThaG, ALL B.S. ASIDE, how many friends or associates do you have? List three words your friends would use to describe you.
I don't know what my friends would say about me. Smart is one of the words for sure.


You openly stated those things, and your ideology is very much like nazi propaganda.
This is your opinion, but I don't hate jews and afroamericans so I am the last person to be called NAZI.

Anyway, the truth is truth, no matter of what the prevailing ideology is


There is also a good correlation between science and the number of children. You are lying if you deny it.
There is a good correlation between the number of children who survive until adulthood and science. The problem is that people didn't stop having so many after science advanced to that point and the reason is not science, it is religion.

Religious people have more children than atheists.

Fact

Ignorant people have more children than educated ones.

Fact




Was religion teh cause of the population before and after the era of communism?
It didn't prevent the demographic explosion either. BTW China is the last country I consider when I say religion and illiteracy are the ultimate cause of overpopulation, Pakistan, Mexico, Brazil, Indonesia, Nigeria, India and others are much better examples. USA is a particularly good example because there are both atheists and very religious people there and you can compare between the two groups

This is useless info and has little to do with what you were asked, and what you were asked come SOLELY from your own words.
Since when is info useless? It is very closely related to what I was asked, you just feel uncomfortable in the face of evidence so you prefer to dismiss it


No not at all.
It is

Do you understand what using 30% more resources than the planet can provide means? When population is both rapidly growing and industrializing?
When each woman in Africa is having 8 children and they are doomed to grow illiterate and have just as many themselves? Kids are being born at a rate at which it is impossible to educate them to stop the process.

It is terribly late and the only real solution that will help us avoid the catastrophe is to get rid of 5 billions. There is no other way.

Something I don't know if you're aware of - the Earth has warmed with 1 degree (normal degree, not a Fahrenheit one). There is an additional 0.5 degrees warming from gases we've already pumped in the atmosphere and yet another 0.5 degrees from gases we will pump in the atmosphere even if we take measures to reduce them starting tomorrow.

These are 2 fucking degrees of global warming which means Greenland and East Antarctic will melt and sea level will rise 14 meters. There is no way this can be prevented, it's already too late unless we cut emissions 80%. This will not happen.

14 meters at minimum and at least 1 billion environmental refugees in a world of 10 billions. Think about it. These are facts, not the pointless BS by scientists who love apocalypse stories.



If this is true, shouldn't we also place emphasis on the nationality/origin of these people? Why are you placing emphasis on something dynamic instead of something static? What is your take on the FACT that many, if not the majority, of adherents to judeo christian religions are WHITE/EUROPEAN?
I am emphasizing on what matters, it is religion and education. Race is irrelevant.


ThaG MANY religions SHUN sex. There are several religions that see sex simply as a desire of the flesh and believe it is fully carnal. In other instances, some religions believe sex is for PROCREATION ONLY. You don't understand this because you DON'T know anything about these religions, and since you know little about them, why are you saying what they do or don't believe?



Some do, some don't. It depends on the church dogma/doctrine pertaining to sex and procreation. What the majority of churches discourage is premarital sex, and in some cases encourage complete abstinence. These are more powerful forms of prevention and birth control.



No, some churches or some religions see sex as a bad thing. And if our sole function is to transmit our genes to as many individuals as possible, WHY THE FUCK DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE POPULATION? We are simply doing what "evolution" chose for us to do.

You just said our sole function is to transmit our genes etc, yet you want to LIMIT this function! LMAO!!!!!!!!!! YOU HAVE LOST YOUR ARGUMENT!



SEE ABOVE! LMAO!
I posted one paragraph that was meant to be read and answered as a whole. You took each sentence out of the context and answered it. Classic Creationist How-To-Distort-What-Our-Opponent-Is-Saying.

Read the whole paragraph and answer it

There is no contradiction because we're supposed to be smart enough to realize what the natural thing to do is and not do it if it's bad for us. Having less than 2 kids per woman is good, this is the reproduction birth rate. Having 5 children per woman is bad. We have to find a way to reduce the population ot 2 billions. These are facts. I know you don't like facts, because I haven't seen you use them much, but that's not my problem
 

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thaG. All BS aside. What are you trying to ask me? I do NOT understand what you are asking me, and your most recent post only makes it more confusing. I took a statement from Park, and you took the statement and asked me a question. I answered, and you asked some more. I answered some more. Do you not understand my answers?
You didn't answer anything because you weren't asked anything to begin with, and you never said anything relevant.

