Pacquiao vs Timothy Bradley June 9th [Las Vegas]

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Well Ricky Hatton won the WBA belt at 147lb against a good fighter in Luis Collazo. Bradley didn't look all that good in his fight at 147lb. Bradley's not even the lineal champion at 140lb, but Hatton was. So what makes you believe that Bradley is better suited for 147lb then Hatton?

Why does Manny get credit for fighting a 140lb champion, but the other guy gets not credit for knocking out an undefeated, lineal champion at 140lb, that won the WBA belt at 147lb, and Hatton was a top 10 pound for pound fighter at the time?

That's my main problem with Manny fans all the double standards and always discrediting the other guys body of work. I'm a boxing fan and there is no way in hell you can say Bradley is any better the Hatton coming into this fight.
 
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Bradley is a better fighter than Ricky Hatton. I don't why u always try to spin something negative and somehow relate it to floyd.
How can I spin the truth? It's just funny seeing all the Manny fans happy about Manny fighting a undefeated 140lber, but yet the same people discredit the other guy for KO'ing the undefeated lineal 140lb champ in 2007.

The truth is Ricky Hatton was the lineal champion at 140lb after KO'ing Tszyu, undefeated at 43-0, won the WBA title at 147lb.

206, I remember you being one of the main guys accusing Bradley of ducking Khan, but now that Bradley is fighting Manny he's cool with you again and now he's the best 140lbers. lol.. Do you want me to go find you old posts about Bradley to show your double standards??
 
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Do u want me to quote myself when I said you were right after all? Here:

I was a bit pissed at him not fighting Amir Khan, but I guess the ends justify the means in this case as he got Pacquiao and Khan went on to lose to a guy Bradley already easily beat. So this is the one time I'll say bigface was right.

http://www.siccness.net/vb/showthread.php?t=269874&page=826&p=2650883701&viewfull=1#post2650883701


Like I said in the above quote, at the time I was pissed Bradley didn't fight Khan cuz that's the fight everyone wanted to see at 140 pounds. If u recall I picked bradley to win. What sucked was that Bradley sat out for basically a year. But like u said he made a business decision and in the end he got the bigger fight in Pacquiao. That doesn't mean a year ago I didn't want him to fight Khan and I didn't like it.

If you know anything about what I constantly want in boxing it is that I always want the #1 to fight the #2 in a division where there is no lineal champ.
 
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Well Ricky Hatton won the WBA belt at 147lb against a good fighter in Luis Collazo. Bradley didn't look all that good in his fight at 147lb.
Interesting being that Hatton didn't look that good against Collazo and nearly was knocked down a couple times in a close fight. Bradley won every single round at his 147 debut. The knock on bradley was that it wasn't very entertaining, but he dominated nonetheless. Bradley has many fights that aren't very entertaining, but he almost always dominates.

Bradley's not even the lineal champion at 140lb, but Hatton was. So what makes you believe that Bradley is better suited for 147lb then Hatton?
Hatton was the lineal champ at 140 because he beat an older Kostya Tszyu, but I've never once been highly impressed with Ricky Hatton and I seriously doubt you have either. He's a good fighter but he is what he is.

Floyd gets credit for beating Hatton and taking his "0" away. The one knock on Floyd was that Hatton wasn't really a true 147 pounder. Whereas Pac fought Hatton at his first fight moving up to 140 pounds, but the knock on Manny was he already got beat by Floyd. They are about equal in terms of accomplishment imo. But for both guys they were money fights.

That's my main problem with Manny fans all the double standards and always discrediting the other guys body of work. I'm a boxing fan and there is no way in hell you can say Bradley is any better the Hatton coming into this fight.
If you think Hatton was a better fighter than Bradley is than that's on you but I HIGHLY doubt you honestly believe that. The other thing is Pac is a small welterweight himself so it's not like he has a size advantage over Bradley. Bradley walks around 165-170 pounds, whereas Pac walks around 145-150. I've said for the past couple years now Pac's ideal weight is 140 pounds. Hell, even Marquez outweighed Pacquiao on fight night in the last fight and JMM was moving up from 135.
 
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Until Bradley proves that he can beat the top 1 or 2 P4P fighter, something that Ricky couldn't do, then he's on the same level as Ricky. In my eyes Bradley = Hatton coming into the fight. Bradley beating a cab driver that no one heard of at 147lb doesn't prove anything to me. Bradley beating Manny or giving Manny a good fight will prove his worth.
 

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Bradley whooping devon Alexander didn't mean anything? Whooping an undefeated Lamont Peterson? Kendall Holt? Junior Witter?
He has a point Bigface. Alexander was what 20 or 21 and 0 when he fought Bradley. Peterson was 27-0. Holt was coming off a succesful title defense and the fight before that he actually won the title. And Witter was coming off of what 2 or 3 defenses? I can't remember. But anyway, it's not like he's fighting cab drivers and bums showing up for a check.
 
