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Although I can't speak 100% for Parkboyz, you should stop trying to appeal to the intellect of others to save face and solidify your position. No, this is NOT a bigger problem than just religion, because the underlying concept behind the museum and the complaints you guys are making are derived from religion.



With this single sentence you have LOST your " this is bigger problem" claim. If you were starving and needed some food, or had a bullet wound in your neck, that would be a problem of yours I would be concerned about. However, you finding a problem with the world, God, religion and some wack jobs because they wanted to make a museum is a bit over the top.

QUESTION: DO YOU BELIEVE IN FREEDOM OF SPEECH?



If their speech or beliefs did not INCITE TO RIOT/VIOLENCE I would have no problem with it. Do you realize that EVERY SINGLE SECOND of the day someone is coming with some WACKY belief, theory, hypothesis or conclusion?



1. They have "evidence" or "proof" the question is, "Is it reliable evidence or proof?"

2. They have the RIGHT to promote their beliefs in accordance with THE LAW OF THIS COUNTRY.

3. This is the most important one. HOW THE FUCK ARE THEY FORCING ANYTHING DOWN YOUR THROAT WHEN THEY ARE CHARGING PEOPLE TO COME AND THEIR TARGET AUDIENCE/DEMOGRAPHIC ARE CHILDREN AND CHRISTIANS?

Make sure you answer #3.



Stop trying to appeal to my intellect, and stop wasting time with flattery. I don't see a foul up when there are 159 "science" museums in this country alone. Unlike you and your side kick, I think these people are wasting their time and honestly believe the money would be better off spent by feeding the poor and helping children. As I previously stated, THAT would be a more "christian" thing to do than to build a fucked off museum, but of course people such as yourself don't actually ponder this because you have a problem with comprehension. Do I need to tell you what the exact problem is? If so I will.



You are a liar. I couldn't care less about ANYONE ridiculing it. Go back and R-E-A-D what I said about the damn museum. I RIDICULED IT. What, YOU, thaG, 206, Hutch and SEVERAL others do is teach the board hypocrisy 101. What I am simply pointing out is you guys are getting your "my first panties" all knotted up over something trivial.

And IF you guys are ridiculing it, you PROVED my claim that this thread was created solely for the intent to ridicule another persons beliefs to be 100% accurate. In addition, you fully validate my claim that NAZI MODDING is a common occurance in this forum. :dead:

Yes, you guys DO need to suck it up, because all I am reading is some crazy conspiracy theory by thaG and a wacky rant by you and others who find this "disturbing" or "troubling".

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Ill just say....LoL.

I knew it would come to this.

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ParkBoyz said:
^^Childish..:rolleyes:

excellent rebuttal......:cool:

For real though, I got respect for you and Heresy. I thinks its childish that I give you both compliments (as well as the benefit of the doubt) you both are smart individuals, yet, here comes HERESY telling me to "quit playing into my intellect"...."quit with the flattery"....

Damn homie....Im not trying to fuck you...im just telling you what I believe.

After reading that the first time in his reply, I see where he stands or where he thinks he is standing (on top of us). There is no time to argue on the board. I stated my position.

I have learned arguing with HERESY is like arguing with my wife. Its pointless.



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Edit**

Ill just say....LoL.

I knew it would come to this.
You asked several questions (take notes thaG), I answered, presented you with questions derived from your own words, and the only thing you have to say is "lol".

For real though, I got respect for you and Heresy. I thinks its childish that I give you both compliments (as well as the benefit of the doubt) you both are smart individuals, yet, here comes HERESY telling me to "quit playing into my intellect"...."quit with the flattery"....
Because I watched several of you guys recently, and you come with snide underhanded comments. I'm only now pointing it out and laying it on the table. And yes, you were attempting to appeal to intellect and rely on flattery to get the job done. Thanks but no thanks bucko. I'm on to you.

Damn homie....Im not trying to fuck you...im just telling you what I believe.
Yet when someone tells you what THEY believe they are FORCING IT DOWN YOUR THROAT.

