Studio Time with ?uestlove

  • Wanna Join? New users you can now register lightning fast using your Facebook or Twitter accounts.
Apr 26, 2006
4,496
3
0
38
#42
CcytzO_Loc said:
that club beat is mediocre at best.....it could sound a lot better with the right sounds in it......

you need better plug ins the ones you use sound too computerish....

i just made this one it aint hyphy its more mob maybe youll like it.....

http://www.zshare.net/audio/2992248f0c76d4/

How does it sound too computerish. Their your traditional trance leads. I don't hear nothing wrong with them. I actually did use native FL Studio plugins in this one, Sytrus for the fat Trance lead and Poizone for that Arp sounding chord. Used Hydra for the bassline. Hydra is a good plugin, I used it for the bassline in that Drum N Bass beat as well. Those plugins actually ain't bad at all. It could of probably been mixed better or use different FX, but the sounds are good I think. The sounds themselves fit this style of track I think.


As far as your beat, everything sounds good except the bassline. The bassline sounds too fake, it doesn't have enough punch either, a little distorted as well. I would go with a fatter round bassline. Now this sounds computerish I think. I don't care for that last Hyphy part either, it's better without it IMO.
 
C

CcytzO_Loc

Guest
#43
after you use some better plugins you can tell the difference.....i used to use some of them FL ones like sytrus but Atmosphere and Nexus sound hella better and more like hardware......

and i intended for the bassline to sound like that....its from sample tank and has its own distortion effect on it.....i aint got Trilogy on this comp or i would have way better soundin bass......

plus i aint using no midi board cuz mines is at the studio....im just using the typin keyboard on my moms computer at her house with no good soundcard or interface and lil speakers.....makes a big difference when im at the studio and im using the Tascam interface and emu midi board and hearing it on monitors.......
 
Apr 26, 2006
4,496
3
0
38
#44
CcytzO_Loc said:
after you use some better plugins you can tell the difference.....i used to use some of them FL ones like sytrus but Atmosphere and Nexus sound hella better and more like hardware......

and i intended for the bassline to sound like that....its from sample tank and has its own distortion effect on it.....i aint got Trilogy on this comp or i would have way better soundin bass......

plus i aint using no midi board cuz mines is at the studio....im just using the typin keyboard on my moms computer at her house with no good soundcard or interface and lil speakers.....makes a big difference when im at the studio and im using the Tascam interface and emu midi board and hearing it on monitors.......
To tell you the truth, I don't even use Sytrus that much because I don't like it's interface. For some odd reason, I just happened to use it because I liked that Trance Lead Patch ("EuroGate" to be exact). Sytrus and Poizone are actually good synths though. I like Poizone better, it's kinda like Vanguard. Remember their not sampled based so they produce their sound in real time like a real synthesizer does just as a minimoog or Nordlead,etc... So with that being the case, their pretty good at what they do. A Sawtooth wave is a Sawtooth wave, what can make it sound better is the filtering and all that FX. A lot of shit with Nexus and Atmosphere can sound really good str8 off the bat because their there's a lot of FX on them and shit like compression to make them stand out even more. Not that Nexus and Atmosphere ain't great, but with a little more tweaking and FX, those tradtional VSTi synths can sound just as good. I like the raw form you get with tradtional realtime synthsis VSTs.

I don't understand what makes these 2 leads (below) sound computerish or "fruityloopish," whether they were made with Imageline plugins or not. Their just basic trance leads that could have been made with many other synths. Could have been Z3ta+, could have been Vanguard, could have been Nexus, could have been Hypersonic,etc... I probably could have opened up the cutoff filter a bit on that first lead to give it a bit more presense in the highs, but the sound is still usuable regardless, the idea behind it is still there whether that's the type of trance lead you prefer or not. Maybe you prefer a different type of lead sound, I dunno.

http://www.zshare.net/audio/2992630f7bf15e/


Of course the mixing process can make a big difference in quality as well. This was made quickly as well.


Now like this Trance beat that I showed you earlier:
http://www.zshare.net/audio/29784644e5dd33/
It sounds a lot better sonically. I mixed it better I think.
 

