real id act 2008?

[I AM]

they aint going to put chips in anyone that idea was killed. and about the new id i dont give a fuck i got nothing to hide

chips in the ID, not people.

that chips in people was RFID i think.....although that's probably what they'll put in the ID's cause they're so fucking microscopic (thanks to MIT, and a lot of funding from Gillette--the razor company).

 

[I AM]

Damn, I wuz just about to make a thread about this. Fuck a new i.d. And wuts this about u needin' the shit to get on a plane?

I read that you would have to have the ID to even get into a fucking grocery store. But who knows. I haven't seen shit about it on the news yet.

 

[Nate Rasta]

ya its gonna be like a new diver license where you cant drive wit out it.

 

[I AM]

http://www.michigan.gov/sos/0,1607,7-127-1627_45431-130358--,00.html

this is for Michigan though....or parts of it.

The Real ID Act

Image of hand holding ID Card

Background

On May 11, 2005, President Bush signed the Real ID Act into law. The Real ID Act mandates that three years after enactment (May 2008), a state driver's license or ID card cannot be used for any federal purpose unless it meets the specific federal requirements. For example, non-compliant driver's licenses or state issued ID cards cannot be used for identification to board federally regulated commercial aircraft, enter nuclear power plants, or to access any federal facility. In anticipation of the 2008 compliance deadline, it is our hope to begin issuing a compliant license sometime in 2007.

Before issuing a Real ID driver's license or ID card, applicants must supply the following and the authenticity of each document must be verified with the issuing agency.

The federal provisions require:

* Proof of identity. A photo identity document. (A non-photo identity document may be acceptable if it includes both the person’s full legal name and date of birth.) Applicants will also have to provide documentation showing their date of birth.
* Social Security number. Proof of the person's social security account number or verification that the person is not eligible for a social security account number.
* Proof of Michigan residency. Documentation showing the person’s name and address of principal residence.
* Legal presence. Documentation establishing citizenship or legal status. (For most Michigan residents, this will be a birth certificate.)

KEY POINTS:

* We support overall concept of ensuring homeland security and making it tougher for terrorists.
* There are still many unknowns. When the Department of Homeland Security publishes rules and regulations, more detailed information will be provided regarding specific requirements and implementation timelines.
* What we know so far:
o Michigan law changes will be necessary.
o Verification of SSNs and possibly source identification documents will be required.
o No foreign documents other than passports will be accepted.
o Proof of lawful presence will be required for all applicants.

 

[SRD420]

i can protect my kids

and you shouldnt be runnin free if you killed me, but you shouldnt get a chip injected in you that shows where your at at all times, if you do get out, thats no ones business.

Whatever, I'm not gonna go back and forth and argue w/ your ignorant ass. You think when your kid turns 15 and is out partying/drinking w/ all her so-called friends you're gonna be able to protect her? I doubt that.

You're acting as if repeat rapers/molesters shouldn't be watched carefully... they should, they're sick in they fuckin' heads if they can do something like that repeatedly. If it were up to me, they wouldn't even be walkin' the streets, living in my neighborhood, living a life like anyone else cuz they're not just like anyone else... they're sick and need to be monitored.

But anyway... I feel like I'm talking to a little shit kid when I reply back to you because of your ignorance so I'm done now.

 

[I AM]

http://www.ncsl.org/standcomm/sctran/REAL_ID_Act_of_2005.htm

The Real ID Act of 2005 (contained in P.L. 109-13)

TITLE II--IMPROVED SECURITY FOR DRIVERS' LICENSES AND PERSONAL IDENTIFICATION CARDS

SEC. 201. DEFINITIONS.

In this title, the following definitions apply:

(1) DRIVER'S LICENSE- The term `driver's license' means a motor vehicle operator's license, as defined in section 30301 of title 49, United States Code.

(2) IDENTIFICATION CARD- The term `identification card' means a personal identification card, as defined in section 1028(d) of title 18, United States Code, issued by a State.