After reading that the first time in his reply, I see where he stands or where he thinks he is standing (on top of us). There is no time to argue on the board. I stated my position.
I treat EVERYONE equal until you cats force me to pull your cards. The bottom line is several of you do that sly shit on the under and actually think I don't peep it out, but I do.

I have learned arguing with HERESY is like arguing with my wife. Its pointless.
See look at you. You just can't leave well enough alone can you? See, you and several others here attack people with spiritual beliefs and all you pitiful souls claim "we" aren't open minded. Yet why is it that YOU GUYS are the ones complaining about this museum? Why is it that YOU GUYS are the ones making threads bashing others?

You are not arguing with me, son. You have no argument because you failed to defend your position and actually murdered it without my help. If this were policy debate this would have ended as soon as you made your response, but because it isn't I have to put your posts on the chopping block and dismantle it.

The bottom line is this, you and others DESPISE free thinkers and freedom of speech. You and your pals make a mockery of these things, and you do it under the guise of "science" or any warped and contorted ideology your minds can come up with.

Suck it up bucko.
 

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HERESY said:
Yet if you look at the debates between you and myself (especially the one in regards to dinosaurs and birds), you'll see that I didn't do ANY of the ones you listed. In fact, YOU did ALL of them. Dig it up pal, and you'll see that you did EVERY SINGLE ONE! LMAO!
I am only guilty in using ad hominem arguments sometimes and insulting people but this is only when the same tactics has already been used against me (which happens quite often)

BTW your signature is classical example of what I'm talking about
 

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ParkBoyz said:
The flaws in this are vast but the first is that it uses a blanket term like "creationist" to undermine the variability of opinion and different approaches to an argument. It tries to deceptively cover every aspect of a potential argument, and downplay it, attributing it to a specific group and this group being anyone who disagrees with evolution, we can lump them all into a single entity labeled "creationist". It's also as heresy accused you of doing, "begging the question" and/or consists of circular arguments. It assumes/implies that the only way for a creationist to offer a seemingly decent argument is to present these fallacies, alluding to the belief that before you even get started, just keep in mind that your opponent is wrong no matter what and if he/she sounds logical, they must be using one of these fallacies, lol! As far as the example of astrophysics and cellular biology being distantly related (as it concerns evolution) is absurd since scientists use a multidisciplinary approach when confirming results. For example, if we can find out that the universe was created, then Cellular Biology is useless in explaining the origins of life on this planet since our planet fits neatly inside of the universe.
You're making the same mistakes others have made before you - evolution is real no matter how the universe first originated. Not only that, it is real no matter how life itself originated, the evidence is so strong and impossible to refute that we can be as sure about this fact as we're sure we're having this argument here

That we have very good godless explanations for the origin of life, planets and the universe is a different story
 

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|GOD|||ZILLA| said:
yeah.. who cares.. it's nothin' compared to the jesus camp.
it's much worse than the Jesus Camp

the Jesus Camp is not claiming all natural sciences are wrong (physics, astronomy, geology, chemistry and biology) and we should abandon all of them if they don't fit what the Bible says

Jesus Camp can brainwash a thousand kids, openly promoting Creationism will brainwash millions
 

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HERESY said:
3. This is the most important one. HOW THE FUCK ARE THEY FORCING ANYTHING DOWN YOUR THROAT WHEN THEY ARE CHARGING PEOPLE TO COME AND THEIR TARGET AUDIENCE/DEMOGRAPHIC ARE CHILDREN AND CHRISTIANS?
the key word is Children...
 

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HERESY said:
You asked several questions (take notes thaG), I answered, presented you with questions derived from your own words, and the only thing you have to say is "lol".
Are you going to tell us whether you believe the Earth is 6000 years old or not?

If you don't do it, I will consider you believe it, because you are defending the Creation Museum

There are three possible reasons to do that that I can think of:

1. You believe in YEC

In this case your an extremely stupid and ignorant person. Sorry to say but everybody who believes that kind of nonsense is stupid and ignorant

2. You defend it just for the sake of arguing with me (a tendency I've noticed several times)

3. You think that freedom of speech includes the right to promote lies and brainwash children

In this case you're being intellectually dishonest and you support mental child abuse

You lose in all three cases, but I would like to have my question answered

This is not the first time I ask it in case you don't remember...
 