ParkBoyz claimed there is no evidence for abiogenesis, I told him he's wrong because there is and it is the fossil record which does not show any life forms until 3.7 BYa and doesn't show any oxygen in the atmosphere until approximately 2Bya, all organisms share the same genetic code, etc., you said the fossil record is wrong, I told you it can't be wrong because it is what it is, you kept going back and forth about how the fossil record is not a proof for anything, while the whole point was whether the fossil record supports anything else than abiogenesis and the answer is no, excluding panspermia (but even if panspermia happened, abiogenesis still happened somewhere else). BTW even panspermia for which we have very little evidence as of now is somethign we can test and it will be tested some day, that's for those saying it isn't science.

Anyway, I want to have discussions based on facts and evidence, not empty words and going back and forth over matters that have either been resolved decades or centuries ago or have no relevance to anything whatsoever. I don't get this and I'm starting to get mad at myself for wasting my time arguing with lunatics who refuse to listen to the scientific community as a whole and to reason and evidence, no matter how much of these you present to them
 
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I think you are ignorant and illiterate but you don't pay much attention so keep your opinion for yourself
Who cares what an intellectually stagnated wretch thinks? Your thoughts will not be taken into consideration as they are the thoughts of a misguided drama queen. I and others have demonstrated effectively your lack of comprehension skills and analytical ability, so ignorance and illiteracy seem to inversely be attributes that you strut overtly while I haven't shown any such deficiencies..:cool:
 
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You didn't answer anything because you weren't asked anything to begin with, and you never said anything relevant.

ParkBoyz claimed there is no evidence for abiogenesis, I told him he's wrong because there is and it is the fossil record which does not show any life forms until 3.7 BYa and doesn't show any oxygen in the atmosphere until approximately 2Bya, all organisms share the same genetic code, etc., you said the fossil record is wrong, I told you it can't be wrong because it is what it is, you kept going back and forth about how the fossil record is not a proof for anything, while the whole point was whether the fossil record supports anything else than abiogenesis and the answer is no, excluding panspermia (but even if panspermia happened, abiogenesis still happened somewhere else). BTW even panspermia for which we have very little evidence as of now is somethign we can test and it will be tested some day, that's for those saying it isn't science.
The fossil record is inadequate which is why the theory of punctuated equilibrium was proposed and similar genetic code may simply point to common design. You have no proof!:cool:
 

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is there any chance what I am posting will ever get into your stubborn head?
What does this statement have to do with anything? YOU made the claim that this museum was going to ruin a childs education. I am making the claim that if the childs education is ruined, it will go back to the nature VS nurture debate and the PARENTS responsibilty. The article YOU referenced actually SUPPORTS what I am saying.

Now where is your evidence that THE MUSEUM is going to ruin a childs education? You made the claim now back it up.

I am definitely not your average siccness member
You think you aren't. What you are is an academic who may quote all sorts of scientific data at the drop of a dime, yet you can't find your way out of a paper bag.

You will not like what I am going to say but I will say it: to study science you need brain, it is absolutely necessary, but it is not absolutely necessary if you study humanities
You sound like a zombie "brains....m..mo...more...br..brains..."

ThaG you know NOTHING of humantieis, psychology, criminology or law. Proof of this is when I said what I said about deja vu and you went back and DELETED your post.

Theoretical mathematicians look down upon applied ones. Mathematicians and life scientists look down upon economists. Most scientists look down upon humanities. There is a reason for each of these and it is one and the same - one of the fields requires much more intelligence than the other.
Do you honestly believe I care about who looks down on who? LMAO! NONE of them are paying for my studies ThaG. Why would I care about what they say when law and psychology are things I enjoy? I couldn't care less about what others think, but you do. What will you say when they find out you haven't attended a world renown school such as Harvard, Stanford or Oxford? You'll commit suicide by hooking yourself up to some crazy contraption you invented in your uncles basement and you'll have "Mr. Spinny" in hand when they find your rotting corpse. That is your destiny. You are not destined to write articles, win a nobel prize or make a substantial contribution to society. You are will be forever bound to the siccness until your demise.

