Should the Chiefs consider trading Larry Johnson?

JLMACN · Feb 23, 2007

9ers fans would really prefer Gore over LJ?

hahahah...

I mean obviously these are all biased opinions...but damn lets be real here.
GORE is good.....but he is not the 2nd best RB in the league. LJ clearly is.

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2-0-NINE · Feb 23, 2007

Frank Gore 312 Carries 5.4 Average 1695 8 TDs
Larry John 416 Carries 4.3 Average 1789 17 TDs

With More Carries, it only makes sense that he had more Yards and TDs

MOREBASS · Feb 23, 2007

ArGenTin3 said:

Who's list is that exactly...? LOL

Heres the official list from NFL.com

1. L. Tomlinson SD 1815
2. L. Johnson KC 1789
3. F. Gore SF 1695
4. T. Barber NYG 1662
5. S. Jackson STL 1528

Like Red Sin already posted, LJ had over 100 more carries than Gore did @ only 100 more yards. Garbage. Mark my words, LJ is going to be the next Eddie George, and you won't even get 3 more productive years out of him, at the pace he's going. He's already going to be 28 by the time next season rolls around, and you can check the stats, most great running backs don't perform at this level very long after 30...especially not one who gets the workload that LJ does.

And if you actually pay attention, you would see that LJ's efficiency has dropped with his increased workload. He carried the ball roughly 80 more times than he did in 2005, only to gain 39 more yards than he did the previous year. He's regressing. And guess what, his stats aren't going to get any better next year either, he's already 28 and I'm sure this season took a beating on his body.

Good luck with this bust ! Overrated ass LJ.

As far as the ' Can't hold a candle to LJ's first season ' bullshit. Lets put that to rest right here.

LJ

336 Carries 1,750 yards @ 5.2 yards per carry 20TDs...and 15 runs of 20 yards or more.

Frank Gore

312 Carries 1,695 yards @ 5.4 yards per carry 8 TDs...and 14 runs of 20 yards or more.

So I don't see where you get off thinking that Gore's first season as a starter ' Can't hold a candle ' to LJ's...stat wise, they were pretty close, besides the TDs...but thats already been discussed.

Gore is 23 years old ( His birthday is 5 days before mine, same year ! ) and has much more time to learn and improve than LJ does...

I'd take Gore over LJ any day of the week. Not just because I'm a Niner fan, but because Gore is a better running back than LJ is. And isn't going to do anything but improve.

FATAL NYGHTMARE · Feb 23, 2007

JLMACN said:

Put it like this.. Niner fans would rather have Gore, Chiefs fans would rather have LJ. Outsiders seem to be split. It's not like there is no arguement for Gore.. Like I said before, the fact he hasn't done it "year in and year out" is the only arguement, nothing else. But they seem to forget LJ has only done it twice himself. So by that standard, LJ can't be considered the 2nd best either.

Like I said..

1. LaDainian Tomlinson
2. Frank Gore
3. Larry Johnson

FATAL NYGHTMARE · Feb 23, 2007

MOREBASS said:

Cuz he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.

MOREBASS said:

Which makes him 5 years younger than LJ, already performing at a higher level. It's funny because people who disagree about Gore being better than LJ have no reasoning besides him scoring more TDs and Gore having only carried the full load for one season. It makes me wonder if these people even watch the games or just look at the stats and then try to compare and make their arguements. Watch the way they both run.. Gore is more elusive, he breaks more tackles, he hits the hole harder.. LJ is a lot bigger than Gore and still can't shrug off defenders as well as Gore.

So be real, and come with a real arguement if you must argue.

JLMACN · Feb 24, 2007

FATAL NYGHTMARE said:

but you are putting it out there like LJ has all this playing time before GORE...
remember Priest Holmes was our #1 RB. So LJ, is really just a 2 year RB, so far. Just like Gore.

I remember LJ ans dick Vermiel having words after a game because LJ wanted out if he couldnt play. he sat the bench for 3 seasons.

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AllCity Cinemas · Feb 24, 2007

ArGenTin3 said:

i know it started a game or so after a big fumble in the red, so i think so, but like fatal said could be casue of the predictable plays, but after michael robinson there short yard gainer didnt get the easy first down and cost us the game and out of playoff contention they started to put gore back in

Supa SAV'D OUTT · Feb 24, 2007

that would be stupid as fuck

JLMACN · Apr 13, 2007

http://video.msn.com/v/us/fv/msnbc/fv.htm??g=5a194cc6-7a8d-43a4-b774-6d42bca28249&f=05&fg=rss

Jason Whitlock on the todays show talking about Don Imus

http://www.cnn.com/video/player/pla.../13/whitlock.sharpton.imus.fallout.affl&wm=10

Jason Whitlock on CNN with Al Sharpton

Imus isn’t the real bad guy

Instead of wasting time on irrelevant shock jock, black leaders need to be fighting a growing gangster culture.
By JASON WHITLOCK - Columnist

Thank you, Don Imus. You’ve given us (black people) an excuse to avoid our real problem.

You’ve given Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson another opportunity to pretend that the old fight, which is now the safe and lucrative fight, is still the most important fight in our push for true economic and social equality.