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Are you going to tell us whether you believe the Earth is 6000 years old or not?
Again, I'm not going to jump through hoops or loops. You aren't going to "trap" me, so I suggest the next time you want to ask a question that you phrase it in the proper fashion and DON'T poison the well. I gave you THREE specific reasons WHY I was NOT going to answer you, and they ALL had one thing in common. I am NOT going to sit here and explain this to you over and over. You sound like a parrot or 4 bar loop "are you gonna answer my question?", "are you gonna answer my question?", "are you gonna answer my question?", "are you gonna answer my question?"..........

If you don't do it, I will consider you believe it, because you are defending the Creation Museum
thaG do you think I CARE about what you consider or what you think I believe? You are a moron. I am defending their FREEDOM of SPEECH and EXPRESSION. I am NOT defending the museum. Do you see the difference between the two you moron, or do I have to use MIGHTY SHOUTING WORDS, change the size and color of the font, and actually make another diss song about a fellow member so you will actually comprehend what I am saying?

1. You believe in YEC

In this case your an extremely stupid and ignorant person. Sorry to say but everybody who believes that kind of nonsense is stupid and ignorant
With this you have proven what I have already said. It doesn't matter HOW I answer because NOTHING is going to change. When I said, "and why if I DID "answer" your FUCKED OFF gibberish the outcome would STILL be the same..." I already anticipated what you would do and look what you did. You prove me right time and time again thaG. Any SANE person with the ability to critically read or think wouldn't have pondered answering your "question" BECAUSE NO MATTER THE ANSWER, YOU HAD YOUR FUCKED UP MIND ALREADY MADE UP! Proof that you had your mind already made up is because you DIDN'T give me a chance to "answer" the question and POSIONED THE WELL and relied on two other fallacies (GO BACK AND READ YOUR ORIGINAL STATEMENT AND PAY ATTENTION TO THE WORDS IN PARENTHESIS.)

This is why you are a DUMMY, thaG. You can have all the book smarts in the world, but you can't THINK critically my friend.

2. You defend it just for the sake of arguing with me (a tendency I've noticed several times)
Once again I'll prove you are a LIAR.

1. I rarely start convo's with you. In all honesty, I actually hate going back and forth with you, because I honestly believe you are NOT sane. Yes, people say I am not sane, and most of teh time it is because they are upset and have some gripe, but son your posts show MANY classic signs of a person who is unstable.

2. This is the killer right here and this will shatter your #2. Go to page 2 of this thread. Who has the first post? YOU. Did I say ANYTHING to YOU or was I talking to someone else? Who initiated the convo between yourself and I? :dead:

And guess what else you did when initiated the convo? YOU set the standard for how the convo was going to flow. You tried to be funny guy and mentioned something about spelll check. LMAO!

3. You think that freedom of speech includes the right to promote lies and brainwash children
You think it is ok to KILL 650,000 people, a large portion of them children, because of over population. Can you see why my claims that you aren't sane have merit?

thaG: "kill them we need population control and bones are more important"

thaG: "teaching ID or Creationism/Creationalism (lol) is child abuse"

Your priorities are FUCKED OFF, and NO MEMBER on this site who is SANE or HALF-WAY sane would agree with your priorities.

In this case you're being intellectually dishonest and you support mental child abuse
Yet you support the actual murder of children for dinosaur bones. Read the sig.

You lose in all three cases, but I would like to have my question answered
You speak as a fool.

This is not the first time I ask it in case you don't remember...
I have explained WHY I am NOT going to answer you. I have provided you with a very logical reason, and I actually took some time to EXPLAIN it. If you CANNOT comprehend what I told you, I can do one of several things. I can shoot you some pdf books via email so you can step your critical thinking skills up, or I can shoot you the number to the nearest mental health facility in your area.
 

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HERESY said:
Read my sig. Those are your words. How many of those 650,000 were children?
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9) WHEN CORNERED, CHANGE THE SUBJECT.

