Ill give u Hatton but Clottey has never been anything to me. He may have even been a bit overrated. As for Cotto, bigface also mentioned about a fighter not being drained down to make weight so that took away from that fight not to mention coming off a cheap loss to Marg for cheating which was very mental for Cotto. I say Hatton was about the only primed fighter he has fought in a while. Got Em!!
Pacquiao vs Timothy Bradley June 9th [Las Vegas]
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Its no secret Mannys camp have been very selective on his opponents in the past 3 years or so and doing other things like catch weights for Manny to have an even further advantage. If the Mayweather fight would have happened we wouldnt need to complain about anything however it turned out better for boxing showcasing both fighters to the world.
it doesn't matter what u think about clottey the fact is he was ranked in the top five, and the highest ranked fighter available to fight. he gave cotto everything he could handle @nd destroyed Judah prior.
as for cotto being drained one single pound isn't what lost him the fight he lost cuz Pacquiao is better than him and suites his style well. remember cotto weighed 146 his fight prior and 145 against pac.
as for cotto being drained one single pound isn't what lost him the fight he lost cuz Pacquiao is better than him and suites his style well. remember cotto weighed 146 his fight prior and 145 against pac.
Dont care. I was never impressed with Clottey and thats why we have this thing called overrated and underrated because it does exist. Also when he fought Cotto the only reason it was close was because Cotto basically fought with one eye the whole fight and still won. Also when Manny fought Cotto it was still a catchweight and also Cotto wasnt together mentally dealing with getting hit with plaster which couldve possibly damaged him for life. Got Em!!
sounds like al you're doing is making excuses and trying to discredit solid wins. clottey was fucking up cotto for a good portion of that fight, but he let off the gas pedal and cotto finished strong.
and clottey wasn't overrated he was hardly known by anyone outside of hardcore fans. say what u will about clottey but he never was dominated in his career. his two losses to margarito and cotto were very close.
so for pac to stop cotto in his first real welterweight fight then beat clottey after, those are two very solid wins any way you slice it.
and again, it was a one pound difference for cotto against pac. does the same hold true for cottos win over margarito since it was at a catchweight of 153? does floyd's win over marquez not count? does bernard hopkins wins over Oscar, Winky and Pavlik not count? does Whitaker easily beating Chavez Sr not count? does Gatti's two wins over Ward not count? sugar ray leonard? Henry Armstrong?
and clottey wasn't overrated he was hardly known by anyone outside of hardcore fans. say what u will about clottey but he never was dominated in his career. his two losses to margarito and cotto were very close.
so for pac to stop cotto in his first real welterweight fight then beat clottey after, those are two very solid wins any way you slice it.
and again, it was a one pound difference for cotto against pac. does the same hold true for cottos win over margarito since it was at a catchweight of 153? does floyd's win over marquez not count? does bernard hopkins wins over Oscar, Winky and Pavlik not count? does Whitaker easily beating Chavez Sr not count? does Gatti's two wins over Ward not count? sugar ray leonard? Henry Armstrong?
Why would I give Manny props for that bullshit fight he fought against Mosley?? After the knockdown in 4th Manny didn't do shit but not cut off the ring, miss punches, and touch gloves with Mosley all night, you don't get props fighting like that.
If the 145lb catchweight didn't effect Cotto, then please explain to me why 1) Manny asked for a catchweight in the 1st place, since he already fought ODLH at 147lb?? 2) Why did Manny refuse to fight Cotto in a rematch above a catchweight of 148lb?? 3) If Cotto wasn't weight drained against Manny then why has Cotto never fought at 147lb again after the Manny fight?
Clottey was a bum and Manny could've fought Mayweather, Mosley or Berto and they all were ranked higher then Clottey. Manny ducked Mayweather because of drug testing, didn't want no part of Mosley after he KO'ed Margarito, and he just refuse to fight Berto.
Before Judah fought Baldomir he already agreed to fight Floyd next. Judah lost the fight and guess what Mayweather fought both Judah and Baldomir.
LOL.. At Hatton being in his prime after that 10 round beating Mayweather put on him.
If the 145lb catchweight didn't effect Cotto, then please explain to me why 1) Manny asked for a catchweight in the 1st place, since he already fought ODLH at 147lb?? 2) Why did Manny refuse to fight Cotto in a rematch above a catchweight of 148lb?? 3) If Cotto wasn't weight drained against Manny then why has Cotto never fought at 147lb again after the Manny fight?
