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Jul 7, 2002
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Droopy Eye said:
The biggest problem with classifying people like that is that it doesn't make any sense. The old one-line political spectrum is obsolete and stupid, and mischaractarizes politics terribly. This is a much better spectrum, because it seperates authoritarianism and libertarianism from the two main ideologies:




Socialism, for example, would be more liberal, whereas communism would be left-authoritarian.

thats so true, some people in here think that being muslim means you a conservative.....LOL.
 
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Villain said:
Pearl Jam sucks in my opinion...but I do like Breaking Benjamin, Disturbed, Lifer and Three Days Grace, to name a few...
Man I heard that Breaking Benjamin song (So Cold) a week or two ago on the radio and went home and downloaded it, I'm really feelin' that track. Have you heard their entire album? Is it as good as this song?
 

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Apr 25, 2002
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nefar559 said:
thats so true, some people in here think that being muslim means you a conservative.....LOL.
They are.

You must not know much about Islam. I suggest reading the Koran and some Sunnah, and you will see what goes down.
 
May 27, 2002
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Yeah. Muslims are one of the most conservative groups I've ever heard of. They have a very strict regimen of times of prayer, eating habits, etc. thats been esconded in their community for thousands of years. Id say thats very conservative.
 
May 27, 2002
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I'd say most muslims are more conservative than Christians. I think sometimes Christians are too pacifist to be considered conservatives....i see it like this

kerry/clinton/edwards/kennedy...........franken..........moderate ground.....christians.....reagan conservatives......muslims.
 

tadou

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Apr 25, 2002
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WHITE DEVIL said:
Very strict Islam = no pictures on wall, no showing of woman's face, believing all Jews are pigs, etc.
Dont be a fucking bigot. You know that is a lie. TRUE (strict or otherwise) Muslims believe that all Christians and Jews are brothers, and should be protected.

And its not no pictures on the wall; but people should not be idolized; And not "no showing of the face", but it is highly encouraged that a woman not go flaunting her sexuality out in the open.
 

tadou

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YunG VenoM said:
OMG you guys better stop talking about muslim in a good light, some right winger might pop out and call you anti-american
The great majority of Muslims voted for Bush in the last elections (close to 2 in 3, i belive). And about the same will vote that way this year.

If anybody hates Muslims, its Democrats and Liberals. Look no further than W.D's last post.
 
Apr 26, 2002
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tadou said:
The great majority of Muslims voted for Bush in the last elections (close to 2 in 3, i belive). And about the same will vote that way this year.

If anybody hates Muslims, its Democrats and Liberals. Look no further than W.D's last post.

SURVEY SAYS!!!! BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!
 

tadou

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Ok Ok....so I was wrong, it wasn't 2/3.......It was closer to 85%.

http://www.meforum.org/article/13/

How Muslims Voted in 2000

In all, how did Muslims vote? In July 2000, CAIR released a survey of 755 individuals taken the previous month. The utility of the poll is questionable, as it resulted from forms "faxed and e-mailed to individuals and organizations within CAIR's nationwide network" (suggesting a strong Islamist bias). Anyway, it found that although 90 percent indicated an intention to vote, 25 percent of Muslims "have not decided who to vote for or are not satisfied with any of the candidates." Of those who did support a candidate, Gore was ahead of Bush by 33 percent to 28 percent (followed by Pat Buchanan at 7 percent and Ralph Nader at 5 percent).43

CAIR's surveys purportedly show that Muslim voting intentions underwent a sea-change within a few months of November 7. A CAIR poll of 1,022 individuals, released in mid-October, found that 40 percent of eligible Muslim voters now planned to back Bush, and just 24 percent for Gore; Nader had quadrupled his ratings to 20 percent. Only 8 percent registered as undecided.44

In a straw poll conducted during a Muslim leadership meeting in Chicago on October 17, 2000, an audience of 200 persons (again, strongly biased toward Islamists) responded with 69 percent for Bush, 12 percent for Gore and 16 percent for a third or fourth party candidate.45 Between October 27 and November 2, IslamOnline.net held an online poll of 446 presumably Islamist respondents and found Bush with 54 percent, Gore with 9 percent, and Nader with 34 percent.46