(3) OFFICIAL PURPOSE- The term `official purpose' includes but is not limited to accessing Federal facilities, boarding federally regulated commercial aircraft, entering nuclear power plants, and any other purposes that the Secretary shall determine.

(4) SECRETARY- The term `Secretary' means the Secretary of Homeland Security.

(5) STATE- The term `State' means a State of the United States, the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, Guam, American Samoa, the Northern Mariana Islands, the Trust Territory of the Pacific Islands, and any other territory or possession of the United States.

SEC. 202. MINIMUM DOCUMENT REQUIREMENTS AND ISSUANCE STANDARDS FOR FEDERAL RECOGNITION.

(a) Minimum Standards for Federal Use-

(1) IN GENERAL- Beginning 3 years after the date of the enactment of this division, a Federal agency may not accept, for any official purpose, a driver's license or identification card issued by a State to any person unless the State is meeting the requirements of this section.

(2) STATE CERTIFICATIONS- The Secretary shall determine whether a State is meeting the requirements of this section based on certifications made by the State to the Secretary. Such certifications shall be made at such times and in such manner as the Secretary, in consultation with the Secretary of Transportation, may prescribe by regulation.

(b) Minimum Document Requirements- To meet the requirements of this section, a State shall include, at a minimum, the following information and features on each driver's license and identification card issued to a person by the State:

(1) The person's full legal name.

(2) The person's date of birth.

(3) The person's gender.

(4) The person's driver's license or identification card number.

(5) A digital photograph of the person.

(6) The person's address of principle residence.

(7) The person's signature.

(8) Physical security features designed to prevent tampering, counterfeiting, or duplication of the document for fraudulent purposes.

(9) A common machine-readable technology, with defined minimum data elements.

(c) Minimum Issuance Standards-

(1) IN GENERAL- To meet the requirements of this section, a State shall require, at a minimum, presentation and verification of the following information before issuing a driver's license or identification card to a person:

(A) A photo identity document, except that a non-photo identity document is acceptable if it includes both the person's full legal name and date of birth.

(B) Documentation showing the person's date of birth.

(C) Proof of the person's social security account number or verification that the person is not eligible for a social security account number.

(D) Documentation showing the person's name and address of principal residence.

(2) SPECIAL REQUIREMENTS-

(A) IN GENERAL- To meet the requirements of this section, a State shall comply with the minimum standards of this paragraph.

(B) EVIDENCE OF LAWFUL STATUS- A State shall require, before issuing a driver's license or identification card to a person, valid documentary evidence that the person--

(i) is a citizen or national of the United States;

(ii) is an alien lawfully admitted for permanent or temporary residence in the United States;

(iii) has conditional permanent resident status in the United States;

(iv) has an approved application for asylum in the United States or has entered into the United States in refugee status;

(v) has a valid, unexpired nonimmigrant visa or nonimmigrant visa status for entry into the United States;

(vi) has a pending application for asylum in the United States;

(vii) has a pending or approved application for temporary protected status in the United States;

(viii) has approved deferred action status; or

(ix) has a pending application for adjustment of status to that of an alien lawfully admitted for permanent residence in the United States or conditional permanent resident status in the United States.

(C) TEMPORARY DRIVERS' LICENSES AND IDENTIFICATION CARDS-

(i) IN GENERAL- If a person presents evidence under any of clauses (v) through (ix) of subparagraph (B), the State may only issue a temporary driver's license or temporary identification card to the person.

(ii) EXPIRATION DATE- A temporary driver's license or temporary identification card issued pursuant to this subparagraph shall be valid only during the period of time of the applicant's authorized stay in the United States or, if there is no definite end to the period of authorized stay, a period of one year.

(iii) DISPLAY OF EXPIRATION DATE- A temporary driver's license or temporary identification card issued pursuant to this subparagraph shall clearly indicate that it is temporary and shall state the date on which it expires.

(iv) RENEWAL- A temporary driver's license or temporary identification card issued pursuant to this subparagraph may be renewed only upon presentation of valid documentary evidence that the status by which the applicant qualified for the temporary driver's license or temporary identification card has been extended by the Secretary of Homeland Security.

