Religion Is The Source Of Evil?!
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man if religion was the root of all evil, then how do you explain the countless criminals that have dramitically changed and have been saved simply because they read the bible. the ones we see and think of as evil people. if you want to blame the stupidity of others on religion than i suggest you look at evolution as well. look at what hitler did. hitler was a firm believer in evolution. he indirectly killed millions of people and still made the claim that he was helping out humanity by getting rid of the lower class humans. he truly believed he was doing us a favor. why then dont we question evolution?
lol...its funny, i knew someone would use it against me and still i wrote it.
but let me elaborate. if convincing myself that god exist through my own expiriences, observation,aquired knowledge, both thru my own wit or thru the wit of others, and thru the bible is crazy. then all that have come before me in my beliefs are also crazy. but again you challange my beliefs and try to sway them with false "truths", interesting theories, eloborate speaches and thru false logic. that the people of higher power and knowledge than you have put up and glorified for the sole purpose of controlling you for their own greed and lust. that my friend is what i would trully call crazy.
but let me elaborate. if convincing myself that god exist through my own expiriences, observation,aquired knowledge, both thru my own wit or thru the wit of others, and thru the bible is crazy. then all that have come before me in my beliefs are also crazy. but again you challange my beliefs and try to sway them with false "truths", interesting theories, eloborate speaches and thru false logic. that the people of higher power and knowledge than you have put up and glorified for the sole purpose of controlling you for their own greed and lust. that my friend is what i would trully call crazy.
you must always realize that the way you see the world is relative to your expirieneces,current beliefs and your five sensus. i was reading a book that said in order to form a judgements or opinion one must first look at something from where they stand, then one must look at it from a second or another point of view. and finally form a third point from the firtst two points.
Was Hitler a Christian or wasn't he? Evidence suggests that he was an athiest, and yet much of what he said was in support of christianity. He may have been doing a 1930's version of George W. Bush (claiming to be religious in order to get religious people to support his atrocious policies), but how and why did it work? With the support of Christians...
In a 1933 speech, Hitler declared that; "we were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the athiestic movement; and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out". In 1941 he told General Gerhard Engel that 'I shall remain a Catholic forever'. In Mein Kampf, Hitler wrote "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the almighty creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord". Of course, many of the words he spoke were also anti-christian, such as "the reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity".
Whether he was a true Christian or not is irrelevant. The fact is that he exploited the religosity of his people and because of this, garnered support from both German Christians and the church (Pope Pius XII refused to take a stand against the Nazis because of Hitlers supposed Christian beliefs). Without such support, he would not have been able to perform such atrocities (hence the comparison with George W. Bush). This argument will be familiar to those of you who have read pages 272-278 of The God Delusion.
In a 1933 speech, Hitler declared that; "we were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the athiestic movement; and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out". In 1941 he told General Gerhard Engel that 'I shall remain a Catholic forever'. In Mein Kampf, Hitler wrote "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the almighty creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord". Of course, many of the words he spoke were also anti-christian, such as "the reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity".
Whether he was a true Christian or not is irrelevant. The fact is that he exploited the religosity of his people and because of this, garnered support from both German Christians and the church (Pope Pius XII refused to take a stand against the Nazis because of Hitlers supposed Christian beliefs). Without such support, he would not have been able to perform such atrocities (hence the comparison with George W. Bush). This argument will be familiar to those of you who have read pages 272-278 of The God Delusion.
It is what it is. No matter what you believe, you convince yourself of something.
And yeah, if the Bible is BS and there is no God, everyone was/is fucking nuts. I think most of the theists are fucking nuts anyway.
False logic, that's something that should be synonymous with the BIBLE! lol...
I also think that everyone is crazy in their own way, they're just good at hiding it. I choose not to cause I don't give a fuck what people think...they don't know shit.
I'm not saying there is, or is not a God. I don't know. I don't think there is a God the way most Christians in this country view it, as God being a persona of some old white guy with a beard in some clouds....
I do however believe in energy (because it is real) and it never dies. That's the only thing that ties every living creature together. I think if there is a God, people have the wrong fucking idea, otherwise this planet wouldn't be so fucked up. People are retarded.
And yeah, if the Bible is BS and there is no God, everyone was/is fucking nuts. I think most of the theists are fucking nuts anyway.
False logic, that's something that should be synonymous with the BIBLE! lol...
I also think that everyone is crazy in their own way, they're just good at hiding it. I choose not to cause I don't give a fuck what people think...they don't know shit.
I'm not saying there is, or is not a God. I don't know. I don't think there is a God the way most Christians in this country view it, as God being a persona of some old white guy with a beard in some clouds....
I do however believe in energy (because it is real) and it never dies. That's the only thing that ties every living creature together. I think if there is a God, people have the wrong fucking idea, otherwise this planet wouldn't be so fucked up. People are retarded.
Wrong. He was able to do what he wanted because of occultists and influence from the pagan catholic church. Christianity (and christians) did not support Hitler.