Clottey was a bum and Manny could've fought Mayweather, Mosley or Berto and they all were ranked higher then Clottey. Manny ducked Mayweather because of drug testing, didn't want no part of Mosley after he KO'ed Margarito, and he just refuse to fight Berto.
Before Judah fought Baldomir he already agreed to fight Floyd next. Judah lost the fight and guess what Mayweather fought both Judah and Baldomir.
LOL.. At Hatton being in his prime after that 10 round beating Mayweather put on him.
You said plain & simple that you would give manny props if he won. he did and predictably you now make excuses. Instead you criticize pacquiao for mosley running for 9-10 rounds. He knocked him down, put him on queer street which is only the second person to do so in mosley's life (going back to when he was 8 years old), the other was a prime Vernon Forrest and pac won easily.
He was moving up from 140 and they agreed on it. Pretty common stuff when two guys from two different weight classes fight, you know, like Whitaker vs Chavez, Hopkins vs Pavlik, etc.
Was margarito weight drained when he fought Cotto at 153? You honestly think that ONE pound was the difference in the fight? Has nothing to do with "styles make fights" or anything like that?
He weighed in at a whopping 142 pounds against Oscar and immediately dropped down to 140 after...obviously he wasn't a true welterweight.
Who cares? Pac was getting criticized heavily for even considering a cotto rematch, at 148, 150 or 154, no one wanted to see pac fight cotto again since he already destroyed him. But pac has said he's not fighting above 150 anymore immediately after he fought margarito, he let that know from the start, he's done with that since he's so small.
Because he had nothing left at 147. Cotto fought everyone there. He fought Judah, Margarito, Mosley, Clottey, Pacquiao, Quntana. Also a very unique opportunity presented himself after being destroyed by pacquiao where he could fight Yuri Foreman for a title at 154 at the yankees stadium, obviously that was very lucrative for him. After that he had two money fights with Mayorga & Margarito. Notice how cotto didn't fight any top 154 pound fighters since winning the belt. What does that tell you? It should tell you he's a blown up welterweight.
Riddle me this batman - if Cotto is a true 154 pound fighter, why did he ask to rematch Margarito at 150 pounds? Doesn't sound like something a full blown junior middleweight would do.
At least get you're history right man. Mosley vs Berto was signed to fight. The next available opponent was Clottey, who was #5. After the fight was signed, Berto/Mosley fell apart due to the Haiti shit.
And yet you diss pac for fighting both cotto & clottey smh.
Prime or not he was the #1 fighter at 140 and lineal champ. Good win for Pac. Good win for Floyd. Not GREAT wins for either but good wins nonetheless.
He was moving up from 140 and they agreed on it. Pretty common stuff when two guys from two different weight classes fight, you know, like Whitaker vs Chavez, Hopkins vs Pavlik, etc.
Was margarito weight drained when he fought Cotto at 153? You honestly think that ONE pound was the difference in the fight? Has nothing to do with "styles make fights" or anything like that?
He weighed in at a whopping 142 pounds against Oscar and immediately dropped down to 140 after...obviously he wasn't a true welterweight.
Who cares? Pac was getting criticized heavily for even considering a cotto rematch, at 148, 150 or 154, no one wanted to see pac fight cotto again since he already destroyed him. But pac has said he's not fighting above 150 anymore immediately after he fought margarito, he let that know from the start, he's done with that since he's so small.
Because he had nothing left at 147. Cotto fought everyone there. He fought Judah, Margarito, Mosley, Clottey, Pacquiao, Quntana. Also a very unique opportunity presented himself after being destroyed by pacquiao where he could fight Yuri Foreman for a title at 154 at the yankees stadium, obviously that was very lucrative for him. After that he had two money fights with Mayorga & Margarito. Notice how cotto didn't fight any top 154 pound fighters since winning the belt. What does that tell you? It should tell you he's a blown up welterweight.
Riddle me this batman - if Cotto is a true 154 pound fighter, why did he ask to rematch Margarito at 150 pounds? Doesn't sound like something a full blown junior middleweight would do.
At least get you're history right man. Mosley vs Berto was signed to fight. The next available opponent was Clottey, who was #5. After the fight was signed, Berto/Mosley fell apart due to the Haiti shit.
And yet you diss pac for fighting both cotto & clottey smh.
Prime or not he was the #1 fighter at 140 and lineal champ. Good win for Pac. Good win for Floyd. Not GREAT wins for either but good wins nonetheless.
You said plain & simple that you would give manny props if he won. he did and predictably you now make excuses. Instead you criticize pacquiao for mosley running for 9-10 rounds. He knocked him down, put him on queer street which is only the second person to do so in mosley's life (going back to when he was 8 years old), the other was a prime Vernon Forrest and pac won easily.
