Racist white people in the US (50s-70s)

[WHITE DEVIL]

Not true at all... If he sought to be president and felt that the only way he could or should be president is to forsake his culture and people, he would then be labeled a white sell out, and rightfully so.

What is that culture though?

Do Black folks not have enough of a stake as Americans to not speak ebonics or make black issues their sole focus and concern?

Have you ever known someone who turns everything political? Who will not budge or give a position no matter what happens? Who will not drop their single-issue perspective? Those people generally are not the most successful in relationships.

However, the black community expects all black folks in the public eye to be that person, and is ready to disown them if not, even on suspicion of such offense. In other words, if you do not shoot yourself in the foot, we will shoot you in the back.

 

[ParkBoyz]

What is that culture though?

Do Black folks not have enough of a stake as Americans to not speak ebonics or make black issues their sole focus and concern?

No, but at the end of the day, ebonics, or African American Vernacular English is a legitimate dialect with west African grammatical items and structure derived from existing cultures that survived the middle passage and time. Also, as long as the people with whom you identify do not have the same stake as other Americans, or are still struggling then it is expected that a powerful figure who is part of that said community at least do something that would benefit his community's disposition. There definitely is a dichotomy between black and white and there's no reason to pretend like there isn't for political correctness' sake.

Have you ever known someone who turns everything political?Who will not budge or give a position no matter what happens? Who will not drop their single-issue perspective? Those people generally are not the most successful in relationships.

Isn't it a politician's job to be political? Of course zoning in on one key issue at the expense of others is detrimental in its approach, but emphasis and primary concern is totally different than obsession.

However, the black community expects all black folks in the public eye to be that person, and is ready to disown them if not, even on suspicion of such offense..

"The black community" comprises millions of individuals with varying personalities and views. When I say "Millions", I am not exaggerating as I believe African Americans compose 12% of the population. Therefore, it is impossible to reference such a community in terms of some monotypic entity in which you speak for everyone who is a part of that whole. Communities don't have brains, individuals do, therefore, communities can't expect anything, let alone think.

In other words, if you do not shoot yourself in the foot, we will shoot you in the back.

In other words, your rash generalization can be disregarded as another fallacious stereotype and truth by assertion fallacy. Please specify which black person/s you're referring to.

 

[thatguy]

No, but at the end of the day, ebonics, or African American Vernacular English is a legitimate dialect with west African grammatical items and structure derived from existing cultures that survived the middle passage and time.

wow, so saying "word is boom dunn, this cat from around the hood got snuffed and jooked for some kicks cuz, we finna get at that nigga" < this is derived from existing cultures and dialect in africa?!


and if what white devil is saying isnt true, please explain how a black man would "abandon his people and culture".

 

[ParkBoyz]

wow, so saying "word is boom dunn, this cat from around the hood got snuffed and jooked for some kicks cuz, we finna get at that nigga" < this is derived from existing cultures and dialect in africa?!

First of all, it's pronounced "word is bond", not "word is boom"..

Anyways, don't be ignorant by giving such relatively recent examples of arbitrary words created by the hip hop community, which has nothing to do with African American Vernacular English. There are specific lexical items and grammatical features directly derived from west Africa. The salient features are not regionally dependent, but rooted in a common source.


On AAVE

There are two main hypotheses about the origin of AAVE. One is the dialect hypothesis and the other is the creole hypothesis. The dialect hypothesis is the belief that African slaves, upon arriving in the United States, picked up English very slowly and learned it incorrectly, and that these mistakes have been passed down through generations. In other words, AAVE is just "bad English." The creole hypothesis, however, maintains that modern AAVE is the result of a creole derived from English and various West African Languages. Slaves, who spoke many different West African languages, were often thrown together during their passage to the New World. To be able to communicate in some fashion they developed a pidgin by applying English and some West African vocabulary to the familiar grammar rules of their native tongue. This pidgin was passed on to future generations, and as soon as it became the primary language of it's speakers it is classified as a creole. Over the years AAVE has gone through the process of decreolization and is beginning to sound more like Standard English.

- Source

Just some minor examples:

* Ya 'dig' as a way to ask a person if "they understand", is thought to be derived from the Wolof word, 'degga'/'degg', which means the same thing.

* 'Massa' is thought by some not to be a bastardation of the word "master", but Mansa, meaning overseer, or king of kings in Mande.. Some Fulani who were incorporated into the Manding empire during the middle ages actually pronounced it in this way.

* 'Cat', in Wolof means "fellow", similar to way way it is used in AAVE (That dude is a cool 'cat')..