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Manny Pacquiao vs. the Vegan



Pretty soon the boxer will pass on the burger. He will deny the cheese. He will skip the sushi that he adores, and he will not—as Sylvester Stallone did so memorably and nauseatingly in "Rocky"—break five eggs into a glass, and slurp them down raw.

Instead, the boxer will embrace the quinoa. He will thrill to the avocado and befriend the almond. He will enjoy the spinach, the tofu, and the $7.95 organic smoothie that bears his not-yet-household name.

And on June 9 in Las Vegas, after months of strict vegan training, the undefeated boxer Timothy Bradley Jr. hopes to have the fight of his life—and defeat the world-renowned champion Manny Pacquiao.

"Dude, I swear, it's the most unbelievable feeling ever," Bradley said. It was Thursday morning in New York City, and Bradley, 28, was riding to a news conference in a slick SUV, praising the diet he believes gives him a pronounced advantage in the ring.

"The reason I love it so much is that I feel connected to the world," Bradley said. He was wearing a charcoal gray suit jacket, a purple dress shirt, and jeans. "My thoughts are clearer, crisp. I am sharp. Everything is working perfectly—I feel clean. It's a weird feeling, man. It's just a weird feeling."

Bradley, who lives and trains in Palm Springs, Calif., first experimented with a vegan diet in 2008, when he was readying for a title fight in London, England. An adviser suggested that a vegan regimen would give him more energy and endurance. Bradley was given a list of foods to consider.

By his own description a "meat and potatoes guy," Bradley was staggered to feel an almost-immediate surge in preparation and competition. "I was able to outwork a lot of my opponents," he said.

"He really liked it," said Bradley's trainer, Joel Diaz. "His body felt different."

Since then, Bradley—nicknamed "Desert Storm"—has stuck by the vegan diet as he became junior welterweight champion and built an unblemished record of 28-0. For three months leading up to a bout, he will eat vegan, with no exceptions. This is what he intends for his MGM Grand showdown with Pacquiao on the second Saturday in June.

"I'll still be a vegan even after the weigh-in," Bradley said.

Bradley's taste is well-known in vegan circles in Palm Springs, the city where he first began to box at age 10. Tydel Wilson, a manager at the Palm Greens Cafe, said the fighter will visit the restaurant twice a day during his peak training periods. Palm Greens went so far as to create a smoothie called the "Bradley's Ultra Green" which includes spinach, kale, mint, ginger, probiotic, bananas, aloe vera, apple juice and Spirulina.

"He's such a great patron," Wilson said. "He knows most of the people here."

Bradley is hardly the first athlete to find success with vegan training. Over the years the diet has found a place in the conditioning routines of top-tier players like NFL tight end Tony Gonzalez. Cyclist David Zabriskie raced the Tour de France as a near-vegan, supplementing with small amounts of fish. Not long ago the ex-boxing champion Mike Tyson credited a vegan diet with shedding weight and improving his well-being.

But Bradley is not a retired boxer making "Hangover" movies, like Tyson. He's an elite up-and-comer who will become the latest to try and dethrone Pacquiao, the wildly popular champion and Congressman from the Philippines.

Boxing fans had hoped this spring would finally deliver a fight between Pacquiao and his dream rival Floyd Mayweather Jr. But when that pairing unravelled again, Bradley got his shot.

"It's new blood going against old blood," Bradley said. "I'm in my prime, man."

Bradley's six-month-old daughter, Jada, yelped happily in the back seat, watched over by Bradley's wife, Monica. As he prepares for the biggest fight of his career, Bradley still lives in that unpretentious place between confidence and celebrity. While the globally famous Pacquiao travels in a mega-orbit of associates and advisers and occasionally a personal composer, Bradley's entourage is light—just a few associates, including his father, Tim Sr. On the occasion he is recognized, he never refuses an autograph.

"I've met a couple celebrities that I admired and they completely destroyed me," Bradley explained. "They were rude and didn't want to sign an autograph or take a picture. I thought if I ever made anything out of my life, I would never turn down a fan, ever. I know how that feels."

He can still travel without much interruption. The night before, as Pacquiao navigated a frantic schedule that included a scheduled meeting with NBA sensation Jeremy Lin (the summit was called off after an exhausted Pacquiao was sent to bed), Bradley and Monica went to a peaceful dinner at the Olive Garden in Times Square. Bradley joked that dinners like these were one reason he couldn't go vegan for 12 months of the year.

"I don't want to lose my wife!" he said.

"I eat more vegetables than he does," Monica protested.

"That's true," Bradley said. "I don't think I can go [vegan] year round. But for fights, I have to do it."