(3) VERIFICATION OF DOCUMENTS- To meet the requirements of this section, a State shall implement the following procedures:

(A) Before issuing a driver's license or identification card to a person, the State shall verify, with the issuing agency, the issuance, validity, and completeness of each document required to be presented by the person under paragraph (1) or (2).

(B) The State shall not accept any foreign document, other than an official passport, to satisfy a requirement of paragraph (1) or (2).

(C) Not later than September 11, 2005, the State shall enter into a memorandum of understanding with the Secretary of Homeland Security to routinely utilize the automated system known as Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements, as provided for by section 404 of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 (110 Stat. 3009-664), to verify the legal presence status of a person, other than a United States citizen, applying for a driver's license or identification card.

(d) Other Requirements- To meet the requirements of this section, a State shall adopt the following practices in the issuance of drivers' licenses and identification cards:

(1) Employ technology to capture digital images of identity source documents so that the images can be retained in electronic storage in a transferable format.

(2) Retain paper copies of source documents for a minimum of 7 years or images of source documents presented for a minimum of 10 years.

(3) Subject each person applying for a driver's license or identification card to mandatory facial image capture.

(4) Establish an effective procedure to confirm or verify a renewing applicant's information.

(5) Confirm with the Social Security Administration a social security account number presented by a person using the full social security account number. In the event that a social security account number is already registered to or associated with another person to which any State has issued a driver's license or identification card, the State shall resolve the discrepancy and take appropriate action.

(6) Refuse to issue a driver's license or identification card to a person holding a driver's license issued by another State without confirmation that the person is terminating or has terminated the driver's license.

(7) Ensure the physical security of locations where drivers' licenses and identification cards are produced and the security of document materials and papers from which drivers' licenses and identification cards are produced.

(8) Subject all persons authorized to manufacture or produce drivers' licenses and identification cards to appropriate security clearance requirements.

(9) Establish fraudulent document recognition training programs for appropriate employees engaged in the issuance of drivers' licenses and identification cards.

(10) Limit the period of validity of all driver's licenses and identification cards that are not temporary to a period that does not exceed 8 years.

(11) In any case in which the State issues a driver's license or identification card that does not satisfy the requirements of this section, ensure that such license or identification card--

(A) clearly states on its face that it may not be accepted by any Federal agency for federal identification or any other official purpose; and

(B) uses a unique design or color indicator to alert Federal agency and other law enforcement personnel that it may not be accepted for any such purpose.

(12) Provide electronic access to all other States to information contained in the motor vehicle database of the State.

(13) Maintain a State motor vehicle database that contains, at a minimum--

(A) all data fields printed on drivers' licenses and identification cards issued by the State; and

(B) motor vehicle drivers' histories, including motor vehicle violations, suspensions, and points on licenses.

SEC. 203. TRAFFICKING IN AUTHENTICATION FEATURES FOR USE IN FALSE IDENTIFICATION DOCUMENTS.

(a) Criminal Penalty- Section 1028(a)(8) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by striking `false authentication features' and inserting `false or actual authentication features'.

(b) Use of False Driver's License at Airports-

(1) IN GENERAL- The Secretary shall enter, into the appropriate aviation security screening database, appropriate information regarding any person convicted of using a false driver's license at an airport (as such term is defined in section 40102 of title 49, United States Code).

(2) FALSE DEFINED- In this subsection, the term `false' has the same meaning such term has under section 1028(d) of title 18, United States Code.

SEC. 204. GRANTS TO STATES.

(a) In General- The Secretary may make grants to a State to assist the State in conforming to the minimum standards set forth in this title.

(b) Authorization of Appropriations- There are authorized to be appropriated to the Secretary for each of the fiscal years 2005 through 2009 such sums as may be necessary to carry out this title.

SEC. 205. AUTHORITY.

(a) Participation of Secretary of Transportation and States- All authority to issue regulations, set standards, and issue grants under this title shall be carried out by the Secretary, in consultation with the Secretary of Transportation and the States.