* 'Cool', in Mandinka means Calm and collected.

* Ofay, which is a racial slur against white people, used by some African Americans in the early 20th century, is derived from the same word meaning "white person" among the Igbo of Nigeria



Grammatically, you should notice that words that end with a consonant are many times manipulated so that the word ends with a vowel or is dramatically reduced. The most famous example is N.igger vs. Nigga (also you have Ripper vs. Rippa, Runner vs. Runna, etc.), reduced consonant example would be ('west side vs. wes side).. As a matter of Linguistic fact, most Bantu languages do not end most of their word sounds with a consonant, but almost always a vowel.

There is also much phonology and grammar that is simply not found in English that is indeed found in AAVE and west African languages.. Unlike terminology, this is not subject to rapid change. Tense phrases like "I been had that", or "how you be", or "does be", are other examples, including negative inversion which is a primary identifier of AAVE.


Please educate yourself by reviewing more elaborate information on that, here - CLICK

^Don't embarrass yourself next time by so eagerly appealing to sarcasm, especially in reference to things you obviously have no idea about. It is a sign of both arrogance and ignorance...

and if what white devil is saying isnt true, please explain how a black man would "abandon his people and culture".

I'm not sure that I made any statement about anybody "abandoning" anybody else.. I'm only of the contention that one should look out for self, but if you're in a position to help others, then help those who are both in need and with whom you most closely identify (in the case of a black male/female from a black community, well, that would be in reference to their own community)..

 

[Rob S4]

How about we talk about something different besides this shit. Its always some muthafucka with the white racist shit. What about shit that happened in Japan (Hiroshima, Nagasaki) Nanking, Sudan. Its getting old. Its like all muthafuckas wanna bitch about how blacks were so wronged. Its old news. What about countries where people are getting shot for their beliefs in this day and age. Its usually Americans (Black and White that bitch, you all have it good now, shut up) (dont say America because we basically do what we want.) Lets talk about other shit sometimes. Dmn this isold.

 

[ParkBoyz]

How about we talk about something different besides this shit. Its always some muthafucka with the white racist shit. What about shit that happened in Japan (Hiroshima, Nagasaki) Nanking, Sudan. Its getting old. Its like all muthafuckas wanna bitch about how blacks were so wronged. Its old news. What about countries where people are getting shot for their beliefs in this day and age. Its usually Americans (Black and White that bitch, you all have it good now, shut up) (dont say America because we basically do what we want.) Lets talk about other shit sometimes. Dmn this isold.

It is not "old news" you souless anthrophobe.. Typical of some young white males to shun such issues as being due to the paranoia of blacks but not due to the atrocities that"your people" actually committed, which was never reconciled. Throwing someone in a ditch and ridiculing them while they try and dig them selves out is beyond sadistic sir. We live in America, but you definitely would like to divert the attention away to some other irrelevant country that has nothing to do with us and our history here. LMAO too at everybody having it good "now" when the economic disparity is wider than ever, including institutionalization, diseases, homicide, and degeneracy in culture. Yes sir, you are nothing but a reductionist with no answers, therefore you only seek to run away from the problem and pretend that one doesn't exist and never did.

 

[Rob S4]

It is not "old news" you souless anthrophobe.. Typical of some young white males to shun such issues as being due to the paranoia of blacks but not due to the atrocities that"your people" actually committed, which was never reconciled. Throwing someone in a ditch and ridiculing them while they try and dig them selves out is beyond sadistic sir. We live in America, but you definitely would like to divert the attention away to some other irrelevant country that has nothing to do with us and our history here. LMAO too at everybody having it good "now" when the economic disparity is wider than ever, including institutionalization, diseases, homicide, and degeneracy in culture. Yes sir, you are nothing but a reductionist with no answers, therefore you only seek to run away from the problem and pretend that one doesn't exist and never did.

Wow, Iam not surprised someone like you ("Crybaby") would say that. You are probably some selfish person who thinks he deserves all this special attention for some shit that never happened to him. There are more atriocities in the world then some shit from the 50's. What about the japanese who suffered from the Bomb? Vietnamese people who suffer under their government.

Waah my people this and my people that. Get the fuck away from me. You are the worst type of human being. you think that everyone should stop and focus on your cause. Well i refuse to just pick one atrocity and cry to others about it.

Yes you have it good. If anyone living in America thinks they have it horrible, go to the Sudan, China, Russia, or any other poor raveged country. Fucking complainers. I swear some people only further seak to create ignorance.