So you’re telling that Manny not landing a clean punch after the 4th rd knockdown, him miss wild looping punches , and him not being able to cut off the ring against a 38yr Mosley who just got the brakes beat off him against Mayweather and looked like crap against Mora. You want me to say that Manny had a great performance in that crap fight. Only a dickrider like yourself will say that Manny looked good in that fight.
He was moving up from 140 and they agreed on it. Pretty common stuff when two guys from two different weight classes fight, you know, like Whitaker vs. Chavez, Hopkins vs. Pavli, etc.
1st off he already fought old ODLH at 147lb so your point here makes no sense. I don’t remember Chavez, Hopkins, or Whitaker needing catch weights and rehydration clauses in almost all of their big wins. ODLH rehydration clause can’t weight over 147lb on fight night. Cotto catch weight 145lb, Margarito catch weight 150lb.
Was margarito weight drained when he fought Cotto at 153? You honestly think that ONE pound was the difference in the fight? Has nothing to do with "styles make fights" or anything like that?
Yes, Margarito was weight drained in the rematch, that’s why he’s at 160lb now.
He weighed in at a whopping 142 pounds against Oscar and immediately dropped down to 140 after...obviously he wasn't a true welterweight.
He had no problem fight ODLH at 147lb a weight Oscar hadn’t fought at in 7 years.
Because he had nothing left at 147. Cotto fought everyone there. He fought Judah, Margarito, Mosley, Clottey, Pacquiao, Quntana. Also a very unique opportunity presented himself after being destroyed by pacquiao where he could fight Yuri Foreman for a title at 154 at the yankees stadium, obviously that was very lucrative for him. After that he had two money fights with Mayorga & Margarito. Notice how cotto didn't fight any top 154 pound fighters since winning the belt. What does that tell you? It should tell you he's a blown up welterweight.
Cotto still had a lot of good fights to be made at 147lb Mayweather, Berto, and Paul Williams were all champions. The only problem was that Cotto could not make 147lb anymore after that Manny fight, that’s why he moved to 154lb..
Riddle me this batman - if Cotto is a true 154 pound fighter, why did he ask to rematch Margarito at 150 pounds? Doesn't sound like something a full blown junior middleweight would do?
Cotto asked for a catch weight because he knew Margarito had trouble making 154lb, which is why Margarito is at 160lb now.
At least get you're history right man. Mosley vs. Berto was signed to fight. The next available opponent was Clottey, who was #5. After the fight was signed, Berto/Mosley fell apart due to the Haiti shit
. Stop lying Mosley was begging Manny for a fight and Roach said hell no after Mosley killed Margarito. Berto was begging for a fight with Manny too. And Mayweather was trying to fight Pac-man but Manny ducked the drug test to fight Clottey. Mosley and Berto had to fight each other because Mayweather vs. Manny was almost a done deal. Stop trying to change history.
And yet you diss pac for fighting both cotto & clottey smh. Cotto won the fight because Clottey stopped throwing punches.
I’m dissing Manny for fighting Morelas and not giving Raheem a shot but style makes fights and Raheem can box and counter punch.
Prime or not he was the #1 fighter at 140 and lineal champ. Good win for Pac. Good win for Floyd. Not GREAT wins for either but good wins nonetheless.
Mayweather too that '0' by TKO, better win for him the 1st to beat him.
So you’re telling that Manny not landing a clean punch after the 4th rd knockdown, him miss wild looping punches , and him not being able to cut off the ring against a 38yr Mosley who just got the brakes beat off him against Mayweather and looked like crap against Mora. You want me to say that Manny had a great performance in that crap fight. Only a dickrider like yourself will say that Manny looked good in that fight.
He was moving up from 140 and they agreed on it. Pretty common stuff when two guys from two different weight classes fight, you know, like Whitaker vs. Chavez, Hopkins vs. Pavli, etc.
1st off he already fought old ODLH at 147lb so your point here makes no sense. I don’t remember Chavez, Hopkins, or Whitaker needing catch weights and rehydration clauses in almost all of their big wins. ODLH rehydration clause can’t weight over 147lb on fight night. Cotto catch weight 145lb, Margarito catch weight 150lb.
Was margarito weight drained when he fought Cotto at 153? You honestly think that ONE pound was the difference in the fight? Has nothing to do with "styles make fights" or anything like that?
Yes, Margarito was weight drained in the rematch, that’s why he’s at 160lb now.