(b) Extensions of Deadlines- The Secretary may grant to a State an extension of time to meet the requirements of section 202(a)(1) if the State provides adequate justification for noncompliance.

SEC. 206. REPEAL.

 

[I AM]

If you read all of that, there's a lot of good info.

It's not as bad as most of you are making it out to be...although it does kind of suck.

 

[Vince V.]

why do people always trip on sex offenders and not on other violent criminals?
I'd like to know where the people that murder people and shoot babies are as much as the guy who rapes and molests.
They need to chip all them fucks

 

[TaxMan]

Now that I think about it. I'm leaning more on the fact that they'll try and inject everybody with a chip...mark of the beast like " thatguy" stated.

Say anybody commits a crime or whatever the case may be. Wouldn't it be easy to just ditch the I.D. and bounce? The answer is yes, so I'm thinking they gonna want to have us all injected with that shit...where we can't shake it.

I mean they already have the fuckin' cell phones that can track where your at, right? That's just a start Folks, IMO.

They'll inject all of us and not even tell us...claim it's a flu shot, take a certain medication or even put in in a few products for those of us who dodge the doctors or shots.

...never underestimate these fuckers.

/agree

 

[Arson]

pretty soon we will all be treated like parolee's.

 

[I AM]

Because violence can be justified.


THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION FOR SEX CRIMES.


PERIOD.

I dont give a fuck what the excuse is... there is ZERO justification for a sexual offenses.

& I seriously question those who stick up for sexual offenders.

I agree with that....but really, if you take someone's life, you have ruined their family, and taken that life....if you rape/molest someone, you are essentially really only hurting them for the rest of their life....

can you really say that one is worse than the other? in one situation, you are dead and have no life...the other, you are alive, and that shit will stick with you for the rest of your life (unless you are in super fuckin deep counseling for years).

 

[kayvee]

i already have fastrak..its not like they cant find out where u are. LOL

~k.

 

[Vince V.]

Because violence can be justified.


THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION FOR SEX CRIMES.


PERIOD.

I dont give a fuck what the excuse is... there is ZERO justification for a sexual offenses.

& I seriously question those who stick up for sexual offenders.

shooting a baby can be justified?
Murdering a family can be justified?
Dahmer, bundy, etc. No justification, just as fucked up in the head as sex offenders. Nobodys sticking up for anyone, I'd just like to know if a fuckin axe murderer is living next to me as much as the molester. I got a family

 

[thatguy]

Whatever, I'm not gonna go back and forth and argue w/ your ignorant ass. You think when your kid turns 15 and is out partying/drinking w/ all her so-called friends you're gonna be able to protect her? I doubt that.

You're acting as if repeat rapers/molesters shouldn't be watched carefully... they should, they're sick in they fuckin' heads if they can do something like that repeatedly. If it were up to me, they wouldn't even be walkin' the streets, living in my neighborhood, living a life like anyone else cuz they're not just like anyone else... they're sick and need to be monitored.

But anyway... I feel like I'm talking to a little shit kid when I reply back to you because of your ignorance so I'm done now.

your just bias, almost every opinion ive seen you put on this site is bias in one way or another, and im a little ignorant kid just cause i dont agree anyone needs to be monitored like that,due to the label "sex offender" being too open ended, for that to be fair. lol

and about the 15 year old daughter thing, maybe the 15 year old girl shouldnt be going and drinking with guys, because girls + liqour = getting naked and giving out the pussy. guy drunk seeing naked girl drunk = him most likely fucking her. then the girl wakes up in the morning and claims rape. thats bullshit, then that guy gets charged just cause she was drunk, like he wasnt or something. then he should get monitored through a chip for the rest of his life, lol, you run with that

 

[thatguy]

Because violence can be justified.


THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION FOR SEX CRIMES.


PERIOD.

I dont give a fuck what the excuse is... there is ZERO justification for a sexual offenses.