We all have somethign to do with these atrocities. it is our duty as human beings to work on everything. Not just some shit that happened in the 50's.

You need to think of others before you think of yourself.


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[Rob S4]

It is not "old news" you souless anthrophobe.. Typical of some young white males to shun such issues as being due to the paranoia of blacks but not due to the atrocities that"your people" actually committed, which was never reconciled. Throwing someone in a ditch and ridiculing them while they try and dig them selves out is beyond sadistic sir. We live in America, but you definitely would like to divert the attention away to some other irrelevant country that has nothing to do with us and our history here. LMAO too at everybody having it good "now" when the economic disparity is wider than ever, including institutionalization, diseases, homicide, and degeneracy in culture. Yes sir, you are nothing but a reductionist with no answers, therefore you only seek to run away from the problem and pretend that one doesn't exist and never did.

No I seak to destroy the ignorance that people like you promote with your ethnocentric views.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

First of all, it's pronounced "word is bond", not "word is boom"..

hahahaha@word is boom dunn!

 

[ParkBoyz]

lets play i think....

i think the lasting negative effects of slavery and systematic discrimination are undeniable.

hmm if you read that statement and thought i was only talking about african slaves, you are the problem.

Not unless you're able to demonstrate what other ethnic groups in America are affected by this said legacy of American slavery. Surely you do not equate indentured servants to that of the black African slave. I'm sure that you aren't that obtuse. Regardless of however I got at you in the past, I do expect more from you..

i also think the non-black population in the US tends to view blacks as focusing more on "you owe us for the past" than "we can move forward".

Notwithstanding that claims for reparations are pending and generally ignored, I don't see this statement as being valid as most black people I know concerned with the issue merely want some type of acknowledgement, which is virtually non-existent among the complacent white population, aside from the liberals.

The slave element is still embedded in many of the minds of black americans, those that let it define them will forever be slaves.

This is what you fail to understand. Blacks have never defined themselves, yet, have been defined.

Quote: the morally monstrous destruction of human possibility involved redefining African humanity to the world, poisoning past, present and future relations with others who only know us through this stereotyping and thus damaging the truly human relations among peoples. It also involves lifting Africans out of their own history making them a footnote and forgotten casualty in European history and thus limiting and denying their ability to speak their own special cultural truth to the world and make their own unique contribution to the forward flow of human history. - Prof. Kaurenga The Ethics of Reparations: Engaging the Holocaust of Enslavement

but i in fact think blacks in america have made leaps and bounds in a short amount of time and its must be partially attributed to the collective population seeeking that reconciliation that blacks remind the world they are due.

Actually, it was true blood, sweat, and tears and the demanding of equality while taking the fight to the front lines which helped garner the attention necessary to put an end to a lot of the nonsense that has since then been reduced. What you're suggesting has never been mentioned, as far as I'm aware by any notable sociologists or political historians. It is a fringe hypothesis convenient to your argument.

though the US is often demonized as the great slave nation of the common era, the majority of african slaves never set foot on american soil, they were shipped to south america.

Does that negate the millions of slaves who did reach north America? I don't understand your logic here. So punish Adolf Hitler, but pardon say, the Zodiac killer?

if we compare the two, blacks in the US are much more upwardly mobile, educated, accepted by their repsective societies, than those in south america.

South Americans for the most part are much more "upwardly mobile and educated" than say, Nigerians. And American whites for the most part are much more "upwardly mobile and educated" than say, American blacks. Argument by way of relativity is an invalid way to support your premise. So what again is your point?

Blacks need to free themselves, calling a successful peer that integrates into the greater american society a sellout and uncle tom does nothing but diminish any gains they pretend not to have made...

"Blacks" don't need to do anything besides live their life accordingly since "Black" isn't some blanket term denoting one entity with one brain or even collective thought in many cases. Though again, to intentionally throw someone in a 100 foot ditch, watching as they climb up 50 feet after so many hours without a rope, and then criticize them for not climbing quick enough when 1), you threw him in there in the first place and 2), you never gave him a rope but merely teased him with one, is beyond amoral. It is absurd to say the least and frankly, idiotic. As far as uncle Toms, uncle toms are those black males who basically follow along the same line of thinking as you. They criticize what they don't understand while appealing to the status quo, even though they were never raised like that. If they were raised like that, then obviously their mother or father was an uncle tom, so the burden can't be on him.

and to counter the inevitable, what would african americans consider a reconciliation?

