Should the Chiefs consider trading Larry Johnson?
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Fair enough..
But like I was saying, as of right now, none of the backs you named and none of the backs Solitary named performed as well as Frank Gore. Let me put it this way.. Last season, Frank Gore was the 2nd best back in the league. If you don't agree, check the stats.. If you don't trust the stats, watch replays of games. If that doesn't make you see my point, then I honestly don't know what to say.
And Solitary still has no reasoning behind his statement that Gore is not number 2 in the league. A player can easily be considered better than veterans if he performs at a higher level, and that's what Gore did. Solitary can't prove otherwise, not with stats, not with theory, not with video evidence.
But like I was saying, as of right now, none of the backs you named and none of the backs Solitary named performed as well as Frank Gore. Let me put it this way.. Last season, Frank Gore was the 2nd best back in the league. If you don't agree, check the stats.. If you don't trust the stats, watch replays of games. If that doesn't make you see my point, then I honestly don't know what to say.
And Solitary still has no reasoning behind his statement that Gore is not number 2 in the league. A player can easily be considered better than veterans if he performs at a higher level, and that's what Gore did. Solitary can't prove otherwise, not with stats, not with theory, not with video evidence.
I did say LT, but I assume you didn't mean him. But also, all of the backs I named (minus Rudi) didn't carry the ball as many times. My main point was that they have performed at a high level year in and year out...and for this reason I would put them ahead of Gore.
Now if you want to talk about LAST YEAR...was Gore the 2nd best back last year?
If you want to go by stats...LJ...while his average was less...had double the amount of TD's. Some would consider that more valuable.
And if you go by receiving...he had a better average receiving.
Not to mention that LJ's schedule was against much tougher opponents (defenses). Add those up with the fact that he fumbled only 2 times...I can see how someone would say he's better than Gore.
Now if you want to talk about LAST YEAR...was Gore the 2nd best back last year?
If you want to go by stats...LJ...while his average was less...had double the amount of TD's. Some would consider that more valuable.
And if you go by receiving...he had a better average receiving.
Not to mention that LJ's schedule was against much tougher opponents (defenses). Add those up with the fact that he fumbled only 2 times...I can see how someone would say he's better than Gore.
Right.
They also didn't average as many yards per carry.
I attribute that to the Niners' goal-line play calling. It was horrible and they never stuck to what worked..
You're right, by 2 yards. But his hands aren't as good.
I wouldn't say much tougher.. But who's to say Gore wouldn't have carved up the same opponents? He did it to Denver and Oakland, and he was averaging 5.5 YPC against SD. That's everyone in Larry Johnson's conference..
Yeah, if you take away the fact that Gore averaged more than a yard per carry higher and rushed the ball a lot less.
As for others "doing it year in and year out.." LJ has only done it for 2 years. That's not exactly "year in and year out."
So next year, when Gore repeats his success.. then we can consider him near the top?
They also didn't average as many yards per carry.
I attribute that to the Niners' goal-line play calling. It was horrible and they never stuck to what worked..
You're right, by 2 yards. But his hands aren't as good.
I wouldn't say much tougher.. But who's to say Gore wouldn't have carved up the same opponents? He did it to Denver and Oakland, and he was averaging 5.5 YPC against SD. That's everyone in Larry Johnson's conference..
Yeah, if you take away the fact that Gore averaged more than a yard per carry higher and rushed the ball a lot less.
As for others "doing it year in and year out.." LJ has only done it for 2 years. That's not exactly "year in and year out."
So next year, when Gore repeats his success.. then we can consider him near the top?
Point being that if they carried as many times they MAY have upped their average. Gore carried more times and had more opportunities.
Maybe...there are many factors during the game that come in to play. I do recall Gore fumbling a couple of times near the goal-line as well.
Who's hands aren't as good? It's a two yard average...I would say they are just about equal.
I would. Who's to say that if LJ played in your divison he wouldn't have broke the rushing record? LJ plays all those teams twice...who's to say Gore could have done it again? And LJ also played against Baltimore, Pitt, Jax and Miami...all top 10 against the run.
But it's really all speculation and opinion.
I didn't say LJ has been doing it year in and year out...and I never put him above Gore.
I said the others have been doing it year in and year out...I was just using LJ as an example of how someone could put him above Gore.
Yes, if Gore repeats what he did...or comes close...I would put him near the top.
Maybe...there are many factors during the game that come in to play. I do recall Gore fumbling a couple of times near the goal-line as well.
Who's hands aren't as good? It's a two yard average...I would say they are just about equal.
I would. Who's to say that if LJ played in your divison he wouldn't have broke the rushing record? LJ plays all those teams twice...who's to say Gore could have done it again? And LJ also played against Baltimore, Pitt, Jax and Miami...all top 10 against the run.
But it's really all speculation and opinion.
I didn't say LJ has been doing it year in and year out...and I never put him above Gore.