You’ve given Vivian Stringer and Rutgers the chance to hold a nationally televised recruiting celebration expertly disguised as a news conference to respond to your poor attempt at humor.

Thank you, Don Imus. You extended Black History Month to April, and we can once again wallow in victimhood, protest like it’s 1965 and delude ourselves into believing that fixing your hatred is more necessary than eradicating our self-hatred.

The bigots win again.

While we’re fixated on a bad joke cracked by an irrelevant, bad shock jock, I’m sure at least one of the marvelous young women on the Rutgers basketball team is somewhere snapping her fingers to the beat of 50 Cent’s or Snoop Dogg’s or Young Jeezy’s latest ode glorifying nappy-headed pimps and hos.

I ain’t saying Jesse, Al and Vivian are gold-diggas, but they don’t have the heart to mount a legitimate campaign against the real black-folk killas.

It is us. At this time, we are our own worst enemies. We have allowed our youths to buy into a culture (hip hop) that has been perverted, corrupted and overtaken by prison culture. The music, attitude and behavior expressed in this culture is anti-black, anti-education, demeaning, self-destructive, pro-drug dealing and violent.

Rather than confront this heinous enemy from within, we sit back and wait for someone like Imus to have a slip of the tongue and make the mistake of repeating the things we say about ourselves.

It’s embarrassing. Dave Chappelle was offered $50 million to make racially insensitive jokes about black and white people on TV. He was hailed as a genius. Black comedians routinely crack jokes about white and black people, and we all laugh out loud.

I’m no Don Imus apologist. He and his tiny companion Mike Lupica blasted me after I fell out with ESPN. Imus is a hack.

But, in my view, he didn’t do anything outside the norm for shock jocks and comedians. He also offered an apology. That should’ve been the end of this whole affair. Instead, it’s only the beginning. It’s an opportunity for Stringer, Jackson and Sharpton to step on victim platforms and elevate themselves and their agenda$.

I watched the Rutgers news conference and was ashamed.

Martin Luther King Jr. spoke for eight minutes in 1963 at the March on Washington. At the time, black people could be lynched and denied fundamental rights with little thought. With the comments of a talk-show host most of her players had never heard of before last week serving as her excuse, Vivian Stringer rambled on for 30 minutes about the amazing season her team had.

Somehow, we’re supposed to believe that the comments of a man with virtually no connection to the sports world ruined Rutgers’ wonderful season. Had a broadcaster with credibility and a platform in the sports world uttered the words Imus did, I could understand a level of outrage.

But an hourlong press conference over a man who has already apologized, already been suspended and is already insignificant is just plain intellectually dishonest. This is opportunism. This is a distraction.

In the grand scheme, Don Imus is no threat to us in general and no threat to black women in particular. If his words are so powerful and so destructive and must be rebuked so forcefully, then what should we do about the idiot rappers on BET, MTV and every black-owned radio station in the country who use words much more powerful and much more destructive?

I don’t listen or watch Imus’ show regularly. Has he at any point glorified selling crack cocaine to black women? Has he celebrated black men shooting each other randomly? Has he suggested in any way that it’s cool to be a baby-daddy rather than a husband and a parent? Does he tell his listeners that they’re suckers for pursuing education and that they’re selling out their race if they do?

When Imus does any of that, call me and I’ll get upset. Until then, he is what he is — a washed-up shock jock who is very easy to ignore when you’re not looking to be made a victim.

No. We all know where the real battleground is. We know that the gangsta rappers and their followers in the athletic world have far bigger platforms to negatively define us than some old white man with a bad radio show. There’s no money and lots of danger in that battle, so Jesse and Al are going to sit it out.
To reach Jason Whitlock, call (816) 234-4869 or send e-mail to [email protected]. For previous columns, go to KansasCity.com

Jason be on point.

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Lordbyron · Apr 13, 2007

^^^ I'm late... But... What does that article have to do with Larry Johnson...?

ArGenTin3 · Apr 13, 2007

great article JL, as soon as i seen it in tha paper that day..i had to read it.

im also with Lordbyron on tha "what does that article have to do with Larry Johnson" question...lol

Grim · Apr 14, 2007

they should trade him for a young defensive stud

JLMACN · Apr 16, 2007

Lordbyron said:

sorry ....If you read through this Thread...you will see people call Whitlock a uncle tom and bullshit names like that...

Heres todays writing (somemore knowledge):

COMMENTARY
Imus ‘fight’ is over money, fame
JASON WHITLOCK - The Kansas City Star
When I criticized his and Jesse Jackson’s irresponsible and divisive methods of seeking social justice Friday morning, Al Sharpton dismissed the attack by questioning my credibility to lodge a complaint.

“There are always guys that are not in the ring who want to call the fight,” Sharpton said. “You know that going in the ring; you’re going to have critics … You can’t satisfy people who are not in the ring.”

It’s a clever response. It ignores the obvious.

Jesse and Al don’t want anyone else in the ring. They’ve turned the fight for racial equality into a money and fame pit, a place to wrestle for camera time, “consulting” jobs and handshake deals that would make NCAA investigators blush in astonishment.

