Ron Paul’s phony populism

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Huh? No where am i making them mutually exclusive...do you even know what that means?
You're right.

When did I imply that population control and living a life without toys were contradictory ideas as you suggested? Neither is necessary! I never suggested either one of those was a good idea...or that they somehow contradicted each other...you're...losing...me...dude.
 

ThaG

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I never said I wasn't, HOMIE. What I SAID was, I have no RIGHT to advocate for limiting someone's freedom to reproduce or not reproduce and that the foundation for that argument is BASED on FEAR and ASSUMES that the current set of circumstances are PERMANENT and INFINITE.

Neither are human population and consumption based society mutually exclusive like you are attempting to make them.
Your problem is that you don't understand the proper hierarchical relationship between human concepts of "rights" and "freedom" and the laws of nature. Humans can define "rights" and "freedom" in whatever way they want, and hold them as sacred as they want, nature will not give a fuck at all about it and will carry on working according to its laws as ruthlessly as ever.
 
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Your problem is that you don't understand the proper hierarchical relationship between human concepts of "rights" and "freedom" and the laws of nature. Humans can define "rights" and "freedom" in whatever way they want, and hold them as sacred as they want, nature will not give a fuck at all about it and will carry on working according to its laws as ruthlessly as ever.
If nature is so reliable, why worry about over population? Wouldn't it then be a natural occurring phenomenon and therefore regulated by nature?

I would argue that sustainable levels of consumption is man's nature, by and large. We've always clashed for resources, but consumption driven global economy is relatively new. Prior to this, despite conflicts, we lived a quite sustainable lifestyle, respected the scarcity and abundance of resources, and understood how to manage them.

Perhaps all of this consumption is really what is unnatural. I mean, there's nothing natural about your epic expert sterilization panels sitting behind a computer screen with an algorithm that takes flawed human assumptions and quantifies them into who lives and dies lists.
 

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If nature is so reliable, why worry about over population? Wouldn't it then be a natural occurring phenomenon and therefore regulated by nature?

I would argue that sustainable levels of consumption is man's nature, by and large. We've always clashed for resources, but consumption driven global economy is relatively new. Prior to this, despite conflicts, we lived a quite sustainable lifestyle, respected the scarcity and abundance of resources, and understood how to manage them.

Perhaps all of this consumption is really what is unnatural. I mean, there's nothing natural about your epic expert sterilization panels sitting behind a computer screen with an algorithm that takes flawed human assumptions and quantifies them into who lives and dies lists.
You're confusing "nature" as in when we refer to the ecosystems and wildlife of the planet (on which we critically depend for our own survival) with "nature" as in "laws of nature" which refers to the laws of physics that govern everything that happens in our world. The latter can do and have historically done a lot of harm to the former, and are under no obligation to be protective of it (indeed they're not, the universe if a very hostile to life place)
 

Mike Manson

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lol at anyone Chinese or living in China taking shots at America over human rights, holy shit, the reason your living there is for economic opportunity if you were the same age 50 years ago would of you moved to China? fuck no maybe if you were SHANGHAI'D, dont try to get on some humanitarian shit to promote your choice of where to take your human capital, what you fail to realize, u son of a bitch, is that the generational gap in China is so god damm big and the youngins are so.....WESTERNIZED that China's aspirations to be THE world power are gonna dwindle out, I'm not even gonna get to how America built China up out of fuckin nothing, Fuck China
Lol, don't get so emotional. Actually I could do better living in another country. I live here because of choice. Mostly because of the freedom I have here.

But anyway, don't really care if you call me names. You seriously don't know what you are talking about and take this shit too personal. It shows me though, what kind of followers Ron Paul has. I really hope that Ron Paul never gets the chance to fuck up America with his craziness, because I also love the US.
 
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Lol, don't get so emotional. Actually I could do better living in another country. I live here because of choice. Mostly because of the freedom I have here.