He weighed in at a whopping 142 pounds against Oscar and immediately dropped down to 140 after...obviously he wasn't a true welterweight.
He had no problem fight ODLH at 147lb a weight Oscar hadn’t fought at in 7 years.
Because he had nothing left at 147. Cotto fought everyone there. He fought Judah, Margarito, Mosley, Clottey, Pacquiao, Quntana. Also a very unique opportunity presented himself after being destroyed by pacquiao where he could fight Yuri Foreman for a title at 154 at the yankees stadium, obviously that was very lucrative for him. After that he had two money fights with Mayorga & Margarito. Notice how cotto didn't fight any top 154 pound fighters since winning the belt. What does that tell you? It should tell you he's a blown up welterweight.
Cotto still had a lot of good fights to be made at 147lb Mayweather, Berto, and Paul Williams were all champions. The only problem was that Cotto could not make 147lb anymore after that Manny fight, that’s why he moved to 154lb..
Riddle me this batman - if Cotto is a true 154 pound fighter, why did he ask to rematch Margarito at 150 pounds? Doesn't sound like something a full blown junior middleweight would do?
Cotto asked for a catch weight because he knew Margarito had trouble making 154lb, which is why Margarito is at 160lb now.
At least get you're history right man. Mosley vs. Berto was signed to fight. The next available opponent was Clottey, who was #5. After the fight was signed, Berto/Mosley fell apart due to the Haiti shit
. Stop lying Mosley was begging Manny for a fight and Roach said hell no after Mosley killed Margarito. Berto was begging for a fight with Manny too. And Mayweather was trying to fight Pac-man but Manny ducked the drug test to fight Clottey. Mosley and Berto had to fight each other because Mayweather vs. Manny was almost a done deal. Stop trying to change history.
And yet you diss pac for fighting both cotto & clottey smh. Cotto won the fight because Clottey stopped throwing punches.
I’m dissing Manny for fighting Morelas and not giving Raheem a shot but style makes fights and Raheem can box and counter punch.
Prime or not he was the #1 fighter at 140 and lineal champ. Good win for Pac. Good win for Floyd. Not GREAT wins for either but good wins nonetheless.
Mayweather too that '0' by TKO, better win for him the 1st to beat him.
Plain & simple you said you'd give him props if he won and he won. That's all there is to it. And yes it's hard to look good when a guy is running for 10 rounds but even so, pacquiao won a lopsided decision. Was it a fun, entertaining fight? Nope, but he dominated nonetheless.
There was no rehydration clause, you just made that up. Plus Oscar challenged Pacquiao, it was his idea to fight at 147. Manny himself was moving up from 135 and he was a huge underdog.
Some of Hopkins biggest wins were catchweights - against Oscar (158), Winky (170) and Pavlik (170). Whitaker vs Chavez was a catchweight fight.
Margarito hasn't had a fight at 160 so I don't know what fantasy world you're living in. There was talk of him fighting Chavez jr. at 160 but that was scrapped. If you think Margarito was weight drained against Cotto you're a moron.
Williams was not a champ and the only guy was berto, which wasn't worth staying at 147. He never once said he couldn't make 147, ever. His decision to move to 154 was clearly because of things I spoke about (a quick title shot against Foreman after being destroyed).
Would a full blown junior middleweight fight at 150? Or is it because Cotto has no problem making the weight, because he's a small guy. He stands the same height as pacquiao... And no margarito didn't have trouble making 154. He's a natural 147-154 pound fighter, always has been always will be.
Can you read man? Berto & Mosley were scheduled to fight when Pac chose to fight Clottey. Besides Berto could beg all he wanted but he hadn't fought anyone good in the first place (stevie forbes, urango? c'mon man). The best opponents he faced he lost to (Collazo arguably and later Ortiz).
Goes both ways man - floyd could have accepted a cutoff date, pac could have accepted all of floyds terms.
Like I said Raheem became irrelevant after stinking up the joint and losing to Acelino Freitas. Morales was way more money for a rubber match.
So we agree Pac's win over Cotto is much better than Floyd's. After all you did call Cotto shot for a couple years, don't forget. Thanks for playing, better luck next time.
There was no rehydration clause, you just made that up. Plus Oscar challenged Pacquiao, it was his idea to fight at 147. Manny himself was moving up from 135 and he was a huge underdog.
Some of Hopkins biggest wins were catchweights - against Oscar (158), Winky (170) and Pavlik (170). Whitaker vs Chavez was a catchweight fight.