To show more concern in the black community, give them better public schools like those seen in the burbs, use your means you've acquired from your ancestors to right the wrongs that they did, acknowledge that there is an injustice, spread that awareness, educate your children, stop systematic racism and discrimination and condemn any signs of personal racism. That's a start..

maybe....being regarded as heroes among the american youth (sports), being regarded as trend setters (music), having a legitimate contender for US president (obama), have the second female secretary of state (rice) despite being only 12% of the population, highly subsidized higher education exclusive to under represented (READ: black, hispanic, native american) students, not only having a racist tv channel, but having the second highest representation on TV behind whites again despite being only 12% of the population....hahahaha "fuck that gimme a check boiiiiiiii". jk...

You are so simple... Let's discuss what you forgot to include..

* Have the highest intra-ethnic group homicide rate
* More prone to hypertension and other disorders connected to stress
* More susceptible to HIV infection/highest rate of infection
* Highest infant mortality rate
* Highest proportion of men in prison
* Lowest median household income in the country
* Worst standard of living
* Less education
* Lowest life expectancy
* Higher pregnancy rate among teen women


Yep, this basically sums it up. You're biased and dishonest. There is no other explanation as to why you emphasize the inane, but disregard the significant.

 

[ParkBoyz]

Wow, Iam not surprised someone like you ("Crybaby") would say that. You are probably some selfish person who thinks he deserves all this special attention for some shit that never happened to him. There are more atriocities in the world then some shit from the 50's. What about the japanese who suffered from the Bomb? Vietnamese people who suffer under their government.

Of course, the personal attacks notwithstanding, I'm sure that you are aware that you make no sense, right? I've addressed a lot of your nonsense in more elaborate form in my address to nhojsmith..

Waah my people this and my people that. Get the fuck away from me. You are the worst type of human being. you think that everyone should stop and focus on your cause. Well i refuse to just pick one atrocity and cry to others about it.

Because you are an unenlightened anthrphone, like I've already stated. Whenever I reach out to intelligent white people in any kind of format of discussion, those like you are the last that I seek out. You are irrational and none of what you say has any type of coherent flow to it, logically. It is so subjective and garbled, that it is actually hard to respond to intelligently with out just calling you an ineducable idiot, and just moving on to somebody with more knowledgeable insight or justification for their views.

Yes you have it good.

Maybe, but you obviously don't have it all (up stairs)..

If anyone living in America thinks they have it horrible, go to the Sudan, China, Russia, or any other poor raveged country. Fucking complainers. I swear some people only further seak to create ignorance.

Those bullshit countries have nothing to do with America so save me your red herring antics and don't respond to me until your IQ raises dramatically by at least 40 points. At least nhojsmith gave an effort to make sense..

We all have somethign to do with these atrocities.

Africans had a lot to do with their own enslavements, but African Americans did not. Do you see the difference? If not, I reiterate my statement above.

it is our duty as human beings to work on everything. Not just some shit that happened in the 50's.

The 50s wasn't long ago at all sir.. The rest of your asinine post is cliche and shallow..

You need to think of others before you think of yourself.

I do think for others, since I'm doing just fine. When I cite statistics in the black community, do you honestly believe that I'm referring to my self? Boy, you have some work to do..

No I seak to destroy the ignorance that people like you promote with your ethnocentric views.

The only sign of ethnocentricity that I see is your stubborn insistence on defending the indefensible merely to alleviate the burden of your white ancestors, while distracting away from the central issue. The fact that you'd rather show concern for, or identify with Russia than fellow Americans, is very telling indeed. You definitely get no respect from me, whether that be worth anything or not, and I assume not given your apparent racial bias..

 

[MaddDogg]

This is what you fail to understand, blacks have never defined themselves, yet, have been defined.

Is this from the same guy who said "your people" and "you people." Which people exactly are we talking about here?

Actually, it was true blood, sweat, and tears and the demanding of equality while taking the fight to the front lines which helped garner the attention necessary to put an end to a lot of the nonsense that has since then been reduced. What you're suggesting has never been mentioned, as far as I'm aware by any notable sociologists or political historians. It is a fringe hypothesis convenient to your argument.

I don't understand this. It is a fringe hypothesis that the collective population wanted to see reconciliation with the African American community? That sounds pretty unreasonable considering what has happened in the last 40 years.

1), you threw him in there in the first place and 2), you never gave him a rope but merely teased him with one, is beyond amoral.

Who threw him in there in the first place? Who is you? Is it me because I&#8217;m white?

The problem with some white people

Is this the same as &#8220;you&#8221;?

It is not "old news" ... Typical of some young white males to shun such issues

Is it &#8220;you people" or not?