But anyway, don't really care if you call me names. You seriously don't know what you are talking about and take this shit too personal. It shows me though, what kind of followers Ron Paul has. I really hope that Ron Paul never gets the chance to fuck up America with his craziness, because I also love the US.
I know exactly what I'm talking about 1/3 of the population is below the age of 30 in China= generational gap, what else did I mention that I was off on? Godzilla attacking Japan? You choose to be affected by my "name calling" I would just let it roll off my shoulders and not let my internet ego get so hurt u fake ass chinaman
 
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You're right.

When did I imply that population control and living a life without toys were contradictory ideas as you suggested? Neither is necessary! I never suggested either one of those was a good idea...or that they somehow contradicted each other...you're...losing...me...dude.
Its not my fault you cant follow the debate, man. Everything i have stated is right there and nothing contradict's anything i have written.
 

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Man's and most other animal's nature is to stockpile resources as much as possible for times when they're not available. Because in the wild, this is the best survival strategy as it is very rare to be in a situation of guaranteed long-term abundance of food. That's why, as the above picture illustrates, we get fat in a setting of industrial civilization with cheap and abundant food - because our physiology is such that we are very good at storing excess calories in the form of fat for lean times and it is very difficult to overcome the desire to continue stockpiling it even though realistically lean times will never come. Also, because situations of such long-term abundance are extremely rare in nature, where intense intra- and interspecies competition for resources is the norm, our physiology is also very bad at dealing with the negative consequences of the kind of extreme obesity we see these days. It was impossible for people to get that fat so there was no selection against developing diabetes, heart disease, etc. as a result of being fat, and people died too young for this to really matter anyway.

Exactly the same effect applies to everything else we do - we desire more and more because our brain is wired towards stockpiling physical resources when they are available for the purpose of using them in times when they're not readily available and for the purpose of impressing potential mating partners. We live in a very different situation now when not only is there no need for that behavior, it is in fact self-destructive (just as overeating leading to obesity and poor health is), however our brains, hormonal control of emotion and physiology are still those of wild animals living in environments in which that kind of behavior was good for us and we can easily overcome our primal urges. and with
 
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Man's and most other animal's nature is to stockpile resources as much as possible for times when they're not available. Because in the wild, this is the best survival strategy as it is very rare to be in a situation of guaranteed long-term abundance of food. That's why, as the above picture illustrates, we get fat in a setting of industrial civilization with cheap and abundant food - because our physiology is such that we are very good at storing excess calories in the form of fat for lean times and it is very difficult to overcome the desire to continue stockpiling it even though realistically lean times will never come. Also, because situations of such long-term abundance are extremely rare in nature, where intense intra- and interspecies competition for resources is the norm, our physiology is also very bad at dealing with the negative consequences of the kind of extreme obesity we see these days. It was impossible for people to get that fat so there was no selection against developing diabetes, heart disease, etc. as a result of being fat, and people died too young for this to really matter anyway.

Exactly the same effect applies to everything else we do - we desire more and more because our brain is wired towards stockpiling physical resources when they are available for the purpose of using them in times when they're not readily available and for the purpose of impressing potential mating partners. We live in a very different situation now when not only is there no need for that behavior, it is in fact self-destructive (just as overeating leading to obesity and poor health is), however our brains, hormonal control of emotion and physiology are still those of wild animals living in environments in which that kind of behavior was good for us and we can easily overcome our primal urges. and with
Just because society is built on the plundering of resources doesn't make it man's nature. Man's nature is hunter gatherer. Autonomous indegenous tribes have not been found with stockpiles of resources, quite the contrary.

It is actually the nature of government to hoard resources.
 

ThaG

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Just because society is built on the plundering of resources doesn't make it man's nature. Man's nature is hunter gatherer. Autonomous indegenous tribes have not been found with stockpiles of resources, quite the contrary.

It is actually the nature of government to hoard resources.
How is the incohenrent gibberish above supposed to be a response to my post?