And STOP saying "suck it up." You aren't "THE FAMOUS GUY" or myself, and you make it sound gay as fuck.

I don't know what my friends would say about me. Smart is one of the words for sure.
You have solidified my assessment. What I did was ask you how many friends you had and you couldn't even give me a number. In addition, you couldn't even list three things what they would say about you, yet you actually listed a value or trait that YOU yourself actually believe you hold.

This is your opinion, but I don't hate jews and afroamericans so I am the last person to be called NAZI. Anyway, the truth is truth, no matter of what the prevailing ideology is
ThaG, much of your ideologies are directly link to nazism, and this is FACT not opinion. Do you understand what an ideology is?

There is a good correlation between the number of children who survive until adulthood and science. The problem is that people didn't stop having so many after science advanced to that point and the reason is not science, it is religion.
How is the reason religion? You are going in circles.

Religious people have more children than atheists.

Fact
If there are more religious people on the planet this is the only logical course.

Ignorant people have more children than educated ones.

Fact
What are you basing this on? A countries education system or your personal views?

It didn't prevent the demographic explosion either.
That is not the question. The question is, Was religion the cause of the population before and after the era of communism?

A yes or no will suffice.

BTW China is the last country I consider when I say religion and illiteracy are the ultimate cause of overpopulation, Pakistan, Mexico, Brazil, Indonesia, Nigeria, India and others are much better examples.
Thanks for back peddling! BTW, these countries problems are moreso directly linked to imperialism and economic mishaps than religion.

Since when is info useless? It is very closely related to what I was asked, you just feel uncomfortable in the face of evidence so you prefer to dismiss it
It has very little to do with what you were asked.

Do you understand what using 30% more resources than the planet can provide means? When population is both rapidly growing and industrializing?When each woman in Africa is having 8 children and they are doomed to grow illiterate and have just as many themselves? Kids are being born at a rate at which it is impossible to educate them to stop the process.
ThaG, when compared to other continents, where is Afrika ranked when it comes to infant mortality, life expectancy and accesability to doctors and hospitals?

It is terribly late and the only real solution that will help us avoid the catastrophe is to get rid of 5 billions. There is no other way.
More nazi mentality. Kill off all the darkies because they aren't fit for survival.

Something I don't know if you're aware of - the Earth has warmed with 1 degree (normal degree, not a Fahrenheit one). There is an additional 0.5 degrees warming from gases we've already pumped in the atmosphere and yet another 0.5 degrees from gases we will pump in the atmosphere even if we take measures to reduce them starting tomorrow.

These are 2 fucking degrees of global warming which means Greenland and East Antarctic will melt and sea level will rise 14 meters. There is no way this can be prevented, it's already too late unless we cut emissions 80%. This will not happen.
So is this a problem with population or is a problem of finding a better fuel source that won't cause these problems?

14 meters at minimum and at least 1 billion environmental refugees in a world of 10 billions. Think about it. These are facts, not the pointless BS by scientists who love apocalypse stories.
A world of 10 billions? The world has apprx 6 billion people. When do you expect a 4 billion hike?

I am emphasizing on what matters, it is religion and education. Race is irrelevant.
I am emphasizing what matters, and EVERYTIME I ask you about race you AVOID the issue. If something like religion plays a pivitol role in all of this, you MUST also consider the nationality and make up of those who you consider the problem. At the end of the day, the problem is CAPITALISM and IMPERIALISM that has been implemented and SHOVED down the throats of EVERY country on this planet by WHITES/EUROPEANS. FACT.

I posted one paragraph that was meant to be read and answered as a whole. You took each sentence out of the context and answered it. Classic Creationist How-To-Distort-What-Our-Opponent-Is-Saying.

Read the whole paragraph and answer it
No what you did was get murdered once again and now look to swindle your way out of it.

There is no contradiction because we're supposed to be smart enough to realize what the natural thing to do is and not do it if it's bad for us. Having less than 2 kids per woman is good, this is the reproduction birth rate. Having 5 children per woman is bad. We have to find a way to reduce the population ot 2 billions. These are facts. I know you don't like facts, because I haven't seen you use them much, but that's not my problem
And if our sole function is to transmit our genes to as many individuals as possible, WHY THE FUCK DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE POPULATION? We are simply doing what "evolution" chose for us to do.