The SUV pulled up to an event space on Manhattan's West Side. Bradley jumped out and unhitched the trunk to remove his daughter's baby stroller. While a line of boxing fans watched, Manny Pacquiao's next opponent spent a few seconds wrestling with the stroller before it snapped open, ready to roll. Maybe it wasn't the flashiest entrance, but the vegan contender had arrived.
 
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He has a point Bigface. Alexander was what 20 or 21 and 0 when he fought Bradley. Peterson was 27-0. Holt was coming off a succesful title defense and the fight before that he actually won the title. And Witter was coming off of what 2 or 3 defenses? I can't remember. But anyway, it's not like he's fighting cab drivers and bums showing up for a check.
How does 206 have point when I was one of the ONLY Bradley fans in the boxing threads. I'm the one that said Bradley was the best 140lber two years ago. 206 was the one hyping up Khan and calling Bradley a ducker. Bradley is the best fighter Manny has fought since Cotto. 206 is just using my year old post of information about Bradley to hype up Bradley now. It's just funny seeing all the Manny fans in love with Bradley now, yet I was the only one calling Bradley the best 140lber long before the Manny fight. The same people that called Bradley a ducker are now the same people on Bradley's bandwagon hyping him up because of the Manny fight. I have been a Bradley fan from the since the Holt fight. Maybe later I'll look for some old post to prove my point about the double standards around it's funny to see all the new Bradley fans.
 
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This may sound weird but you don't have to be a fan of someone to acknowledge their in ring talent. People don't have to be rabid Bradley fans to have acknowledged that he was the best fighter at the weight, and you weren't the only one on here doing that. I know people that were waiting for Bradley to make a splash when he was scheduled to fight Castillo and Castillo didn't make weight/pulled out of the fight last minute and were pissed that Castillo couldn't come in and take his beating, it doesn't make them anymore of an authority of Bradley's talent than anyone else who's followed his career but isn't necessarily a fan of his.
 

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How does 206 have point when I was one of the ONLY Bradley fans in the boxing threads. I'm the one that said Bradley was the best 140lber two years ago. 206 was the one hyping up Khan and calling Bradley a ducker. Bradley is the best fighter Manny has fought since Cotto. 206 is just using my year old post of information about Bradley to hype up Bradley now. It's just funny seeing all the Manny fans in love with Bradley now, yet I was the only one calling Bradley the best 140lber long before the Manny fight. The same people that called Bradley a ducker are now the same people on Bradley's bandwagon hyping him up because of the Manny fight. I have been a Bradley fan from the since the Holt fight. Maybe later I'll look for some old post to prove my point about the double standards around it's funny to see all the new Bradley fans.
Because in the post 206 was replying to you were making it seem as if Bradley doesn't have any solid victories under his belt and he does.
 
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1st off please show me where I stated Bradley didn't have any good wins? Do you not get it when you guys was bad mouthing Bradley I was the one calling him the best 140lber. How can someone response to me by just stating the same things I already say a year ago defensing Bradley's resume against 206 and the rest of Khan bagonwagoners calling him a ducker. What I stated is that coming into this fight Bradley is = to Ricky Hatton coming into his fight with the other guy. I just find it funny how now that Bradley is fighting Manny, he has all these new fans hyping him up. I was the only one a year ago defending his resume as the best 140lber, while others was calling him a ducker. It's just funny seeing a Bradley cheering section in the Boxing threads now.
 
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This may sound weird but you don't have to be a fan of someone to acknowledge their in ring talent. People don't have to be rabid Bradley fans to have acknowledged that he was the best fighter at the weight, and you weren't the only one on here doing that. I know people that were waiting for Bradley to make a splash when he was scheduled to fight Castillo and Castillo didn't make weight/pulled out of the fight last minute and were pissed that Castillo couldn't come in and take his beating, it doesn't make them anymore of an authority of Bradley's talent than anyone else who's followed his career but isn't necessarily a fan of his.
No my friend it's called being a Hypocrite and showing your double standards. I was the only guy calling Bradley the number 1 140lber and defending his resume against 206. Fast forward to Bradley signing up to fight Manny and now people want to talk about how great Bradley is. and how he's the best 140lber. Where was all these Bradley fans at years ago??? Bradley went from a ducker to the best 140lber all because he's fighting Manny = Double Standards
 
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No my friend it's called being a Hypocrite and showing your double standards. I was the only guy calling Bradley the number 1 140lber and defending his resume against 206. Fast forward to Bradley signing up to fight Manny and now people want to talk about how great Bradley is. and how he's the best 140lber. Where was all these Bradley fans at years ago??? Bradley went from a ducker to the best 140lber all because he's fighting Manny = Double Standards
Because the search function here is retarded this is a post of mine on another website on 05/19/2010

"01. Timothy Bradley
02. Devon Alexander
03. Amir Khan
04. Marcos Maidana
05. Juan Urango

The only reason I ranked down to 5 it to show why I have Alexander at #2. Even though it is difficult with Khans wins over Kotelnik & Malignaggi. It seems like most of them are more than willing to step into the ring with each other so hopefully we get to see a mix and match of any of these guys."