The black community" comprises millions of individuals with varying personalities and views. When I say "Millions", I am not exaggerating as I believe African Americans compose 12% of the population. Therefore, it is impossible to reference such a community in terms of some monotypic entity in which you speak

Isn't "your people" a way of referencing a community of millions of individuals with varying personalities and views?

I would like to hear exactly who &#8220;you people are.&#8221; My family is perdominately Irish, they haven&#8217;t lived hear more than 100 years, they were protestors and for equality years before the 60s, but I guess they are &#8220;you people.&#8221; Do they have a responsibility for what happened? In my opinion they have some but no more than anyone else. I&#8217;ll get to that later.

Whenever I reach out to intelligent white people in any kind of format of discussion, those like you are the last that I seek out.

So you only seek to engage intelligent &#8220;you people&#8217;s?&#8221; Is the adjective &#8220;intelligent&#8221; used in this comment to mean those who are college educated or high IQed, those who you have spoken with before and enjoy conversation or just simply people who agree with everything you say?

I appreciate your contribution to this forum in many respects but I just looked back at your posts through July 2007 and NOT ONCE did you put ANY responsibility on African Americans for some of the situations and hardships they face. Are condoms and other methods of STD prevention not widely available and FOR FREE? Are &#8220;you people&#8221; constantly forcing African Americans to kill each other? How many children are born in the African American community out of wedlock? And besides performing essential parenting like discipline, making sure children go to school and homework, and making sure they eat, how does having one parent instead of two economically affect a family? There needs to be JUST AS MUCH introspection as there is pointing the finger.

 

[MaddDogg]

The reason EVERY AMERICAN (note, not &#8220;you people&#8221 owe the African American community compensation is for hundreds of years this country gained an economic advantage on the backs of the African American community. Therefore, as an Irish American (among other things) I feel we should give back to the African Americans, even if &#8220;my people&#8221; had nothing to do with it, because AMERICA wronged them and today everyone living here benefits from it. This means whites, latinos, Asians, African Americans from Africa, etc etc. Providing reparations should be the duty of the American government. Since it is not easy to account for which Africans descend from slaves or not, my two cents is that EVERY AMERICAN pays a tax that used to provide for better education, housing, and food for African American communities. And EVERY DOLLAR of that money should be accounted for. No buyin&#8217; big rig trucks like you see on Chapelle and shit.

 

[ParkBoyz]

Mad Dogg. A lot of your replies irresponsibly misrepresent what I've stated while also nit picking the irrelevant. In reference to a search for reconciliation being the driving force behind change, this is nonsense. Reconciliation comes after freedom. I'll respond in full when I get back from class...

 

[ParkBoyz]

Is this from the same guy who said "your people" and "you people." Which people exactly are we talking about here?

White people.. Who else? Did you expect me to water that down or something?

I don't understand this. It is a fringe hypothesis that the collective population wanted to see reconciliation with the African American community? That sounds pretty unreasonable considering what has happened in the last 40 years.

I've addressed this above. To suggest that African Americans were searching for reconciliation in the 50s and 60s is ignorant, and that's an understatement. What they were fighting for, as we all should by now be aware of since we are all adultsl, is an equal right to control their own destiny and live according to what is already written in stone and promised to every natural American-born citizen, not reconciliation.

Who threw him in there in the first place? Who is you? Is it me because I&#8217;m white?

"You", corresponds to the descendants of those that benefit from their ancestors while at the same time criticizing the climber and denying the lasting affect of this Seesaw legacy.

Is this the same as &#8220;you&#8221;?

It is the same as just how I stated it..

Isn't "your people" a way of referencing a community of millions of individuals with varying personalities and views?

No, it is in reference again to those descendants who definitely benefit from these said atrocities, willing participant or not. If my father robbed a bank, died the following month but gave me the money beforehand, do you seriously believe that the District Attorney will give a shit that I've never robbed a bank in my life when they come looking for that missing money, that is now in my possession? I won't go to prison obviously, but the money is going back where it came from.. Or is there a statute of limitation on human enslavement, degradation, and prolonged deprivation?

I would like to hear exactly who &#8220;you people are.&#8221; My family is perdominately Irish, they haven&#8217;t lived hear more than 100 years, they were protestors and for equality years before the 60s, but I guess they are &#8220;you people.&#8221; Do they have a responsibility for what happened? In my opinion they have some but no more than anyone else. I&#8217;ll get to that later.

^^Then I wasn't talking to you and I've answered this question. Repeating the same thing over and over really alludes to you having nothing really to say.