You just said our sole function is to transmit our genes etc, yet you want to LIMIT this function! LMAO!!!!!!!!!! YOU HAVE LOST YOUR ARGUMENT!
 

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ParkBoyz said:
The fossil record is inadequate which is why the theory of punctuated equilibrium was proposed and similar genetic code may simply point to common design. You have no proof!:cool:
who told you the fossil record is inadequate and who told you the theory of punctuated equilibrium was proposed because of that? If it's AiG or ICR my advice is to stop reading their lies because it makes you look stupid when you use arguments that were discredited long ago
 

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HERESY said:
What does this statement have to do with anything? YOU made the claim that this museum was going to ruin a childs education. I am making the claim that if the childs education is ruined, it will go back to the nature VS nurture debate and the PARENTS responsibilty. The article YOU referenced actually SUPPORTS what I am saying.

Now where is your evidence that THE MUSEUM is going to ruin a childs education? You made the claim now back it up.
sigh...

You think you aren't. What you are is an academic who may quote all sorts of scientific data at the drop of a dime, yet you can't find your way out of a paper bag.
another sigh...


You sound like a zombie "brains....m..mo...more...br..brains..."

ThaG you know NOTHING of humantieis, psychology, criminology or law. Proof of this is when I said what I said about deja vu and you went back and DELETED your post.
I don't need to know anything about something that has nothing to do with the real world. I deleted my post because I misunderstood yours and I apologize for that.


Do you honestly believe I care about who looks down on who? LMAO! NONE of them are paying for my studies ThaG. Why would I care about what they say when law and psychology are things I enjoy? I couldn't care less about what others think, but you do. What will you say when they find out you haven't attended a world renown school such as Harvard, Stanford or Oxford?
What, what?

You'll commit suicide by hooking yourself up to some crazy contraption you invented in your uncles basement and you'll have "Mr. Spinny" in hand when they find your rotting corpse. That is your destiny. You are not destined to write articles, win a nobel prize or make a substantial contribution to society. You are will be forever bound to the siccness until your demise.
A Nobel Prize is primarily the product of fortuitous circumstance and nobody is destined to win it. Moreover, even if you've made the great discovery that deserves a Nobel, there's no guarantee you'll ever get it, I know several people who've been waiting for their prize for decades and still haven't been recognized

And STOP saying "suck it up." You aren't "THE FAMOUS GUY" or myself, and you make it sound gay as fuck.
lol

you have a monopoly over the phrase or what?


You have solidified my assessment. What I did was ask you how many friends you had and you couldn't even give me a number. In addition, you couldn't even list three things what they would say about you, yet you actually listed a value or trait that YOU yourself actually believe you hold.
How do you define a friend? Give me a definition and a way to assess people based on it and I will tell you. That's how science works, suck it up!


ThaG, much of your ideologies are directly link to nazism, and this is FACT not opinion. Do you understand what an ideology is?
Are my ideologies directly linked to nazism or you think they are superficially similar and because in your mind Nazi is the worst label you can put to a person, you use it for me.

I would say that Nazism is tightly linked to Christianity too, but I don't see you emphasizing it that much...


How is the reason religion? You are going in circles.
Read again what I posted and you might see why I am not going in circles.


If there are more religious people on the planet this is the only logical course.
Nobody talks about how many religious people are out there, I'm talking about children per woman. Stop distorting my words


That is not the question. The question is, Was religion the cause of the population before and after the era of communism?

A yes or no will suffice.
China is the only exemption from the rule, but China had 200 millions back in the middle ages so it's huge population today is not the result of anything else other than a huge population in the beginning. Everywhere else in the world the reason is religion - Africa, Latin America, the Muslim world, India, everywhere


Thanks for back peddling! BTW, these countries problems are moreso directly linked to imperialism and economic mishaps than religion.
1. these are tightly linked to religion

2. religion is still tightly linked no matter how many lies you will post claiming the opposite


ThaG, when compared to other continents, where is Afrika ranked when it comes to infant mortality, life expectancy and accesability to doctors and hospitals?
Where is Africa ranked when it comes to population growth rate, birth rate, education and number of atheists?