I said the others have been doing it year in and year out...I was just using LJ as an example of how someone could put him above Gore.
Yes, if Gore repeats what he did...or comes close...I would put him near the top.
Doubtful. They all carried the ball well over 200 times.. That's more than enough to get an accurate average. Fred Taylor (I assume you're talking about him and not Chester) had the least amount of carries among the RBs on your list, and he had 230. That's close to 65 more carries than Jones-Drew, who is the only RB who averaged more YPC than Frank Gore..
Nah homie, the goal-line play calling is whack as fuck. Go back and check the Niner game threads and you'll see me complaining about the retarded redzone playcalling. They either ditch the run, or try to run a predictable play that is doomed from the jump. That's why Gore didn't have more TDs. As for the fumbles.. Those were toward the beginning of the year, and that problem was addressed and corrected.
Johnson's hands aren't as good.
Nobody the Niners faced shut Gore down with the exception of Minnesota, who was #1 against the run by a large margin. The problem was the Niners fell behind too quickly in a lot of games and had to ditch the run game in an effort to catch up quicker. Gore was not running on shitty defenses only, he ran on everybody.
If Johnson were in our division, it wouldn't make that much difference. The division is only 6 games, what about the other 10? No matter what division you're in, you can face some tough opponents. It's not like the teams in our division were giving up 200 rushing yards per game.
True.
Yeah I know, I said that because it was Solitary's only excuse for Gore not being better than LJ. You put up a much better and more logical arguement than he does, which is all good with me.
Well then I guess we'll wait until next season and see what happens..
Why not? Like I said, Alexander is overrated. His offensive line is what made him as good as he was last year. This year he averaged about 3 and a half yards per carry. Some of his failure to produce can be blamed on his injury, but not all of it. Even when he was healthy, he didn't do much.
By the way, his name is Shaun, not Sean.
Nah homie, the goal-line play calling is whack as fuck. Go back and check the Niner game threads and you'll see me complaining about the retarded redzone playcalling. They either ditch the run, or try to run a predictable play that is doomed from the jump. That's why Gore didn't have more TDs. As for the fumbles.. Those were toward the beginning of the year, and that problem was addressed and corrected.
Johnson's hands aren't as good.
Nobody the Niners faced shut Gore down with the exception of Minnesota, who was #1 against the run by a large margin. The problem was the Niners fell behind too quickly in a lot of games and had to ditch the run game in an effort to catch up quicker. Gore was not running on shitty defenses only, he ran on everybody.
If Johnson were in our division, it wouldn't make that much difference. The division is only 6 games, what about the other 10? No matter what division you're in, you can face some tough opponents. It's not like the teams in our division were giving up 200 rushing yards per game.
True.
Yeah I know, I said that because it was Solitary's only excuse for Gore not being better than LJ. You put up a much better and more logical arguement than he does, which is all good with me.
Well then I guess we'll wait until next season and see what happens..
Why not? Like I said, Alexander is overrated. His offensive line is what made him as good as he was last year. This year he averaged about 3 and a half yards per carry. Some of his failure to produce can be blamed on his injury, but not all of it. Even when he was healthy, he didn't do much.
By the way, his name is Shaun, not Sean.
Fatal.
Just take a look at LJ's 2005 stats...
Basically his 1st year of bein' tha main RB, he started only 9 games..and still got his 2,000 total yards a game plus his 20+ TD's, he would have easily smashed all tha ALLTIME NFL RB's records if he had started all 16 like your boy Gore did this year.
2006 was basically tha same LJ without tha Oline and no help from anyone else on offense besides Gonzalez...Defenses would double team Gonzalez and put 8 men in tha box to stop tha run did that stop LJ? NO, he still managed to get his! Not even to mention his starting QB went down in tha very first week!
Until Gore does what he did in 06' in 07', you cannot even mention him being tha #2 RB in tha game today, because he isnt. Its just a Homer's view on his team's RB is all it is.
Don't get me wrong Gore is good, but he is not even a top 3 back IMO Top 5 maybe...but in noway is he a top 3.
Just take a look at LJ's 2005 stats...
Basically his 1st year of bein' tha main RB, he started only 9 games..and still got his 2,000 total yards a game plus his 20+ TD's, he would have easily smashed all tha ALLTIME NFL RB's records if he had started all 16 like your boy Gore did this year.
2006 was basically tha same LJ without tha Oline and no help from anyone else on offense besides Gonzalez...Defenses would double team Gonzalez and put 8 men in tha box to stop tha run did that stop LJ? NO, he still managed to get his! Not even to mention his starting QB went down in tha very first week!
Until Gore does what he did in 06' in 07', you cannot even mention him being tha #2 RB in tha game today, because he isnt. Its just a Homer's view on his team's RB is all it is.
Don't get me wrong Gore is good, but he is not even a top 3 back IMO Top 5 maybe...but in noway is he a top 3.