Equiv_Exchange

Equivalent Exchange
May 2, 2007
73
34
18
39
#45
CcytzO_Loc said:
that beat is pretty tight though Equiv....you and Vince V. the only tight ones ive heard in that contest so far......
Right on, I appreciate it. I guess it doesn't matter though, cause I just looked at the rules and found out I can't win because I'm not old enough.

Damn...
 

50cal

Sicc OG
Apr 12, 2005
6,109
5
0
54
www.freeloadmp3.com
#46
Thats the problem...I keep hearing that we gotta progress.Yeah we progressed from a art that was a beautiful thing to some garbage....Forever in my life Ive always heard if it aint broke dont fix it. I aint mad that people are listening to other stuff,if thats what they like cool.doesnt make yesterdays songs not good.Ive never been a trend follower so I dont feel the need to do or say ,walk talk,dress in a certain way. When i listen to music...I may or may not like that particular style or genre,but i can hear if it was done nicely...whether its G Rap or Hyphy when i hear the beat I can judge each one wheteher i like it or not and say that was well done..
 
C

CcytzO_Loc

Guest
#47
^thats real.....i dont like all kinds a music but even the shit i dont like i can listen to and tell its been created with talent or not and to say every single hyphy beat is garbage sounds more like hater talk with a tinge of some kinda envy or something cuz for one...i doubt we've heard every hyphy beat...2 i've kicced it with Ric Roc and i know for a fact that he got more talent than most "producers" in just his left pinky so just cuz he makes a lot of hyphy beats (mostly by request) doesnt mean he's wacc or talentless hes just doing his job and making money at the same time....and thats what im trying to do my damn self....
 
Apr 26, 2006
4,496
3
0
38
#49
CcytzO_Loc said:
^thats real.....i dont like all kinds a music but even the shit i dont like i can listen to and tell its been created with talent or not and to say every single hyphy beat is garbage sounds more like hater talk with a tinge of some kinda envy or something cuz for one...i doubt we've heard every hyphy beat...2 i've kicced it with Ric Roc and i know for a fact that he got more talent than most "producers" in just his left pinky so just cuz he makes a lot of hyphy beats (mostly by request) doesnt mean he's wacc or talentless hes just doing his job and making money at the same time....and thats what im trying to do my damn self....

True, there probably IS some well made Hyphy beats. But why choose the Hyphy route when you have the capability of making better music. It's like downgrading yourself as a producer. To me, I see Hyphy as one-dimensional, it's just party music and that's it because all the beats are fast, uptempo, hi-pitched, just lots of rhythm that pretty much limits it to only dance music. Why does everything have to be all about dancing n shit these days, I don't get it. Heck their not even dancing to top it off, their just in one stationary position rockin back n forth doing the bird n shit while making silly grining faces. Whatever happened to chill out sounding rap, shit that you can kick back n smoke, have a beer to, dance smooth n sexual with a bitch,etc...? Kids are gonna burn themselves out by the time they hit their 30s if this shit continues, drug usage n shit like extasy gonna fuck them up too even more.


It's everything too that kind of saddens me, not just the sound of the music. The whole glamour thing in all that shit is just a big joke. People trying to rock expensive ass clotching and big cars, yet they still live with their mom or have a shitty ass pad. It's a big fake life. Everything about the Hiphop culture back then was just more real, that's why I have a lot more respect for it. Shit was ghetto, but in a good way. There was a hell of a lot more culture back then. People seem to be forgetting their roots. Trying to act like their the rappers making the big money n shit.
 
