SAN FRANCISCO GIANTS ON FIRE!
- Thread starter TONE DOG THE 01
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Mark Prior makes kerry wood look average. dont get me wrong kerry wood is not average but he also isnt a top tier ACE. prior is in my opinion a more polished and experienced jason schmidt.
now weather prior can sustain his brilliance over the long haul is yet to be seen. but he is one of those special pitchers that comes around every 10 years or so. i will try and post up some of those non-winning record numbers he posted up his rookie year along with this years numbers.
now weather prior can sustain his brilliance over the long haul is yet to be seen. but he is one of those special pitchers that comes around every 10 years or so. i will try and post up some of those non-winning record numbers he posted up his rookie year along with this years numbers.
Rk NAME G GS IP H R ER BB SO W L Hld Sv ERA
W4 L1 ERA 1.67
YEAR G GS CG IP H R ER BB SO W L S P/G WHIP BAA ERA
2003 6 6 1 43.0 30 10 8 10 45 4 1 0 106.2 0.93 .196 1.67
Scouting Report
2002 Season
Mark Prior, one of the most heralded college pitchers of all time and the second overall pick in the 2001 draft, made good on his promise last year. He rocketed through the minors in seven weeks and made his major league debut May 22 with a 10-strikeout performance. He would record five more double-digit strikeout games before a hamstring injury ended his season a month early. He had 13 quality starts in 19 outings and deserved a much better record than his final 6-6 mark. He struck out 11.34 batters per nine innings, a mark that would have placed him second in the National League behind Randy Johnson had Prior worked enough innings to qualify.
Pitching
Prior has a mid-90s fastball and a hard curve, but his biggest weapon is his impeccable command. He's able to work the black like a veteran. The only complaint was that he sometimes worked too carefully to major league hitters, running up his pitch counts unnecessarily. He doesn't yet have the stamina to be able to afford to do that, as he gave up nine of his 14 homers after reaching the 90-pitch mark and had a lot of high-pitch outings for a 21-year-old.
Defense & Hitting
Prior already is one of the best-hitting pitchers in the majors. He had three home runs in 19 at-bats before his callup, and batted .171 with four doubles for the Cubs. He hasn't yet learned to bunt well, though. He also must work on paying more attention to baserunners.
2003 Outlook
The sky's the limit for Prior. It seems the only thing that could stop him is an arm injury, a possibility that can't be dismissed out of hand after the high number of pitches he threw last year. At the same time, his hamstring injury might have kept him from being pushed too far, and his arm has been healthy. His first full season in the majors in 2003 ought to be very good.
Scouting Report---jason schmidt
2002 Season
The Giants awarded Jason Schmidt a four-year, $30 million deal before the season, the largest contract they've given a starting pitcher. But they weren't too happy when he missed so much time with groin, shoulder and elbow injuries, at least some of which were not believed to be serious. Schmidt was also sidetracked by his mother's medical concerns. He was not effective upon his return from the DL in late April, getting rocked in his first two starts and leaving his third start early due to shoulder stiffness. But he was solid the remainder of the season, finishing 13-8 with a 3.45 ERA.
Pitching
Schmidt showed glimpses throughout the season that he can be the Giants' ace, including a dominating eight innings in which he struck out a career-high 13 (later matched) at Yankee Stadium on June 8. He relies on a lively fastball that he can dial up to the low to mid-90s, as well as a hard slider that he can use as a strikeout pitch. Schmidt has proven in his short time with the Giants that he is superior at Pacific Bell Park than he is on the road. He had a 2.37 ERA at home last season, compared to 5.02 on the road.
Defense & Hitting
Schmidt has a reputation for a lack of fielding ability, though he has not made an error the past three seasons. His numbers against the running game have declined over the past couple of years, and he does not have a pickoff move to speak of. He has improved as a hitter, with a .125 batting average last season. He's a career .101 hitter. Sacrifice bunting still challenges Schmidthe had just four last season.
