Ron Paul’s phony populism
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Again, burning the furnitute. If people are starving on the streets and you propose something that will alleviate their pain in the short term (and it's not going to do that at all, but that's a different discussion) but will cause everyone to starve to death, or die in a nuclear apocalypse, and cause most species on the planet to go extinct, then it is much much better off to keep having people starving on the streets now. Which is entirely preventalbe, BTW, but with policies much different than Ron Paul's (plus huge changes in people's behavioral patterns which is not going to happen)
You didn't answer my question at all. I didn't mean what are you doing personally to reduce consumption, I meant when you are on here lobbying for support of your position that we cannot sustain the level of consumption our society operates at - why are you doing it?
Are you doing so because you think your life will personally be better if we as a society consume less?
I misunderstood your question.
The reason I am talking about these things is a little difficult to explain. I can give two explanations but they are not 100% satisfactory.
The rational one is that the reason we bother living at all is because we are programmed by evolution to propagate our genes in the next generation and if the human species goes extinct as a whole, we all fail to do so. So everyone who understands how the human species could go extinct due to civilzation hitting the limits to growth should have a very strong incetnive to try and do everything they could to prevent it. I certainly fully subscribe to the above. The problem is that human beings are not that rational and the urge to propagate is not coscious at all so I am not certain that calculation actually happens or has happened in my head - I personally have been worrying overpopulation since I was 8, but I wasn't realizing that we will probably go extinct as a result of our unsustainability until much later.
The more irrational explanation is unsatisfied curiosity - I do science professionally in real life and there is a lot to learn about the world around us that we will never get around to figuring out because the complex infrastructure required to support modern science will have crumbled. And that's a very sad and depressing thought to me. It's even worse than that in my case because the field I am in is entirely dependent on a lot of computing power for its existence and when the lights go off everything will just vanish completely while mathematicians who have everything printed on paper may at least preserve that. That very much affects my quality of life because I don't measure it in material possessions, but in intellectual satisfaction.
Now, why am I doing it on the Siccness - well, I did not register here to argue about these things, what brought me here was hip-hop and I never left after that even if I disappear for months sometimes. But I post on many other sites too because as I said above, what I do requires me sitting in front of computer and often waiting for 5-10 minutes for things to compute so that I can continue forward, time I have no other way to really fill in.
The reason I am talking about these things is a little difficult to explain. I can give two explanations but they are not 100% satisfactory.
The rational one is that the reason we bother living at all is because we are programmed by evolution to propagate our genes in the next generation and if the human species goes extinct as a whole, we all fail to do so. So everyone who understands how the human species could go extinct due to civilzation hitting the limits to growth should have a very strong incetnive to try and do everything they could to prevent it. I certainly fully subscribe to the above. The problem is that human beings are not that rational and the urge to propagate is not coscious at all so I am not certain that calculation actually happens or has happened in my head - I personally have been worrying overpopulation since I was 8, but I wasn't realizing that we will probably go extinct as a result of our unsustainability until much later.
The more irrational explanation is unsatisfied curiosity - I do science professionally in real life and there is a lot to learn about the world around us that we will never get around to figuring out because the complex infrastructure required to support modern science will have crumbled. And that's a very sad and depressing thought to me. It's even worse than that in my case because the field I am in is entirely dependent on a lot of computing power for its existence and when the lights go off everything will just vanish completely while mathematicians who have everything printed on paper may at least preserve that. That very much affects my quality of life because I don't measure it in material possessions, but in intellectual satisfaction.
Now, why am I doing it on the Siccness - well, I did not register here to argue about these things, what brought me here was hip-hop and I never left after that even if I disappear for months sometimes. But I post on many other sites too because as I said above, what I do requires me sitting in front of computer and often waiting for 5-10 minutes for things to compute so that I can continue forward, time I have no other way to really fill in.
Fair enuff I just hate Maddow, yes the quotes are real, RP's publication consisted of a number of writers, so RP is a shitty editor big deal this is amazingly similar to the whole Jeremiah Wright bullshit and the story is coming out at just about the same time. Ron Paul is an educated man, veteran of the air force, former doctor, same wife all these years, the mud doesn't stick for me but that shouldn't surprise you