If people with a modicum of integrity were allowed in the ring and, more importantly, allowed to choose the opponents and the length of the battle, the money would run dry and Jesse and Al would be forced to look for real work.

Fighting bums is easy. Just look at what Jesse and Al James did to Don Imus, a washed-up, recovering drug addict. They knocked out Imus in a couple of rounds.

But at what cost, and what was the real purpose?

The young women on the Rutgers basketball team are now targets, the recipients of death threats and harassment, according to East Coast media reports.

I have no problem with young people engaging in battle and suffering severe consequences for a righteous cause. We need more of that. The people who really provided the energy for the civil rights movement were in college.

But getting in harm’s way over the ignorant utterances of a shock jock? Getting in harm’s way so a coach could have her moment to tell the world about the troubles she’s known? Getting in harm’s way so Al and Jesse James can flex their muscle by beating up another tomato can?

No way. It was irresponsible, self-indulgent and typical of the kind of domestic terrorism Sharpton and Jackson have come to specialize in.

Again, I am not defending Don Imus. I shed no tears over his comeuppance.

I simply question the motives of the people who pushed the hardest and shouted the loudest for Imus’ demise. Those people are now covering themselves with the fig leaf that they have a genuine interest in stopping the anti-black, women-objectifying language in rap music.

According to Sharpton, he’s been working on this issue for a number of years.

He’s clever. Fortunately, we’re not stupid. We just watched Jesse and Al sink their teeth in Imus’ rear end and not remove them until MSNBC and CBS put knives in Imus.

That tenacity and enthusiasm have been completely missing from their fight to clean up hip hop. Whether we like him or not, Minister Louis Farrakhan is the only leader with a consistent position on that issue. What we get from Jesse and Al are half-hearted public relations ploys, fights that end well before any blood is drawn. It’s a game, a game Jesse and Al have mastered.

You can create the appearance of putting up a fight, and that ensures no one else will enter the ring.

As an example, talk with black race-car drivers about their feelings about NASCAR’s dealings with Jesse Jackson. I have. Their belief is, if you sponsor the right and enough Rainbow Coalition events, you can avoid Jesse ever bringing his circus and negative spotlight to your organization.

You follow me?

The ring Jesse and Al are boxing in is just as corrupt as the one where Mike Tyson sparred.

In a one-year time span, under the guise of fighting for our equality, Jesse and Al contributed to putting Duke lacrosse players and Rutgers basketball players in harm’s way.

For what? Was Don Imus hiding weapons of mass destruction? Were the lacrosse players an international threat to escorts? Or maybe the truth just doesn’t matter to Jesse and Al when it comes to furthering their agenda.

Whatever integrity Jesse and Al say our president lacks, you have to wonder if they don’t have the exact same deficiency.

If there’s a fight to push Jesse and Al out of the ring, you can sign me up. They’re an embarrassment. They disgrace the legacy of Martin Luther King Jr., a great man whose efforts caused division so that we could one day come together.

Jesse and Al cause division for profit, and demand from others the very things they’re unwilling to do — judge people on the content of their character and follow the truth wherever it leads, regardless of color.

Truth is on the side of the righteous. Jesse and Al operate as though they don’t believe in our righteousness. They are far more dangerous than Don Imus.

Whitlock...going hard in the paint on them.

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Lordbyron · Apr 16, 2007

JLMACN said:

Word... I didn't read through the thread (obviously)... He's on point though... I haven't read much of his work but he doesn't seem like an uncle tom to me...

JLMACN · Apr 20, 2007

RB Larry Johnson and the Chiefs have worked on a new contract that would give him a raise, but they don’t have an agreement yet. Johnson has not threatened to hold out if he doesn’t get a new deal and has been participating in the offseason workout program. The Chiefs also might be willing to trade Johnson if the right trade offer came along.

Posted April 20, by Ben Maller
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I just read this on MSN.com

oh oh.

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thascary1 · Apr 20, 2007

JLMACN said:

They have to pay him more for losing yet another o-lineman.

Tony · Apr 20, 2007

Jason Whitlock is an Uncle Tom. He's a sellout! He's prejudiced against his own people. He was fired from ESPN for comments made about another ESPN columnist, Scoop Jackson who by the way is also black. So he's talked about Snoop Dogg, Dave Chappelle, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Scoop Jackson, Larry Johnson. Hmmm... and Jason Whitlock is black himself.

JLMACN · Apr 20, 2007

^^^nah...cause sorry ass 49ers running back went and up'd the market..

I dont blame Larry for trying to get his $$$...i honestly would love to see a Brady Quinn or someone of that calibur...for Larry Johnson...

Lord knows we need a GOOD young QB.

running backs come and go.

either way ..the deal will get done. Becuase Edwards is a big Larry Johnson guy

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LurccH918 · Apr 20, 2007

they should trade him if they could get peyton manning or someone of that caliber but thats not gonna happen so, NO

CHAPO GUZMAN · Apr 20, 2007

dont trade him.. but also dont overuse him.. like this past season.. he had alot of rushes.. Combine with another RB or how bout throwing the ball to T.G.? spread out the playing time. Dont be so 1 dimensional. Switch it up.

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