More nazi mentality. Kill off all the darkies because they aren't fit for survival.
quite the opposite, kill a lot of every group, more of those who need to be reduced more (there would very nice if there were no people in Central Africa or large areas in Indonesia for example, this is the only way to preserve tropical forests)


So is this a problem with population or is a problem of finding a better fuel source that won't cause these problems?
No, even if we find an alternative energy source, we still have the problems with deforestation, pollution, environment destruction, urbanization, etc. which are cause by overpopulation and nothing else.


A world of 10 billions? The world has apprx 6 billion people. When do you expect a 4 billion hike?
More twisted logic and misinterpreted facts...

WHEN THE ICE MELTS, THE WORLD WILL BE 10 BILLIONS, it is close to 7 now...


I am emphasizing what matters, and EVERYTIME I ask you about race you AVOID the issue. If something like religion plays a pivitol role in all of this, you MUST also consider the nationality and make up of those who you consider the problem. At the end of the day, the problem is CAPITALISM and IMPERIALISM that has been implemented and SHOVED down the throats of EVERY country on this planet by WHITES/EUROPEANS. FACT.
again, capitalism and imperialism are closely linked to Christianity, you are lying if you deny it, and race is not an issue because it doesn't determine your intelligence and your ability to learn. To claim otherwise is nazism....


And if our sole function is to transmit our genes to as many individuals as possible, WHY THE FUCK DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE POPULATION? We are simply doing what "evolution" chose for us to do.

You just said our sole function is to transmit our genes etc, yet you want to LIMIT this function! LMAO!!!!!!!!!! YOU HAVE LOST YOUR ARGUMENT!
more and more lies and distorting my arguments....
 

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So you prove once again that you can't back up your claims. Your entire argument is based on this museum and adverse effects on a childs education, yet you don't explain how but cite an article that has more to do with nature VS nurture than anything else.

SIGH...

another sigh...
SEE ABOVE.

I don't need to know anything about something that has nothing to do with the real world. I deleted my post because I misunderstood yours and I apologize for that.
To you, the only "real world" is science, but everything I listed branches off into science at some point. Do you NOT realize that LAW crosses into SCIENCE when you enter the realm of criminology or forensics? Do you not realize that Psychology has to do with science because you need so many science courses to major in it because you are dealing with the human brain, chemicals in the body and dna?

So when you say, "I don't need to know anything about something that has nothing to do with the real world", yet post something that is DIRECTLY linked to psychology and psychiatry, you make yourself look like a fool. You make yourself appear to be an even BIGGER fool when you jump in, are told you know nothing about the subject and delete your post.

What, what?
You read it right.

A Nobel Prize is primarily the product of fortuitous circumstance and nobody is destined to win it. Moreover, even if you've made the great discovery that deserves a Nobel, there's no guarantee you'll ever get it, I know several people who've been waiting for their prize for decades and still haven't been recognized
:rolleyes:

lol, you have a monopoly over the phrase or what?
Yes.

How do you define a friend?
In your instance, a friend is a person that will tolerate you.

Give me a definition and a way to assess people based on it and I will tell you. That's how science works, suck it up!
If they tolerate you they are your friend. If they don't drop a toaster in teh bath tub while you are bathing they are your friend.

The thing is, you can't even tell us about your friends because everyone reading your posts no you are socially impotent and this is why you drown yourself in science. ThaG you have NO social skills, and in the past I tried to tell you that in order to succeed you are going to have to learn how to talk to people, and you ADMIT that you don't know how to talk to people and fly off the handle.

Are my ideologies directly linked to nazism or you think they are superficially similar and because in your mind Nazi is the worst label you can put to a person, you use it for me.
No, your views are straight up nazi, and if I actually start going into specific things you have posted that shed light on the subject, you might actually realize the truth of my assessment. No, a nazi is not the worst you can be. The worst a person can be is a snitch or atheist.

I would say that Nazism is tightly linked to Christianity too, but I don't see you emphasizing it that much...
In some instances funded by catholics, but the core of nazi ideology is actually the occult. You should know this, because you adhere to nazism.

Read again what I posted and you might see why I am not going in circles.
You are going in circles. You are claiming religion doesn't enforce birth control, yet when I show you many religions DO enforce birth control you ignore. You are placing the blame on RELIGION, yet you also say our sole purpose is to spread our genes as much as possible. If that is the case, why blame religion for doing what you yourself claim we are designed to do?