Margarito hasn't had a fight at 160 so I don't know what fantasy world you're living in. There was talk of him fighting Chavez jr. at 160 but that was scrapped. If you think Margarito was weight drained against Cotto you're a moron.
Williams was not a champ and the only guy was berto, which wasn't worth staying at 147. He never once said he couldn't make 147, ever. His decision to move to 154 was clearly because of things I spoke about (a quick title shot against Foreman after being destroyed).
Would a full blown junior middleweight fight at 150? Or is it because Cotto has no problem making the weight, because he's a small guy. He stands the same height as pacquiao... And no margarito didn't have trouble making 154. He's a natural 147-154 pound fighter, always has been always will be.
Can you read man? Berto & Mosley were scheduled to fight when Pac chose to fight Clottey. Besides Berto could beg all he wanted but he hadn't fought anyone good in the first place (stevie forbes, urango? c'mon man). The best opponents he faced he lost to (Collazo arguably and later Ortiz).
Goes both ways man - floyd could have accepted a cutoff date, pac could have accepted all of floyds terms.
Like I said Raheem became irrelevant after stinking up the joint and losing to Acelino Freitas. Morales was way more money for a rubber match.
So we agree Pac's win over Cotto is much better than Floyd's. After all you did call Cotto shot for a couple years, don't forget. Thanks for playing, better luck next time.
There was no rehydration clause, you just made that up. Plus Oscar challenged Pacquiao, it was his idea to fight at 147. Manny himself was moving up from 135 and he was a huge underdog.
Yes, there was a rehydration clause against ODLH that he had to be 147lb on fight night. ODLH was 146lb on fight night and Manny was 148lb. Stop trying to change boxing history.
Margarito hasn't had a fight at 160 so I don't know what fantasy world you're living in. There was talk of him fighting Chavez jr. at 160 but that was scrapped. If you think Margarito was weight drained against Cotto you're a moron.
Margarito just pulled out of his last fight which was at 160lb. so who's the moron???
Goes both ways man - floyd could have accepted a cutoff date, pac could have accepted all of floyds terms.
Mayweather offered Manny 50/50 split with a 14-day no test window that was a good offer.
So we agree Pac's win over Cotto is much better than Floyd's. After all you did call Cotto shot for a couple years, don't forget.
Manny's win over Cotto is better then Mayweather because he beat Cotto 1st. And Cotto proved me wrong about him being shot in the ring against Mayweather
Again stop trying to put words in my mouth and stop trying to change history.
It is what it is the past is the past. I want to see what Manny does against Bradley.
Now go back to changing more boxing history to hype up Manny.
Yes, there was a rehydration clause against ODLH that he had to be 147lb on fight night. ODLH was 146lb on fight night and Manny was 148lb. Stop trying to change boxing history.
Margarito hasn't had a fight at 160 so I don't know what fantasy world you're living in. There was talk of him fighting Chavez jr. at 160 but that was scrapped. If you think Margarito was weight drained against Cotto you're a moron.
Margarito just pulled out of his last fight which was at 160lb. so who's the moron???
Goes both ways man - floyd could have accepted a cutoff date, pac could have accepted all of floyds terms.
Mayweather offered Manny 50/50 split with a 14-day no test window that was a good offer.
So we agree Pac's win over Cotto is much better than Floyd's. After all you did call Cotto shot for a couple years, don't forget.
Manny's win over Cotto is better then Mayweather because he beat Cotto 1st. And Cotto proved me wrong about him being shot in the ring against Mayweather
Again stop trying to put words in my mouth and stop trying to change history.
It is what it is the past is the past. I want to see what Manny does against Bradley.
Now go back to changing more boxing history to hype up Manny.
why do you think that fight was scrapped? the entire reason behind margarito planning on fighting a bum at 160 was to set up a fight with Chavez jr, i.e another big payday. Chavez jr. since signed a contract to fight Sergio Martinez assuming he beats Lee, so there is no more margarito fight and no more reason for margarito to fight at 160, that's why he canceled his fight.
Dude is not a middleweight anyway you look at it. He has fought his entire 17 year career between 133 pounds and 154 pounds.
Dude is not a middleweight anyway you look at it. He has fought his entire 17 year career between 133 pounds and 154 pounds.
I think the religious manny Is just him being mature, but let's not forget 2-0 ......manny is now a politician, so he is prolly using the show as a podium.
I like Bradley a lot. He is humble, has a great relationship with his father and doesn't care about money... ... Totally opposite of the other black undefeated fighter.
I like Bradley a lot. He is humble, has a great relationship with his father and doesn't care about money... ... Totally opposite of the other black undefeated fighter.