& I seriously question those who stick up for sexual offenders.

lol, define sex offender, define sex crimes

 

[SRD420]

your just bias, almost every opinion ive seen you put on this site is bias in one way or another, and im a little ignorant kid just cause i dont agree anyone needs to be monitored like that,due to the label "sex offender" being too open ended, for that to be fair. lol

and about the 15 year old daughter thing, maybe the 15 year old girl shouldnt be going and drinking with guys, because girls + liqour = getting naked and giving out the pussy. guy drunk seeing naked girl drunk = him most likely fucking her. then the girl wakes up in the morning and claims rape. thats bullshit, then that guy gets charged just cause she was drunk, like he wasnt or something. then he should get monitored through a chip for the rest of his life, lol, you run with that

Yeah well girls will be girls and guys will be guys, but regardless, being drunk or not... you have a "choice" and if you wanna fuck some under aged naked girl, then you're saying you can pay the consequence. Just like sex, if you wanna fuck w/out protection... then you must be ready to have a kid and take responsibility for your actions.

Sex offender, murderers... both of 'em should be chipped. Really, what hurt is it gonna do if they're chipped? I know I'd feel better as a citizen knowing if a sex offender/murderer was living next to me and my family. It wouldn't do any harm, the only harm is these mfkrs walkin' around like they're anybody else and THEY'RE NOT!

And yeah, so what, I've got my opinions and so do you... and I'm glad I do cuz if I could never imagine thinking like you do.

 

[Cmoke]

if you own a passport these chips are already in them and have been for years now.

 

[SRD420]

Calm down folks....

It is a discussion...you aint on the witness stand homie.

Dahmer & Bundy were both sexual criminals.

Killing babies, & innocents, to me are both acts of cowards, & should be thrown in the category of predators.


I got a family too folks....
& If I had to kill, for them....I wouldnt wanna be grouped into the same bucket as these fucking baby touchers, & sex offenders.

I feel you on that, I wouldn't wanna be grouped in that bunch either... certain cases call for certain measures.

 

[Vince V.]

Calm down folks....

It is a discussion...you aint on the witness stand homie.

Dahmer & Bundy were both sexual criminals.

Killing babies, & innocents, to me are both acts of cowards, & should be thrown in the category of predators.


I got a family too folks....
& If I had to kill, for them....I wouldnt wanna be grouped into the same bucket as these fucking baby touchers, & sex offenders.

If you had to defend your family you wouldn't be classified as a murderer pimp. You know what I mean I hope. If you rob someone and kill them your just as guilty as the rapist or molester. I know it's a discussion homie, and I stay off the witness stand, lol

 

[thatguy]

Yeah well girls will be girls and guys will be guys, but regardless, being drunk or not... you have a "choice" and if you wanna fuck some under aged naked girl, then you're saying you can pay the consequence. Just like sex, if you wanna fuck w/out protection... then you must be ready to have a kid and take responsibility for your actions.

Sex offender, murderers... both of 'em should be chipped. Really, what hurt is it gonna do if they're chipped? I know I'd feel better as a citizen knowing if a sex offender/murderer was living next to me and my family. It wouldn't do any harm, the only harm is these mfkrs walkin' around like they're anybody else and THEY'RE NOT!

And yeah, so what, I've got my opinions and so do you... and I'm glad I do cuz if I could never imagine thinking like you do.

yea, well the girl shouldnt be able to change her choice during and after the fact based on the fact she was drunk, point blank, she knows what happens when people get drunk, she chose to go do that, she then says yes, but says no when shes sober, thats bullshit. and i dont do anything im speaking of, i dont even party, and i dont think that every rape is this way, or every rape happens the other way, it just seems your condemning a really broad category of people to a label, and chip, that can greatly ruin there lives and life opportunities. just be more open minded.

and as far as a chip on a killer next door to you, point blank, if he wants to kill you, he still will, theyll just be able to see he was at your house when the murder happened, it doesnt protect anything really that well, it can go either way.

and as far as thinking like i do, lol, im making sure both sides are expressed, and staying open minded to both sides rather than putting a label and chip in or on a very broad group of people, while some of them dont deserve neither.