2003 Outlook
If Schmidt can stay healthy from the outset, he should be able to approach the 17-18 win plateau that many, including the Giants, believe he can attain. He has fallen short of living up to his potential, mostly because he pitched for bad Pittsburgh teams for most of his career, and partly because of a history of injuries. Finally on a winning team, he's gone 20-9 with the Giants
pay attention to this part of the scouting report
"He has fallen short of living up to his potential"
2002 Season
The Giants awarded Jason Schmidt a four-year, $30 million deal before the season, the largest contract they've given a starting pitcher. But they weren't too happy when he missed so much time with groin, shoulder and elbow injuries, at least some of which were not believed to be serious. Schmidt was also sidetracked by his mother's medical concerns. He was not effective upon his return from the DL in late April, getting rocked in his first two starts and leaving his third start early due to shoulder stiffness. But he was solid the remainder of the season, finishing 13-8 with a 3.45 ERA.
Pitching
Schmidt showed glimpses throughout the season that he can be the Giants' ace, including a dominating eight innings in which he struck out a career-high 13 (later matched) at Yankee Stadium on June 8. He relies on a lively fastball that he can dial up to the low to mid-90s, as well as a hard slider that he can use as a strikeout pitch. Schmidt has proven in his short time with the Giants that he is superior at Pacific Bell Park than he is on the road. He had a 2.37 ERA at home last season, compared to 5.02 on the road.
Defense & Hitting
Schmidt has a reputation for a lack of fielding ability, though he has not made an error the past three seasons. His numbers against the running game have declined over the past couple of years, and he does not have a pickoff move to speak of. He has improved as a hitter, with a .125 batting average last season. He's a career .101 hitter. Sacrifice bunting still challenges Schmidthe had just four last season.
2003 Outlook
If Schmidt can stay healthy from the outset, he should be able to approach the 17-18 win plateau that many, including the Giants, believe he can attain. He has fallen short of living up to his potential, mostly because he pitched for bad Pittsburgh teams for most of his career, and partly because of a history of injuries. Finally on a winning team, he's gone 20-9 with the Giants
pay attention to this part of the scouting report
"He has fallen short of living up to his potential"
My bad dude. I did not mean in the majors, I meant to say those are the best pitchers in the NL. I agree Pedro Martinez is the best pitcher in the pros, I have held that opinion for some time now. Believe me if my list was intended for the top pitchers in all of baseball there would be quite a few more that I would have listed above Schmidt. Clemens, Zito, and Martinez are just a few that come to mind.
Damn, I didn't know all that shit. I can't say I have followed Prior to closely since his call to the majors but from the report you just provided I think you have a good case with him. I was speaking just on numbers because thats all I have to reflect on. A 6-6 record is not really good but a poorly structured offensive team can make good pitchers look bad, ill give you that one. I would still like to see him with atleast one solid season before I say anything further. I still think your claim as to his competition for the Cy Yound is a little pre-mature, but it really does look like he might be the future for the Cubs, right along side of Wood. Good shit, im going to be watching this guy.
Damn, I didn't know all that shit. I can't say I have followed Prior to closely since his call to the majors but from the report you just provided I think you have a good case with him. I was speaking just on numbers because thats all I have to reflect on. A 6-6 record is not really good but a poorly structured offensive team can make good pitchers look bad, ill give you that one. I would still like to see him with atleast one solid season before I say anything further. I still think your claim as to his competition for the Cy Yound is a little pre-mature, but it really does look like he might be the future for the Cubs, right along side of Wood. Good shit, im going to be watching this guy.
i probly am jumping the gun in prior since he is a 22 year old in his 2nd season but if you get a chance to watch him pitch against (maybe the giants) firsthand you will see what i am talking about.
anyhow you are right in that he needs a few more years to prove he is a bonafide superstar pitcher.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/gamelog?statsId=6787
DATE OPP IP H R ER HR BB SO
May1 @SF 6.0 6 1 1 0 3 7
anyhow you are right in that he needs a few more years to prove he is a bonafide superstar pitcher.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/gamelog?statsId=6787
DATE OPP IP H R ER HR BB SO
May1 @SF 6.0 6 1 1 0 3 7
Exactly what do you guys think has changed.. they are 1.5 games behind having the best record in the majors, and thats all while slumping. Dodgers won 8 straight and they are still behind, just goes to show how hard of a task it is going to be to take down the Giants. Shit, its better then I initially thought.
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Without Bonds the Giants are still better then the LGAY DODGERS. Mark my words the Giants will be better then the Dodgers by the end of the season. In all honesty the Giants have not been playing as good as the should be, we have a lot of players not playing up to thier potential lately. Even in their early season winning streak the Giants werent playing to their potential. But even when theyre slumping as a whole their still atop the Dodgers.