Always have material from several different subjects ready to present. When you find yourself out of your depth in one, be ready to duck into another. Chances are, your opponent will not be an expert in that other subject. This is particularly true if you choose subjects that are distantly related, such as cellular biology and astrophysics. Ideally, you will have set this dodge up while you have been burying your opponent in quotes.

10) WHEN REALLY CORNERED, CALL NAMES.

With sufficient imagination, any of society's ills may be attributed to the beliefs of "evolutionists". Ignore the fact that most, if not all, of these ills existed long before Darwin ever drew breath. Asserting links between evolution and such movements as Marxism, Communism and Nazism is a popular form of mud slinging. If you have been making use of technique #7, accuse your opponent of being as bad as the people you've been citing.

This is even more effective if you can manage to goad your opponent into a display of impatience, disdain or temper using any of these techniques.
 

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HERESY said:
Again, I'm not going to jump through hoops or loops. You aren't going to "trap" me, so I suggest the next time you want to ask a question that you phrase it in the proper fashion and DON'T poison the well. I gave you THREE specific reasons WHY I was NOT going to answer you, and they ALL had one thing in common. I am NOT going to sit here and explain this to you over and over. You sound like a parrot or 4 bar loop "are you gonna answer my question?", "are you gonna answer my question?", "are you gonna answer my question?", "are you gonna answer my question?"..........
the question is do you think the Earth is 6000 years old or not

just say "yes" or "no", it's as simple as that

you refuse to answer every time you're asked this question and this is called being intellectually dishonesty and coward


thaG do you think I CARE about what you consider or what you think I believe? You are a moron. I am defending their FREEDOM of SPEECH and EXPRESSION. I am NOT defending the museum. Do you see the difference between the two you moron, or do I have to use MIGHTY SHOUTING WORDS, change the size and color of the font, and actually make another diss song about a fellow member so you will actually comprehend what I am saying?
so it's case 3 I guess....

and you don't believe in YEC but you defend the right of some frauds to ruin the education of kids who attend the museum?

With this you have proven what I have already said. It doesn't matter HOW I answer because NOTHING is going to change.
It does matter what you answer

I am trying to have discussions based on reason and evidence, what I am getting is How-To-Have-10,000-Posts-Without-Ever-Really-Saying-Anything 101

When I said, "and why if I DID "answer" your FUCKED OFF gibberish the outcome would STILL be the same..." I already anticipated what you would do and look what you did. You prove me right time and time again thaG. Any SANE person with the ability to critically read or think wouldn't have pondered answering your "question" BECAUSE NO MATTER THE ANSWER, YOU HAD YOUR FUCKED UP MIND ALREADY MADE UP! Proof that you had your mind already made up is because you DIDN'T give me a chance to "answer" the question and POSIONED THE WELL and relied on two other fallacies (GO BACK AND READ YOUR ORIGINAL STATEMENT AND PAY ATTENTION TO THE WORDS IN PARENTHESIS.)
Where is the answer?

This is why you are a DUMMY, thaG. You can have all the book smarts in the world, but you can't THINK critically my friend.
years of journal clubs, reading papers, solving problems and designing, performing and analyzing experiments give much better training in critical thinking than any bullshit humanity education you can get

so much better some people can't even notice it....


Once again I'll prove you are a LIAR.

1. I rarely start convo's with you. In all honesty, I actually hate going back and forth with you, because I honestly believe you are NOT sane. Yes, people say I am not sane, and most of teh time it is because they are upset and have some gripe, but son your posts show MANY classic signs of a person who is unstable.

2. This is the killer right here and this will shatter your #2. Go to page 2 of this thread. Who has the first post? YOU. Did I say ANYTHING to YOU or was I talking to someone else? Who initiated the convo between yourself and I? :dead:
You are the one who started with the ad hominem arguments a long time ago. I am not a native english speaker and I do not claim to know the language better than most people here and I do make mistakes. Yet instead of focusing on what I'm saying, you and others started arguing about how the way I am saying it discredits what I am saying. This was long before my post on page 2 and if I had the time to look for posts I would give you plenty of examples.