I even had to argue it with someone who was calling me crazy for having Alexander of Khan. You weren't the only guy saying Bradley was #1 in the division so stop pretending like Manny signing to fight is the only reason people think highly of him.
 
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Here is me and 206 going at it about Bradley's resume. In 2012 Holt was a good win. lol Double Standards..

Bigface
LOL. Is it pointless talking to me or is it the fact that I always point out your double standards? Judah was made to order for Khan. Good win for Khan non the less. Without Bradley fighting for contract reasons, Khan is the #1 140lber. Bradley's resume at 140lb is clearly better then Khan's. Kendall Holt is better then anyone Khan has fought. Bradley needs to get his contract right, so he can get back to fighting. Khan vs Bradley to see who's the best at 140lb.

206
I think bradley's resume is only slightly better than khan's, but since he turned down the fight and is inactive etc I have Khan #1.

Kendall Holt is incredibly inconsistent btw. When he's on top of his game he can be a beast, other times he has been mediocre. I think he had some problems for a couple years that may effected him, I don't really remember. He looked great recently though. I would rate Maidana & probably even Kotelnyk over Holt until Holt can prove otherwise.


I can go on showing the double standards if you will like. lol
 

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1st off please show me where I stated Bradley didn't have any good wins? Do you not get it when you guys was bad mouthing Bradley I was the one calling him the best 140lber. How can someone response to me by just stating the same things I already say a year ago defensing Bradley's resume against 206 and the rest of Khan bagonwagoners calling him a ducker. What I stated is that coming into this fight Bradley is = to Ricky Hatton coming into his fight with the other guy. I just find it funny how now that Bradley is fighting Manny, he has all these new fans hyping him up. I was the only one a year ago defending his resume as the best 140lber, while others was calling him a ducker. It's just funny seeing a Bradley cheering section in the Boxing threads now.
Bigface, here are your words:

Until Bradley proves that he can beat the top 1 or 2 P4P fighter, something that Ricky couldn't do, then he's on the same level as Ricky. In my eyes Bradley = Hatton coming into the fight. Bradley beating a cab driver that no one heard of at 147lb doesn't prove anything to me.

What we're saying is that Bradley hasn't been beating cab drivers. What we're saying is that he has beaten champions and people coming off wins. BTW, I wasn't bad mouthing Bradley. Do I think he should have had a match with Khan? Yes, but I don't think I've ever said anything bad about the guy.
 
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Here is me and 206 going at it about Bradley's resume. In 2012 Holt was a good win. lol Double Standards..

Bigface
LOL. Is it pointless talking to me or is it the fact that I always point out your double standards? Judah was made to order for Khan. Good win for Khan non the less. Without Bradley fighting for contract reasons, Khan is the #1 140lber. Bradley's resume at 140lb is clearly better then Khan's. Kendall Holt is better then anyone Khan has fought. Bradley needs to get his contract right, so he can get back to fighting. Khan vs Bradley to see who's the best at 140lb.

206
I think bradley's resume is only slightly better than khan's, but since he turned down the fight and is inactive etc I have Khan #1.

Kendall Holt is incredibly inconsistent btw. When he's on top of his game he can be a beast, other times he has been mediocre. I think he had some problems for a couple years that may effected him, I don't really remember. He looked great recently though. I would rate Maidana & probably even Kotelnyk over Holt until Holt can prove otherwise.


I can go on showing the double standards if you will like. lol
I don't care about anything 206 said. I'm saying you weren't the only one who had Bradley as the #1 at 140. The overwhelming majority of the country did.
 
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Bigface, here are your words:

Until Bradley proves that he can beat the top 1 or 2 P4P fighter, something that Ricky couldn't do, then he's on the same level as Ricky. In my eyes Bradley = Hatton coming into the fight. Bradley beating a cab driver that no one heard of at 147lb doesn't prove anything to me.

What we're saying is that Bradley hasn't been beating cab drivers. What we're saying is that he has beaten champions and people coming off wins. BTW, I wasn't bad mouthing Bradley. Do I think he should have had a match with Khan? Yes, but I don't think I've ever said anything bad about the guy.
Here what you said about Bradley Heresy 7/31/11.

I'd rank Khan higher and he does have a problem with headbutts.

You still think Khan is better?? lol

FYI, Bradley did fight a cab driver at 147lb, so I don't see your point in posting that.
 
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I don't care about anything 206 said. I'm saying you weren't the only one who had Bradley as the #1 at 140. The overwhelming majority of the country did.
We're not talking about the majority of the country, we're talking about the double standard Hypocrites in the Siccness boxing threads. So what's your point????