C

CcytzO_Loc

Guest
#50
BOOBOO619 said:
True, there probably IS some well made Hyphy beats. But why choose the Hyphy route when you have the capability of making better music. It's like downgrading yourself as a producer. To me, I see Hyphy as one-dimensional, it's just party music and that's it because all the beats are fast, uptempo, hi-pitched, just lots of rhythm that pretty much limits it to only dance music. Why does everything have to be all about dancing n shit these days, I don't get it. Heck their not even dancing to top it off, their just in one stationary position rockin back n forth doing the bird n shit while making silly grining faces. Whatever happened to chill out sounding rap, shit that you can kick back n smoke, have a beer to, dance smooth n sexual with a bitch,etc...? Kids are gonna burn themselves out by the time they hit their 30s if this shit continues, drug usage n shit like extasy gonna fuck them up too even more.

like i said before you aint in the scene....your speaking on what you think is going on but your not even close to right....i go to clubs 21 n over its not kids just like its not kids making the music.....ric roc way older than me and im almost 30.....grown people is feeling the music....you just aint cuz thats the type a person you are and you wasnt raised in this scene...hyphy is a new trend but its been a way of life in Nor Cal for way longer than someone from somewhere else would know.....i remember sideshows in the early 90's.....its just mob music gone wild and to the club....it makes money and it makes people feel good just like drugs.....i dont see nuttin wrong with that....why should we spend all our time working on music to do drive by's to????

besides its not like all we make is hyphy music....we got kicc bacc songs and we still got the mob we got sampled kanye west style shit....we got east coast soundin shit....thats what makes Northern Cali/Bay Area such a great place cuz we aint on no one particular style but we throw our own swag into everything we do and it seems like people from other places arent satisfied in just ignoring it or not feeling it and keeping it to themselves they have to go on and on and express how much they hate it or how its stupid....meanwhile we making money we getting pussy we getting famous and we having a good time and aint worried about the haters or what they doing......thats why its such a success and will continue to be one......even if it dies out across the nation we are a big enough market to sustain it ourselves and it doesnt really matter cuz Nor Cal/Bay is pretty much its own state and we have millions of dollars within our reach.....
 
C

CcytzO_Loc

Guest
#51
BOOBOO619 said:
True, there probably IS some well made Hyphy beats. But why choose the Hyphy route when you have the capability of making better music. It's like downgrading yourself as a producer. To me, I see Hyphy as one-dimensional, it's just party music and that's it because all the beats are fast, uptempo, hi-pitched, just lots of rhythm that pretty much limits it to only dance music. Why does everything have to be all about dancing n shit these days, I don't get it. Heck their not even dancing to top it off, their just in one stationary position rockin back n forth doing the bird n shit while making silly grining faces. Whatever happened to chill out sounding rap, shit that you can kick back n smoke, have a beer to, dance smooth n sexual with a bitch,etc...? Kids are gonna burn themselves out by the time they hit their 30s if this shit continues, drug usage n shit like extasy gonna fuck them up too even more.


It's everything too that kind of saddens me, not just the sound of the music. The whole glamour thing in all that shit is just a big joke. People trying to rock expensive ass clotching and big cars, yet they still live with their mom or have a shitty ass pad. It's a big fake life. Everything about the Hiphop culture back then was just more real, that's why I have a lot more respect for it. Shit was ghetto, but in a good way. There was a hell of a lot more culture back then. People seem to be forgetting their roots. Trying to act like their the rappers making the big money n shit.
again your making generalizations on shit you dont know nuttin about......how often do you kicc it with these people you talking about and who are they????? all the rappers and producers i know in this scene dont live with they mommas and talk about glamorous shit cuz they ARE living it.....you think its fake thats your problem....i seen it i KNOW its real so what you THINK is pointless.....i been on both sides of the tracc but why focus all the attention on being poor and broke and reminding myself on how hard life is when im doing music to try and feel good???? i dont wanna leave the studio/club/party feeling more depressed then when i went in and neither does anyone else.....people purchase music and go out to entertain themselves to get away from the bullshit not to dwell in it......
 
Apr 26, 2006
4,496
3
0
38
#52
CcytzO_Loc said:
again your making generalizations on shit you dont know nuttin about......how often do you kicc it with these people you talking about and who are they????? all the rappers and producers i know in this scene dont live with they mommas and talk about glamorous shit cuz they ARE living it.....you think its fake thats your problem....i seen it i KNOW its real so what you THINK is pointless.....i been on both sides of the tracc but why focus all the attention on being poor and broke and reminding myself on how hard life is when im doing music to try and feel good???? i dont wanna leave the studio/club/party feeling more depressed then when i went in and neither does anyone else.....people purchase music and go out to entertain themselves to get away from the bullshit not to dwell in it......
I was actually referring to the lifestyle of the fans, not the life styles of the Rappers or producers. Of course the Rappers and producers are the ones making the BIG money.