So you only seek to engage intelligent &#8220;you people&#8217;s?&#8221; Is the adjective &#8220;intelligent&#8221; used in this comment to mean those who are college educated or high IQed, those who you have spoken with before and enjoy conversation or just simply people who agree with everything you say?

Stop babbling please, that wasn't even directed at you so why give me this annoying response full of rhetorical questions that only waste time? For some reason I find you overwhelmingly petty and annoying.Hopefully you have a point..

I appreciate your contribution to this forum in many respects but I just looked back at your posts through July 2007 and NOT ONCE did you put ANY responsibility on African Americans for some of the situations and hardships they face.

Why would I when you advocate individuality? Don't be a hypocrite, it is seriously distasteful..

Are condoms and other methods of STD prevention not widely available and FOR FREE?

No, but there is a general lack of sex education and awareness that isn't emphasized in the African American community or incorporated in a set frame work. The culture created by the noted slave mentality is one that is degenerate and care free. Sexual machismo at times also compensates other things that are otherwise lacking. Of course someone as shallow as yourself takes no time to think about it as you simply reduce it to an issue of lazy African Americans who don't like to use condoms. Wouldn't that be convenient?

Are &#8220;you people&#8221; constantly forcing African Americans to kill each other?

You ever heard of the saying "crabs in a bucket"? Well, whenever you have tons of people condensed in a space they feel unable to free themselves from, while they all basically fight for the same scant resources available to them, it is expected that conflict be a part of that struggle to survive. In addition to that, going back to the ditch and the crab analogy, if you have ten people in one ditch with everyone looking out for self, then as soon as the first person reaches the top, they 8 times out of 10 will be inevitably pulled back down since misery loves company and everybody wants to get out first. Also, the environment that compels the sort of mentality that leads people to justify killing, is a pretty harsh one. Surely African Americans didn't bring themselves over here from west africa by boat simply to place themselves in the inner city ghettos and fight each other for resources.

How many children are born in the African American community out of wedlock?

A lot..

And besides performing essential parenting like discipline, making sure children go to school and homework, and making sure they eat, how does having one parent instead of two economically affect a family?

Answer that question on your own, since I think it is quite obvious and pretty much a silly question..

There needs to be JUST AS MUCH introspection as there is pointing the finger.

If you call what I've went over, "pointing the finger", then maybe you should either reassess your comprehension skills, or it must simply be that you honestly feel guilty about something. What? I don't know, but it's been noted.

The reason EVERY AMERICAN (note, not &#8220;you people&#8221 owe the African American community compensation is for hundreds of years this country gained an economic advantage on the backs of the African American community.

Totally wrong since everyone hasn't reaped the benefits of the Seesaw, as many are neutral or new participants. I am indeed referring to "you people" and I've explained who "you people" are. Hopefully you don't keep going off on that same tangent as it really seems to have bothered you since you keep bringing it up.

Therefore, as an Irish American (among other things) I feel we should give back to the African Americans, even if &#8220;my people&#8221; had nothing to do with it, because AMERICA wronged them and today everyone living here benefits from it.

This is pathetic, self-loathing nonsense. You don't owe African Americans anything besides space from some of these nonsense views you have that are potentially deadly to their progression. AMERICA didn't do anything. AMERICA is a united empire in the western hemisphere; it is a land mass. White folk who inhabited America are the perpetrators and since humans are not distinctive geographical landmasses, they are capable of such atrocities. Everybody doesn't share the same benefits, because if that were the case, this discussion wouldn't be happening.. Many Asians for instance advance on the opportunities here, but bring their way of life with them... Also, for 90% of America's history, the best interests suited the dominant majority class and their living descendants, not AMERICANS.. We now reap the benefits of the struggle against THAT, not slavery and oppression..

This means whites, latinos, Asians, African Americans from Africa, etc etc.

Latinos were systematically victimized as minorities, Asians were systematically victimized as minorities, neither the latter or the former has ever been in a position of power collectively to exercise any kind of discrimination against blacks, and your last so called ethnic group is obviously an oxymoron. Africans are those born in Africa. African Americans are those people of African descent who were born in America. There is no such thing as African Americans from Africa. It is logically impossible for African Americans that did not exist to travel to Africa, kidnap Africans, enslave them and make them honorary African Americans as well. In other words, Africans born in America (African Americans) could not have possibly had anything to do with their own disposition since they were born there.Hope that makes sense..

Providing reparations should be the duty of the American government.

Agreed..