You just lost your entire argument.
If his religious affiliation/beliefs are not relevant, why do you ask, "Was Hitler a Christian or wasn't he?"
Now, my question to YOU is very simple. Were these people real christians?
You just lost your entire argument.
If his religious affiliation/beliefs are not relevant, why do you ask, "Was Hitler a Christian or wasn't he?"
Now, my question to YOU is very simple. Were these people real christians?
Really? Tens of millions of German Christians adored Hitler. Hitler and the Nazis promoted Christian nationalism, religious anti-semitism and a return to traditional values which the Christians appreciated. Even if he was talking shit, he kissed Christianities arse enough to garner their support (in the least, prevent them from fighting against him). After all, even if Hitler were not Christian, an appeal to a divine mandate (such that Hitler made constantly) would without doubt win more thiests than athiests to the cause. As I quoted before "by defending myself against the jew, I am fighting for the work of the lord". Many christians lapped up that argument like a thirsty kitten.
What argument would that be? I asked whether Hitler was a Christian and then provided evidence for both potential answers. I was aluding to the fact that he most likely was not a Christian but that he used them as pawns to do his bidding. After all, the majority of them are very gullible, would you not agree?
They are relevant, that's the whole point. Do you have to be Christian to hold any religious affiliations and/or beliefs? No. His chummy relationship with Pope Pius II was most certainly a religious affiliation and as long as Hitler appeared to spread the word of God, Pius was happy to let him rule his own house.
Maybe they were, maybe they were not. Again, it doesn't matter whether they are 'real' christians or not. Christianity is a powerful weapon and those who yield it have a significant advantage over those who do not. In this case, Hitler and the Nazis used religious arguments to garner christian support, providing them with an excuse to perform such atrocities, particularly against the Jews. As such christianity must share some of the blame for their actions.
What argument would that be? I asked whether Hitler was a Christian and then provided evidence for both potential answers. I was aluding to the fact that he most likely was not a Christian but that he used them as pawns to do his bidding. After all, the majority of them are very gullible, would you not agree?
They are relevant, that's the whole point. Do you have to be Christian to hold any religious affiliations and/or beliefs? No. His chummy relationship with Pope Pius II was most certainly a religious affiliation and as long as Hitler appeared to spread the word of God, Pius was happy to let him rule his own house.
Maybe they were, maybe they were not. Again, it doesn't matter whether they are 'real' christians or not. Christianity is a powerful weapon and those who yield it have a significant advantage over those who do not. In this case, Hitler and the Nazis used religious arguments to garner christian support, providing them with an excuse to perform such atrocities, particularly against the Jews. As such christianity must share some of the blame for their actions.
exactly, i believe reality is mostly self made.
i have seriously thought of endless scenerios of people havin to accomplish obstacles to find truth that in which their chance of survival of finding that one way is like below 10%.
a person like me could have only discluded islam if i discluded religion as a whole, it was the immorality factor .
the same chance of having stockton convert to my views he has of me to his.
all of what we believe is reality is constantly being supported and ONLY being proven by our subconscious, through thoughts, understandings, views, but never denied, or shown the way to denial.
only once you open your subconscious to a certain perspective, or say exposing a certain religion will only be achieved once you allow your subconscious to open to it.
shit, even when i quit islam i hadnt much a clue to why, i just knew it felt wrong, then a month later all these new perspective enter my mind, which is happening to all of us.
we all see everything differently , and the same way my view was made to hate pork, if i were to eat pork id feel nauseous.
i dunno, this is the same shit i always speak of and nobody understands. Again, im sayin the only way to understand is to give it a try and believe what im saying and see your subconscious allowing you to see a new perspective that will be completely understood, even moreso than your old one.(to me by alot)
just as my dad almost found out bout me n went crazy as he suspected it n then was relieved to think i was still a muslim will show how this man will live arrogantly, just as most of us have been doing.
To him christianity has already been exposed , and his religion is the way. And he has proof of it.
none of us want to fail, and if the right path and all that is what proven to us at birth, we would all choose success. its within us humans.
stockton is a christian to get heaven not hell, my dad has the same exact intention but a completely different experience in life, time, and location.
im not gonna babble on like i been doin, or repeat this anymore cuz im waistin my time, but just make sure you always have this in consideration or as another belief system that exists.
take care all
edit:your current beliefs will mandate what meaning you give to your next view and what it will become - a loop
also, i do and will always believe in God.
Intelligent design is enough proof to me.
there should have been no order nor intelligent design whatsoever.
according to us, we are the only intelligent beings with order and can make order of things.
if it wasnt us, its another intelligence, but of course athiests will understand it as natural selection, and cannot measure life through living rather than science, which is just another degree of viewing things.
our consciousnesses are electricity and thats easily scientifically explained. but yet, we are souls/special.
you see its in whatever degree you look in, because YOU are the one giving it meaning.
so again i dont expect myself to convince any of you because of what i explained in my post. but just dont exclude this view