Also, Never did I mention that Rappers should rap about being poor or any negative shit. I just said, it seems like their forgetting their roots, their culture.


Old Bay was better, nuff said. New Bay Area is trying too hard, they don't got half the talent that Old Bay had.

Show me something good and that you like, post up a link. YouTube or whatever. I wanna hear what you like.
 
C

CcytzO_Loc

Guest
#53
^lol@the new bay dont have half the talent comment....you just a stucc in the old days ass mafucca mayne come on now....

you aint ever heard of Ya Boy???? Big Rich???? Balance???? Locksmith???? theres hundreds more of talented "new" bay area rappers and plenty of old ones who do it along side the new ones.....

mac Dre was mob to the fullest but he was one of the major contributers and leaders of the hyphy movement and all his shit was and is still tight.....

i aint got time to search for shit on internet.... i dont even really know where to start looking cuz i dont really download shit or listen to shit online like that.....i buy cds or get copies from homies... i can name a lot of shit i like but its too much to name.... i like most of the bay area/nor cal artists but not always every song....

but as far as real talent goes Ya Boy would be somewhere at the top of the list cuz of his lyrical skills.....Yukmouth is one of my favorite artists but hes considered old bay.....mac dres brother young duna is hard.....J Diggs is from the old but gets down with the new and got tight shit.....

but i also like X Raided cuz he is extremely underrated and would eat up most rappers lyric wise.....

Tech N9ne is also one of my favs and he from KC.....he gets hyphy and gangsta though.......

i can appreciate a lot of forms of hip hop and grew up with the old school and grew into the new......i have fond memories of all the g funk but its not relevant for anything more than reminiscing....i dont feel any need to say i hate it now though or any of the other forms of music i dont really listen to....i just do that....not listen to it....i dont form opinions and assumptions of what the fans think or what level of intellect or realness they possess....it doesnt concern me that much.....to see that it concerns you enough to have all these opinions means you got some issues.....its almost as bad as racism....its a form of prejudice and bottom line its haterism......
 
Apr 26, 2006
4,496
3
0
38
#55
This is the best I could find.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Xjlrlrzza0o

He sounds like any other Dirty South Rapper though. Raspy voice, slow flow.

This is the Bay I know:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=MSnJQS-rKJU
http://youtube.com/watch?v=iP_qiQtb_jQ


Now that shit sounds smooth and smooth flows.


Just check this shit out below, it DESTROYS anything your talking about and it's only freestyles. Back then the vibe was sicker, just admit it. That was some REAL shit back then. None of this candy shit.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=mULKU6sohsA

How the fuck can one have a session like that to a hyphy beat and flow at the same time.


What I don't understand either is how someone can like X-Raided, yet still like Hyphy. What a major downgrade.
 
Apr 26, 2006
4,496
3
0
38
#56
Another thing, I don't know about you, but I'm Mexican. I just can't relate to Hyphy or any of the new Rap. I just can't see myself dancing in a silly way or listening to some of the shit they say. It just ain't my thing, I'll leave it for the black folks, it's there's, they made it up. However, I could relate to Old Bay though because of the style of lyrics and music. Every Mexican I know is the same and a lot of them down here that are true to their roots say the same shit. They all prefer 90's Rap. It's not racism, it's just that we can't relate to this new style. It's like a Black trying to get into Chicano Rap, most of them just can't feel it. It's like trying to get into coutry music, I just can't do it, it's the white mans music, I don't have the ear for it, just as I don't have the ear for Hyphy.
 