Since it is not easy to account for which Africans descend from slaves or not

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By process of elimination it is, pretty much. All migrant Africans are documented, so those African Americans with European last names are obviously of a different (slave) lineage.

my two cents is that EVERY AMERICAN pays a tax that used to provide for better education, housing, and food for African American communities. And EVERY DOLLAR of that money should be accounted for.

Your reasoning is flawed, but your proposed solutions are pretty much on point.

No buyin&#8217; big rig trucks like you see on Chapelle and shit.

You've again lost all credibility with me right here..

 

[MaddDogg]

White people.. Who else? Did you expect me to water that down or something?

Not at all. I did it specifically to prove that you look at this situation with a mentality that overlooks introspection and relies on pointing the finger at "you people." That you havent written one post in 3+ months that doesn't say "white man white man" regarding the plight of African Americans is a further manifestation of your inability to grasp a full understanding of what's going on because you are only out to see one side of the story.

I've addressed this above. To suggest that African Americans were searching for reconciliation in the 50s and 60s is ignorant, and that's an understatement.

If you want to be picky about words your right. I should not have used reconciliation, because black people do not even have that in their own community do they?

"You", corresponds to the descendants of those that benefit from their ancestors while at the same time criticizing the climber and denying the lasting affect of this Seesaw legacy.

Very good. This WHOLE COUNTRY got a big head start on a lot of other places and if you want to deny that you're full of shit. I need no evidence to prove my point because to argue America DID NOT grow immensly due to the work of slaves is ludicrious to begin with.

No, it is in reference again to those descendants who definitely benefit from these said atrocities, willing participant or not. If my father robbed a bank, died the following month but gave me the money beforehand, do you seriously believe that the District Attorney will give a shit that I've never robbed a bank in my life when they come looking for that missing money, that is now in my possession? I won't go to prison obviously, but the money is going back where it came from.. Or is there a statute of limitation on human enslavement, degradation, and prolonged deprivation?

There is no connection between my comment and this example. In fact the example doesn&#8217;t make a lot of sense so lets move on.

Then I wasn't talking to you and I've answered this question. Repeating the same thing over and over really alludes to you having nothing really to say.

That's funny you add this because its WHAT YOU WROTE that was repeated.

I'm saving this section of my post to remind you didn't answer ANY of my questions.

Totally wrong since everyone hasn't reaped the benefits of the Seesaw, as many are neutral or new participants.

Ask someone coming to America why they come here? If you'd answer my questions you'd save yourself a post and from sounding like an idiot.

You don't owe African Americans anything besides space from some of these nonsense views you have that are potentially deadly to their progression.

Wow, you sound like Hitler. Doesn&#8217;t agree with me = threat.

Latinos were systematically victimized as minorities, Asians were systematically victimized as minorities

This is completely loaded, and as you would say a matter of relativity. Ask the Chinese if the Japanese didn&#8217;t victimize them.

neither the latter or the former has ever been in a position of power collectively to exercise any kind of discrimination against blacks

LIES. SURELY YOU ARE NOT IGNORANT ENOUGH TO BELIEVE THIS!!!!

Good bye.

 

[ParkBoyz]

Not at all. I did it specifically to prove that you look at this situation with a mentality that overlooks introspection and relies on pointing the finger at "you people."

What am I looking into myself for? Do you know me? Surely you make no sense..

That you havent written one post in 3+ months that doesn't say "white man white man" regarding the plight of African Americans is a further manifestation of your inability to grasp a full understanding of what's going on because you are only out to see one side of the story.

Why don't you explain the justification in enslaving millions of people and depriving them of humanity for several centuries then? You seem better fit to represent that state of mind apparently. The rest of what you're saying is hot air/false ad hominem attacks based on your own dull imagination.

If you want to be picky about words your right. I should not have used reconciliation, because black people do not even have that in their own community do they?

I'm not being picky, but it would be a lot easier if you'd pick up a thesaurus. You obviously still don't get the point either.

Very good. This WHOLE COUNTRY got a big head start on a lot of other places and if you want to deny that you're full of shit. I need no evidence to prove my point because to argue America DID NOT grow immensly due to the work of slaves is ludicrious to begin with.

No one ever suggested that America wasn't able to grow in part due to the trans-atlantic slave trade, but the main sources of revenue that we now ALL benefit from basically can be traced to the industrial revolution. You should also cease with this "whole country" nonsense, unless when you say "whole country" you mean white people at the expense of those minorities who were not considered to be full citizens..

There is no connection between my comment and this example. In fact the example doesn&#8217;t make a lot of sense so lets move on.