Nobody talks about how many religious people are out there, I'm talking about children per woman. Stop distorting my words
No one is distorting your words, and your statement doesn't make any sense.

Where is Africa ranked when it comes to population growth rate, birth rate, education and number of atheists?
I asked you a direct question not a rhetorical one, so you either answer it or you can't. If you can't answer it, you show you know nothing about the problem.

China is the only exemption from the rule, but China had 200 millions back in the middle ages so it's huge population today is not the result of anything else other than a huge population in the beginning. Everywhere else in the world the reason is religion - Africa, Latin America, the Muslim world, India, everywhere
So you once again back peddle and change your story. Thanks :)

1. these are tightly linked to religion

2. religion is still tightly linked no matter how many lies you will post claiming the opposite
Can you please explain to us how imperialism and economic mishaps are tightly linked to religion?

quite the opposite, kill a lot of every group, more of those who need to be reduced more (there would very nice if there were no people in Central Africa or large areas in Indonesia for example, this is the only way to preserve tropical forests)
Kill off ethnic people and people of darker skin tones.

No, even if we find an alternative energy source, we still have the problems with deforestation, pollution, environment destruction, urbanization, etc. which are cause by overpopulation and nothing else.
So you're saying GREED has NOTHING to do with deforestation, pollution etc? So you're saying imperialism and capitalism have NOTHING to do with these things? ThaG what religious groups are spear heading a movement to cut down rain forests? Are people cutting down rain forests to offer quality housing at good rates, or are they cutting down rain forrests for their own benefit?

More twisted logic and misinterpreted facts...

WHEN THE ICE MELTS, THE WORLD WILL BE 10 BILLIONS, it is close to 7 now...
More twisted logic and misinterpreted facts? You didn't even tell us WHEN the ice was going to melt, so if you didn't tell us, why would anyone assume that the population would have grown from 6 to 10 billion at that time? :dead:

again, capitalism and imperialism are closely linked to Christianity, you are lying if you deny it, and race is not an issue because it doesn't determine your intelligence and your ability to learn. To claim otherwise is nazism....
Race doesn't determine your intelligence and ability to learn? Did you see the Oprah special about the two schools in chicago? Do you realize how poverty and racism go hand in hand?

Again, we see white/europeans spreading sickness and destruction to EVERY place they visit. And this is a COMMON factor. What I am focusing on is directly linked to science and the dna of white people. Is there something in white people that causes them to behave in this fashion?

more and more lies and distorting my arguments....
No one is distorting it. You want RELIGION to take responsibility for what you claim NATURE designed us to do.

LMAO!
 
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who told you the fossil record is inadequate and who told you the theory of punctuated equilibrium was proposed because of that? If it's AiG or ICR my advice is to stop reading their lies because it makes you look stupid when you use arguments that were discredited long ago
Wow, you're obviously not as knowledgeable as you pass yourself off to be...

Punctuated equilibrium originated as an extension of Ernst Mayr's concept of genetic revolutions by allopatric and especially peripatric speciation. Although the workings of the theory were proposed and specifically identified by Mayr in 1954, most historians of science recognize Niles Eldredge and Stephen Jay Gould's 1972 paper as the principal source of its acquiescence, and as the foundational document of a new and serious paleontological research program.[1][2] Punctuated equilibrium differed from Mayr simply in that Eldredge and Gould had placed considerably greater emphasis on stasis, whereas Mayr was generally concerned with explaining the morphological discontinuity (or "punctuational patterns") found in the fossil record.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punctuated_equilibrium#Punctuated_equilibrium.27s_history

^You're actually the one who looks stupid, LMAO!. I wonder what you'll come up with to save face.(?)
 
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ThaG said:
Anyway, I want to have discussions based on facts and evidence, not empty words and going back and forth over matters that have either been resolved decades or centuries ago or have no relevance to anything whatsoever. I don't get this and I'm starting to get mad at myself for wasting my time arguing with lunatics who refuse to listen to the scientific community as a whole and to reason and evidence, no matter how much of these you present to them
haha, classic!

Let me tell you something about HERESY. I call him the Terminator of the Gathering of Minds forum. It can't be bargained with, can't be reasoned with! It doesn't feel pity or remorse or fear, and it absolutely will not stop. EVER! Until the thread is dead!