Maybe...maybe not. We're talking about he unknown. For now...I would still put them all ahead of Gore.
I'm not saying that it wasn't...just saying that there are many factors throughout the game that could contribute to him not having that many TD's.
Fumbles (by him or someone else), INT's, bad play calling, 3 and outs, etc.
For whatever reason...LJ had double the amount of TD's. And like I said, some would consider that more valuable.
Says you. It doesn't seem like you are open to the possibility that they are...and I'm not sure what you are basing this on.
We could go back and forth on this...Johnson faced tougher D's last year...bottom line.
It changes year to year.
Main reason I say that is because you play our division next year. If he can get his yardage...then I would be impressed.
I'm not saying that it wasn't...just saying that there are many factors throughout the game that could contribute to him not having that many TD's.
Fumbles (by him or someone else), INT's, bad play calling, 3 and outs, etc.
For whatever reason...LJ had double the amount of TD's. And like I said, some would consider that more valuable.
Says you. It doesn't seem like you are open to the possibility that they are...and I'm not sure what you are basing this on.
We could go back and forth on this...Johnson faced tougher D's last year...bottom line.
It changes year to year.
Main reason I say that is because you play our division next year. If he can get his yardage...then I would be impressed.
whatever ya say chief...Gore's first year cant hold a candle to LJ's first year of bein tha main RB on tha team PERIOD.
2006 was no different...LJ is tha man...stop hatin!
1. Tomlinson
2. L. Johnson
3. Jackson
4. Alexander
5. R. Johnson
No where in that list is Gore...he is a Top 10 back though.
Truthfully I would even put Jones-Drew above Gore...but thats just my opinion.
2006 was no different...LJ is tha man...stop hatin!
1. Tomlinson
2. L. Johnson
3. Jackson
4. Alexander
5. R. Johnson
No where in that list is Gore...he is a Top 10 back though.
Truthfully I would even put Jones-Drew above Gore...but thats just my opinion.
Really? If you knew what you were talking about, you'd realize they are quite similar, but Gore had a slightly higher YPC average. Can't hold a candle my ass.
That's because it's your list. You obviously know nothing, so I will not continue debating with you after this post.
Doesn't surprise me.. Look up above your quote here and you'll see why it doesn't surprise me.
@ gimpy.. That's fair enough. Good debate.
That's because it's your list. You obviously know nothing, so I will not continue debating with you after this post.
Doesn't surprise me.. Look up above your quote here and you'll see why it doesn't surprise me.
@ gimpy.. That's fair enough. Good debate.
LOL
I dont know nothin huh? Just cuz I dont buy into your Homeristic views of your RB tells you I dont know shit???
Get a grip kid!
And that is correct...C A N N O T H O L D A C A N D L E!
How many TD's did ya boy get? And how many did LJ get? THANK YOU!
Gore had a whole size of a football better average per run than LJ...big deal...how many TOUCHDOWNS did he get? Isnt scoring a TD tha most important thing a player can do to help his team win?
Say all ya want....Gore isnt in LJ's class, just like LJ isnt in LT's class.
I actually like Gore alot, but....he is not a top 3 back like you claim he is after just 1 year in tha league.
On my Jones-Drew comment...i still stand by that....If JAX would make him tha #1 back and take his KR/PR duties away, his stats would have been better than Gore's were easily.
I dont know nothin huh? Just cuz I dont buy into your Homeristic views of your RB tells you I dont know shit???
Get a grip kid!
And that is correct...C A N N O T H O L D A C A N D L E!
How many TD's did ya boy get? And how many did LJ get? THANK YOU!
Gore had a whole size of a football better average per run than LJ...big deal...how many TOUCHDOWNS did he get? Isnt scoring a TD tha most important thing a player can do to help his team win?
Say all ya want....Gore isnt in LJ's class, just like LJ isnt in LT's class.
I actually like Gore alot, but....he is not a top 3 back like you claim he is after just 1 year in tha league.
On my Jones-Drew comment...i still stand by that....If JAX would make him tha #1 back and take his KR/PR duties away, his stats would have been better than Gore's were easily.
You are a dumbass nigga. Frank Gore is a better running back than Larry Johnson, PERIOD. Fuck how many TDs he got. A running back's TDs depend on the offensive playcalling unless he breaks long ones, and LJ does not do that often. I hate the Niners but most of my fam are Niner fans so I watch the games and it's plain to see they had terrible playcalling. Frank Gore would get them into the redzone, and they'd abandon what was working. I watch a lot of Chief games too because I'm a raider fan and I like to see what other AFC West teams are doing so I get to see a lot of Gore and a lot of LJ, and Gore is better.
This is a neutral opinion, because I hate both of your teams. Both backs are good, Gore is better though. Fatal's top 3 are accurate.
This is a neutral opinion, because I hate both of your teams. Both backs are good, Gore is better though. Fatal's top 3 are accurate.