The alleged final numbers, according to a CAIR poll released after the election, were 72 percent for Bush, 8 percent for Gore and 19 percent for Nader.47 Nationally, in a "post-election telephone poll," the AMA found that "more than 80 percent" went for Bush, 9 percent for Gore, and 10 percent for Nader.48 If Ralph Nader had not run on the Green Party line, the figures for Bush would have reflected Muslim and immigrant dissatisfaction with Gore to an even greater extent. (This is not because Greenism is popular with Muslims but that they were attracted to Nader's Lebanese background and his outspoken views on the Middle East.)

To the extent that these surveys conducted by Islamist organizations have validity, they indicate a hemorrhaging of votes from the other candidates to Bush in the final months. Grover Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform and the GOP's pointman for attracting Muslims, argues that "Bush's talk about outreach and inclusion had extraordinary results—the Muslim community went 2-1 for Bill Clinton [in 1996] and almost 8-1 for Bush."49

It should be emphasized that these are hardly impartial or authoritative numbers but the results of unscientific and dubious self-administered surveys. Accordingly, there is no way of knowing whether they accurately represent Muslim-in-the-street opinion or just mirror what Islamic activists think. An important insight can be gained, however, by looking closely at the Muslim vote in the key battleground state of Michigan.
 
Dec 25, 2003
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tadou said:
Dont be a fucking bigot. You know that is a lie. TRUE (strict or otherwise) Muslims believe that all Christians and Jews are brothers, and should be protected.
Straight out of the Qu'Ran. Mohammed himself believed Jews were the scum of the earth.
 
Dec 25, 2003
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#59
Using the Shakir translation

SHAKIR: Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

SHAKIR: And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

SHAKIR: And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors.

SHAKIR: When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

SHAKIR: This is because they acted adversely to Allah and His Messenger; and whoever acts adversely to Allah and His Messenger-- then surely Allah is severe in requiting (evil).

SHAKIR: This-- taste it, and (know) that for the unbelievers is the chastisement of fire.

From a different site:
Don't bother to warn the disbelievers. Allah has blinded them. Theirs will be an awful doom. 6

Allah has sickened their hearts. A painful doom is theirs because they lie. 10

Allah has blinded the disbelievers. 17-18

A fire has been prepared for the disbelievers, whose fuel is men and stones. 24

Disbelievers will be burned with fire. 39, 90

Allah stamped wretchedness upon the Jews because they killed the prophets and disbelieved Allah's revelations. 61

Allah turned Sabbath breakers into apes. 65-66

Allah has cursed them for their unbelief. 88

The curse of Allah is on disbelievers. 89

Jews are the greediest of all humankind. 96

Allah is an enemy to the disbelievers. 98

Only evil people are disbelievers. 99

For disbelievers is a painful doom. 104

For unbelievers: ignominy in this world, an awful doom in the next. 114

Allah will leave the disbelievers alone for a while, but then he will compel them to the doom of Fire. 126

Those who reject the proofs, are accursed of Allah. 159

Those who die disbelievers, are cursed by Allah, angels, and men. 161

The doom of the disbelievers will not be lightened. 162

Allah is severe punishment! 165

They will not emerge from the Fire. 167

Disbelievers will be deaf, dumb, and blind. 171

Those who hide the Scripture will have their bellies eaten with fire. Theirs will be a painful doom. 174

How constant are they in their strife to reach the Fire! 175

Believers must retaliate. Those who transgress will have a painful doom. 178

Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. 191

Fight them until "religion is for Allah." 193

Do unto those who attack you like they did unto you. 194

War is ordained by Allah, and all Muslims must be willing to fight, whether they like it or not. 216

Those who die in their disbelief will burn forever in the Fire. 217

The disbelievers, they are the wrong-doers. 254

Disbelievers worship false gods. The will burn forever in the Fire. 257

Allah does not guide disbelievers. 264

"Give us victory over the disbelieving folk." 286