C

CcytzO_Loc

Guest
#57
yeah thats your world....hyphy is only a blacc thing to you cuz you watch youtube n see them showing sideshows in east oakland n shit......but thats just one place.....you see the real world where i live and dwell in its all races who are at the clubs and shows and on the streets in all these cities........and a good amount us latinos included.....we aint racist or separatists up here....theres certain individuals who might be but its hard to not mix all our cultures the way we all live amongst each other.....thats what america is supposed to be about right????

dont mean i aint involved in my own culture and roots.....im half cuban and half mexican....i been around all kinds a music growing up.....corridos, rancheros, cumbia, salsa, merengue all that latin shit along with pop r&b and hip hop......i even like some of the reggaeton beats...i grew up in a musical family....my dad is from cuba he plays congas and bongos n other percussion and i played the sax in school band when i was a kid and i was the best in my class at it.....always was 1st chair in the sax section.....all that combined makes me appreciate what i hear in all forms of music even if i dont really make it my priority to listen to it......

but i see your point now....you dont care to feel like your actin "blacc" so being down with hyphy is not coo....so its your duty to push it away and think nothing but negative thoughts about it....lol....some might call you an undercover racist even....

you have a funny wierd way of thinking and im glad i was raised differently cuz that closed mindedness dont get you no where....
 
Apr 26, 2006
4,496
3
0
38
#58
CcytzO_Loc said:
yeah thats your world....hyphy is only a blacc thing to you cuz you watch youtube n see them showing sideshows in east oakland n shit......but thats just one place.....you see the real world where i live and dwell in its all races who are at the clubs and shows and on the streets in all these cities........and a good amount us latinos included.....we aint racist or separatists up here....theres certain individuals who might be but its hard to not mix all our cultures the way we all live amongst each other.....thats what america is supposed to be about right????

dont mean i aint involved in my own culture and roots.....im half cuban and half mexican....i been around all kinds a music growing up.....corridos, rancheros, cumbia, salsa, merengue all that latin shit along with pop r&b and hip hop......i even like some of the reggaeton beats...i grew up in a musical family....my dad is from cuba he plays congas and bongos n other percussion and i played the sax in school band when i was a kid and i was the best in my class at it.....always was 1st chair in the sax section.....all that combined makes me appreciate what i hear in all forms of music even if i dont really make it my priority to listen to it......

but i see your point now....you dont care to feel like your actin "blacc" so being down with hyphy is not coo....so its your duty to push it away and think nothing but negative thoughts about it....lol....some might call you an undercover racist even....

you have a funny wierd way of thinking and im glad i was raised differently cuz that closed mindedness dont get you no where....
You just don't get the point I'm trying to make. Like I said, I was cool with Old Bay shit, I could relate with what they were saying and the music itself was great, it had nothing to do with them being black, brown, yellow, white, the music itself was just good. But Rap has changed so much to the point that I feel it's only a black thing now. The slang they say now, the way they dance now,etc... it's a black thing. It ain't a Mexican or White thing,...it's their shit. It's gotten to the point where I just can't relate to it at all because everything they do is so exaggerated. There must be a reason why most Chicano Rappers still stick to oldschool vibes. It's like Blacks trying to do some corridos, they just can't relate to it. Nothing against blacks, but the shit their doing now is str8 up weak. Their better than that because I've seen what their capable of about ten years ago.

I'm far from a racist dude, I have some black friends and I tell them the same str8 up. I tell them, rap these days is just too black for me. And that's the truth. I even tell some black fool at work and he agrees that the new shit is weak. Of course it's all said in a laughing tone, not in anger like you think I'm doing.

I guess you might think I'm too prideful. Maybe I am, but alls I'm doing is sticking with roots. Blacks stick with theirs, why can't I stick with mine. Just because their shit is "hot" right now doesn't mean I'm going to jump on the bandwagon with them and start acting just like them. Nah that's their shit, they can enjoy it. I'll stick to oldschool, something I can more relate to.

Another thing is your in N. Cali, so I assume blacks and Mexicans mingle more. Down here, were a bit more separated. Well atleast the real Mexicanos (like me) choose to stick with more Mexicanos because we have similiar ways of thinking and similiar ways growing up culturally. I guess it's a nice thing that you guys mingle more up there, but I personally think you need a balance or else you'll lose sense of your own culture.
 
May 6, 2002
2,969
1,111
113
42
nonstop.bandcamp.com
#59
BOOBOO619 said:
This is the best I could find.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Xjlrlrzza0o

He sounds like any other Dirty South Rapper though. Raspy voice, slow flow.