And guess what else you did when initiated the convo? YOU set the standard for how the convo was going to flow. You tried to be funny guy and mentioned something about spelll check. LMAO!
Yes, because you misspelled the same word the same way twice in the same post. This can't be a coincidence unless you type by copy-pasting the words you already typed.

I make mistakes in English and I admit it, the difference between me and you is that I never make mistakes in my own language, even with very sophisticated words.

Suck it up!


You think it is ok to KILL 650,000 people, a large portion of them children, because of over population. Can you see why my claims that you aren't sane have merit?

thaG: "kill them we need population control and bones are more important"

thaG: "teaching ID or Creationism/Creationalism (lol) is child abuse"
These are two completely different things

We need a decrease in population (5 billions to be exact) and very good purely secular education for the rest.

We definitely don't need all those children in the third world who are destined to become either uneducated indoctrinated fanatics, or uneducated and ignorant cheap work force, or both. We also don't need more fat dumb ignorant american kids rejecting science and thinking they know better; plus USA is overpopulated too.

The problem is that the two things (ignorance, religion and lack of education/miseducation on one side and overpopulation on the other) are closely connected as every major religion teaches that birth control is a bad thing and people should have as many kids as possible. There is an inverse correlation between the educational status of people and the number of kids they have and the opposite is true about religion (both Christianity and Islam)

In summary: to solve the overpopulation problem we need to get rid of religion and give children very good education so they 1. don't have more than one kid, 2. realize the significance of the problem

And since it's already late and we're already using 30% more resources than the planet can provide, we need to somehow get rid of 5 billion people ASAP. I know the truth hurts, but that doesn't make it less true

Your priorities are FUCKED OFF, and NO MEMBER on this site who is SANE or HALF-WAY sane would agree with your priorities.
The rational and sane thing to do is to kill 5 billions. Immediately. The rational and sane person also realizes this is impossible. The irrational and insane person prefers to bury his head in the sand as if the problem doesn't exist


Yet you support the actual murder of children for dinosaur bones. Read the sig.
Yes, I do and I spent a significant amount of time explaining you why. We have too many children, so many it's fucking up everything. We have very few bones which can help us understand the history of the planet. It's obvious which is more important, you just need to look at the bigger picture to understand


You speak as a fool.



I have explained WHY I am NOT going to answer you. I have provided you with a very logical reason, and I actually took some time to EXPLAIN it. If you CANNOT comprehend what I told you, I can do one of several things. I can shoot you some pdf books via email so you can step your critical thinking skills up, or I can shoot you the number to the nearest mental health facility in your area.
I can shoot you some books that might improve your science education so you stop supporting anti-scientific positions. Are you going to read them? I doubt it. Save yourself the effort, I don't need your pdfs
 
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You asked several questions (take notes thaG), I answered, presented you with questions derived from your own words, and the only thing you have to say is "lol".



Because I watched several of you guys recently, and you come with snide underhanded comments. I'm only now pointing it out and laying it on the table. And yes, you were attempting to appeal to intellect and rely on flattery to get the job done. Thanks but no thanks bucko. I'm on to you.



Yet when someone tells you what THEY believe they are FORCING IT DOWN YOUR THROAT.



I treat EVERYONE equal until you cats force me to pull your cards. The bottom line is several of you do that sly shit on the under and actually think I don't peep it out, but I do.



See look at you. You just can't leave well enough alone can you? See, you and several others here attack people with spiritual beliefs and all you pitiful souls claim "we" aren't open minded. Yet why is it that YOU GUYS are the ones complaining about this museum? Why is it that YOU GUYS are the ones making threads bashing others?

You are not arguing with me, son. You have no argument because you failed to defend your position and actually murdered it without my help. If this were policy debate this would have ended as soon as you made your response, but because it isn't I have to put your posts on the chopping block and dismantle it.

The bottom line is this, you and others DESPISE free thinkers and freedom of speech. You and your pals make a mockery of these things, and you do it under the guise of "science" or any warped and contorted ideology your minds can come up with.