No, you're just apparently too slow and not skilled at understanding analogies, so instead of more elaboration, yes, it is better to just move on..

That's funny you add this because its WHAT YOU WROTE that was repeated.

I'm saving this section of my post to remind you didn't answer ANY of my questions.

Your questions are due to you being an interloper when what I was addressing was specifically applied to someone else, and is not universally applicable. Therefore, your questions were irrelevant and senseless.

Ask someone coming to America why they come here? If you'd answer my questions you'd save yourself a post and from sounding like an idiot.

Your incompetence is beyond understanding.. Seriously, it is actually draining. Most Immigrants do not come here well off but they find well off people when they do get here. America has something called free enterprise, which has nothing to do with reaping benefits. Wow, you're so clueless and unteachable.

Wow, you sound like Hitler. Doesn&#8217;t agree with me = threat.

This is a non sequitur

This is completely loaded, and as you would say a matter of relativity. Ask the Chinese if the Japanese didn&#8217;t victimize them.

East Asians victimizing East Asians in East Asia has absolutely nothing to do with America. Wtf is wrong with you? Maybe you need a brain transplant..

LIES. SURELY YOU ARE NOT IGNORANT ENOUGH TO BELIEVE THIS!!!!

:ermm: My goodness gracious, are you seriously willing to dispute this? You are indeed more biased, delusional, and uneducated as I originally thought. Amazing.. Your entire response was less thought provoking than the previous. You have nothing for me here..

Good bye.

Good riddance..

 

[Dhadnot]

Parkboyz schoolin mufuckas!

 

[Rob S4]

Of course, the personal attacks notwithstanding, I'm sure that you are aware that you make no sense, right? I've addressed a lot of your nonsense in more elaborate form in my address to nhojsmith..



Because you are an unenlightened anthrphone, like I've already stated. Whenever I reach out to intelligent white people in any kind of format of discussion, those like you are the last that I seek out. You are irrational and none of what you say has any type of coherent flow to it, logically. It is so subjective and garbled, that it is actually hard to respond to intelligently with out just calling you an ineducable idiot, and just moving on to somebody with more knowledgeable insight or justification for their views.



Maybe, but you obviously don't have it all (up stairs)..



Those bullshit countries have nothing to do with America so save me your red herring antics and don't respond to me until your IQ raises dramatically by at least 40 points. At least nhojsmith gave an effort to make sense..



Africans had a lot to do with their own enslavements, but African Americans did not. Do you see the difference? If not, I reiterate my statement above.



The 50s wasn't long ago at all sir.. The rest of your asinine post is cliche and shallow..


I do think for others, since I'm doing just fine. When I cite statistics in the black community, do you honestly believe that I'm referring to my self? Boy, you have some work to do..



The only sign of ethnocentricity that I see is your stubborn insistence on defending the indefensible merely to alleviate the burden of your white ancestors, while distracting away from the central issue. The fact that you'd rather show concern for, or identify with Russia than fellow Americans, is very telling indeed. You definitely get no respect from me, whether that be worth anything or not, and I assume not given your apparent racial bias..

Wow what an idiot. I will not even waste my typing skills on this. Here I will be brief. You are so caught up in your own selfish deslusional world that there is no reasoning with someone like you. As far as my ancestors..... They made their own choices. I dont feel guilty about shit. I dont owe you shit, so stop thinking I do and go out and get yours. I could care less what happened some 200-300 years ago, let alone in the 50's. Iam talking about the here and now.

You list all these statistics that people bring on themselves. Half of that shit is caused by being an idiot.

Highest Pregnancy Rate- Keep your legs closed
Prison Rate- Stop being a fucking criminal
HIV infection rate- Stop having Sex, Stop Shooting up
HyperTension-All in the mind, Stress is stress you deal with it
Economy- We are all facing some economic bullshit. Blame the government.
Low Education- Go out and learn dummy.
Infant Mortality Rate- Thats sad. Babies are not born ignorant fucks like yourself.
Worst Standard of living- Changeable


There you go.

NEXT

Once again you live in America, so stop complaining.
Other countries do matter. You are just a racist. Who hates anyother race but your own. You are no better then the people you hate so much.

DONE

 

[Dhadnot]

if you could give a shit then stop talking, cuz you dont know what you are talking about, and even if the best economist, social scientist, historians, etc., showed you all the structural problems, personal and national prejudice blacks faced and face nowadays, you would still be pumpin the same shit. So why don't you just ignore these topics if you don't really care?