This is the Bay I know:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=MSnJQS-rKJU
http://youtube.com/watch?v=iP_qiQtb_jQ


Now that shit sounds smooth and smooth flows.


Just check this shit out below, it DESTROYS anything your talking about and it's only freestyles. Back then the vibe was sicker, just admit it. That was some REAL shit back then. None of this candy shit.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=mULKU6sohsA

How the fuck can one have a session like that to a hyphy beat and flow at the same time.


What I don't understand either is how someone can like X-Raided, yet still like Hyphy. What a major downgrade.

bro, music is music... its there for WHOEVER wants to enjoy it... he may just be more eclectic then you feel is right and is listenin to what HE likes... music is about opinions and peoples expressions... regardless of what you may think, you cant tell him he's cant like x raided and hyphy music...


older bay music is obviously what you like... ok, your not gonna make him not like hyphy cause you dont...


go get some shirly temples, get one gold front, slap on a gold herring bone and bump some mob music circa 92. i wont tell you its wrong, its just your personal preference. somethin that makes you feel good...

now if someone wanna make a shit face, jump around wear loud colors and get hyphy, again, i wont tell them its wrong, its just somethin that makes them feel good...

key words are "somethin that makes YOU feel good" fuck what anyone else thinks...
 
May 6, 2002
2,969
1,111
113
42
nonstop.bandcamp.com
#60
BOOBOO619 said:
You just don't get the point I'm trying to make. Like I said, I was cool with Old Bay shit, I could relate with what they were saying and the music itself was great, it had nothing to do with them being black, brown, yellow, white, the music itself was just good. But Rap has changed so much to the point that I feel it's only a black thing now. The slang they say now, the way they dance now,etc... it's a black thing. It ain't a Mexican or White thing,...it's their shit. It's gotten to the point where I just can't relate to it at all because everything they do is so exaggerated. There must be a reason why most Chicano Rappers still stick to oldschool vibes. It's like Blacks trying to do some corridos, they just can't relate to it. Nothing against blacks, but the shit their doing now is str8 up weak. Their better than that because I've seen what their capable of about ten years ago.

I'm far from a racist dude, I have some black friends and I tell them the same str8 up. I tell them, rap these days is just too black for me. And that's the truth. I even tell some black fool at work and he agrees that the new shit is weak. Of course it's all said in a laughing tone, not in anger like you think I'm doing.

I guess you might think I'm too prideful. Maybe I am, but alls I'm doing is sticking with roots. Blacks stick with theirs, why can't I stick with mine. Just because their shit is "hot" right now doesn't mean I'm going to jump on the bandwagon with them and start acting just like them. Nah that's their shit, they can enjoy it. I'll stick to oldschool, something I can more relate to.

Another thing is your in N. Cali, so I assume blacks and Mexicans mingle more. Down here, were a bit more separated. Well atleast the real Mexicanos (like me) choose to stick with more Mexicanos because we have similiar ways of thinking and similiar ways growing up culturally. I guess it's a nice thing that you guys mingle more up there, but I personally think you need a balance or else you'll lose sense of your own culture.
you sound like a closet racist HOMEBOY... open your mind.. BAY rap is more diverse then ever.. so i dont see where your sayin its a BLACK thing now... just cause we aint wearin dickies and cortez you cant relate???


why are all the whiteboys/Filipinos/asains etc in the bay are fans of it (emulate it and live it) cause its only a black thing right???


well im sorry to say, homie.... RAP HAS ALWAYS BEEN A BLACK THING... PERIOD... essays JUST now started to get national attention from an art WE created... but ONLY latinos fuck wit latino music... EVERYBODY fucks wit blac music...


look at it as a whole... prolly about 98 percent of rappers that are successful are black, the other 2 percent consist of pit bull eminem terror squad.. and a few more...


white boys are usually producers, and latinos are very RARELY accepted musically by anyone other then latinos...

but if everything niggas is doin is weak, then i guess we can say the same about shit like, neighborhood music, lean like a cholo, summer nights or what ever... shit i can keep goin.. i dont think if ever heard a latino on the radio and said to my self, "ooooooh, thats a bump"