Suck it up bucko.

The fact is I could have answered all your questions thoroughly...and where would that have gotten me with you?

No where.

Much like how ThaG answers all your questions and continues to go round for round with you, but where does that get him with you?

Once again I'll prove you are a LIAR.
You are a moron.
This is why you are a DUMMY, thaG. You can have all the book smarts in the world, but you can't THINK critically my friend.
You speak as a fool.
There is some researched knowledge for you backing up my claim. :ermm:
HERESY you are on this board daily with the biggest EGO problem and everyone can see it. I have yet to see you actually admit to being wrong about something, or being "taught" something. You dont know everything about everything, so please quit acting like you do. SUCK THAT UP.

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The fact is I could have answered all your questions thoroughly...and where would that have gotten me with you?

No where.
The fact that you get nowhere with me is YOUR problem NOT mine. Step YOUR game up, if you feel INADEQUETE and as if you're going nowhere.

Next time, DON'T ask me any questions and you won't have to worry about me decapitating every "point" you can muster.

Much like how ThaG answers all your questions and continues to go round for round with you, but where does that get him with you?
You are an idiot. What questions of mine has thaG answered? The only question I have asked him that was NOT a rhetorical one was "How the fuck is this a question?", and did you read his response? LMAO@YOU!

Now enough about thaG lets talk about YOU, how I answered YOUR madness and how you're now dancing around questions like a sissy. Even another member had to point this out to you. Better yet, lets NOT talk about it, because I want to finish this reply a.s.a.p so I can laugh at your next response.

There is some researched knowledge for you backing up my claim.
That doesn't even make sense. Thumbs down on that one.

HERESY you are on this board daily with the biggest EGO problem and everyone can see it.
First of all, do you think I care about what any of you think? Honestly, do you REALLY think I care about what ANY of you think about ME? If you believe I care you are an idiot. The ONLY opinions on this site that matters to me are the opinions of my CLIENTS, and their opinions are BUSINESS in nature.

What I am doing now is giving several of you a dose of your own medicine and no longer holding my peace in certain areas. That my friend is what you, 206, thaG, hutch and others despise. THAT is why your mod attempted to silence my voice, but if you want to call taking off the gloves and mashing on you fleas an "EGO problem" thats on you.

You people bath in hypocrisy, openly mock others, but when someone exalts themselves above you, in a similar fashion you do others, you call the person egotistical and go so far as to edit the posts.

Suck it up. When was the last time you saw someone making a thread bashing atheism? Yet the FIRST thing off of your greasy paws or out of your mouth is "they are close minded." If you can't handle this shit I'm launching your way, you have some choices to make that can easily rectify the situation.

A.) Place me on ignore.

B.) Pay me to place you on ignore.

C.) Stop behaving in a hypocritical fashion.

Failing to utilize one of these options WILL cause me to slice & dice your posts and get YOU to do my dirty work for me.

I have yet to see you actually admit to being wrong about something, or being "taught" something.
There are several reasons why you don't see me actually admitting I am wrong. The first reason may be because I choose my battles WISELY. The second reason may be because I am the only polymath/renaissance man you have EVER encountered in your life. A third reason may be because you don't READ enough. Keep thinking I'm perfect guy. Continue to waste time thinking "heresy is this" and "heresy is that".

You dont know everything about everything, so please quit acting like you do. SUCK THAT UP.
Never claimed I did which is why I pick my battles wisely. Do you see me babbling on with thaG about specific genetic sequences? You are simply JEALOUS because you lack the wisdom and intelligence that I have. Seriously, when has ANYONE on this board EVER come to you for advice? When has ANYONE on this board EVER made an open thread with your name in it and wanted to speak with you, rather it be good or bad? Never.

Now if you CONTINUE to go there with me, I am going to start sticking you where it hurts, and I'm giving you fair warning. When I start doing that NOTHING is sacred. So if you don't want me to start saying some shit that will REALLY get you riled up and thinking "damn he went there with me he ain't cool" I suggest you leave me the fuck alone and stay out my scope.

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