Pacquiao vs Marquez III Nov 12th [official]
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P = Pacquio and M = Marquez
6 to 6 for the draw.
Both men had flaws in their game but before we even go into how the flaws contributed to the wrong descision, you have to remember that styles make fights. Now look at the two styles. One guy is constantly coming forward and throwing while the other guy is waiting and moving to the side and countering or waiting and moving backwards while trying to counter. When refs see this, especially in the later rounds, they don't think the person counterpunching and fighting at his pace is the aggressor.
Marquez made Pac fight his fight but he wasn't able to dismantle Manny as he should have. With all the body punching and all the countering he did, he should have knocked Pac out. However, in saying that, I'm not taking anthing away from him because he fought a very defensive fight, controlled the pace for the majority and forced Manny to fight his fight.
Concerning Manny, constantly coming forward makes you a target. Constantly going for the head, instead of the body, makes you a target as well and shows a lack of discipline or a flaw in your fight plan. At times he cut the ring off well, but then Marquez would move to avoid the left, Manny would throw a punch, and Marquez would counter. What I did like about Manny however was the fact that he didn't try to coast in and started to step up int he later rounds and this is what I think swayed the fight.
It was a draw to me, I can see why people say Marquez won and I can see why they say Manny won. But, what Manny needs to do is FIRE Arum. Fire that no good sonofabitch, go to the table, sign the contract, take the test and fight Floyd. That, "Talk to my promoter" and "Talk to Arum my promoter" bullshit is old. Manny, Arum has raped you, he owes Floyd millions of dollars (according to Floyd) so if you REALLY want to fight Floyd, and rectify the fact that your net worth is low (based on how much you generated) fire the guy and do what needs to be done. If not, you'll fight Marquez 23 more times with janky ass descisions in each and every one of them.
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P = Pacquio and M = Marquez
6 to 6 for the draw.
Both men had flaws in their game but before we even go into how the flaws contributed to the wrong descision, you have to remember that styles make fights. Now look at the two styles. One guy is constantly coming forward and throwing while the other guy is waiting and moving to the side and countering or waiting and moving backwards while trying to counter. When refs see this, especially in the later rounds, they don't think the person counterpunching and fighting at his pace is the aggressor.
Marquez made Pac fight his fight but he wasn't able to dismantle Manny as he should have. With all the body punching and all the countering he did, he should have knocked Pac out. However, in saying that, I'm not taking anthing away from him because he fought a very defensive fight, controlled the pace for the majority and forced Manny to fight his fight.
Concerning Manny, constantly coming forward makes you a target. Constantly going for the head, instead of the body, makes you a target as well and shows a lack of discipline or a flaw in your fight plan. At times he cut the ring off well, but then Marquez would move to avoid the left, Manny would throw a punch, and Marquez would counter. What I did like about Manny however was the fact that he didn't try to coast in and started to step up int he later rounds and this is what I think swayed the fight.
It was a draw to me, I can see why people say Marquez won and I can see why they say Manny won. But, what Manny needs to do is FIRE Arum. Fire that no good sonofabitch, go to the table, sign the contract, take the test and fight Floyd. That, "Talk to my promoter" and "Talk to Arum my promoter" bullshit is old. Manny, Arum has raped you, he owes Floyd millions of dollars (according to Floyd) so if you REALLY want to fight Floyd, and rectify the fact that your net worth is low (based on how much you generated) fire the guy and do what needs to be done. If not, you'll fight Marquez 23 more times with janky ass descisions in each and every one of them.
To preface, I was out last night so i didnt get to catch the fight, just about to start watching now. But anyway, i am no boxer, but i have always heard going for the body opens you up much more to counter punches than going to the head, which seems logical to me. Why does manny going for the head instead of the body make him more of a target than going for the body instead of the head?
When you're throwing body blows you typically want to do it inside, when you're tied up or while you're crouched/low. That makes you less of a target. While going for the head, you're upright and usually your chin isn't tucked. It's easy to get hit or countered this way. With body blows, you're usually using them in combinations but when you're head hunting you're looking for that one big shot (that may never come.) Over time, you keep throwing and missing and its going to take away from your stamina and its going to take some snap off your punches. Guess what happens when you gas out? You throw a body blow and the guy is gonna try to defend, once he does that it opens up for you to go upstairs. So think about it this: You throw a right to someones dome what part of you is exposed?
Watch the Mayweather vs Ndou fight.
Watch the Mayweather vs Ndou fight.
Man some of yall are hilarious for some supposed "boxing fans". Ever heard of style match ups? They exist and just because Marquez is a bad match up for Manny doesn't mean Floyd automatically wins their fight if it happens. They(Marquez and Floyd) have completely different counter striking styles. With that said I did think Marquez did enough to win, BUT it was closer than a lot of people think.
And god damnit make Manny vs Floyd happen. Nobody outside the hardcore boxing community gives a shit about a re-match especially with how sour this fight has left A LOT of casual PPV buyers.
ps. It's fucking INSANE how good Manny is at creating angles. Not only that, but he's amazing at cutting the angle and being able to deliver shots with power. His super fast foot work, combined with the ability to move his entire body and deliver a power shot without completely sitting on the punch is fucking ridiculous.
And god damnit make Manny vs Floyd happen. Nobody outside the hardcore boxing community gives a shit about a re-match especially with how sour this fight has left A LOT of casual PPV buyers.
ps. It's fucking INSANE how good Manny is at creating angles. Not only that, but he's amazing at cutting the angle and being able to deliver shots with power. His super fast foot work, combined with the ability to move his entire body and deliver a power shot without completely sitting on the punch is fucking ridiculous.
I dont think it would make much of a difference if floyd makes weight or not this is a matter of styles. The reason Marquez can do so good against pac is cuz he can play the role of the counter puncher he can wait for pac to attack and counter him. Against floyd hes forced to play the role of the aggressor and floyd the counter puncher and thats not Marquez' game.
All the Manny fans thought he would be way to much for Marquez at this point. He just got schooled by a 38 year old and a lot of the die hards cant even admit that. Mayweather will pick apart Manny so badly. Yall can make all the excuses in the world for the guy dude just isn't ready to fight a fighter like Floyd
One of the most overused, untrue, and completely retarded sayings of people that don't watch much boxing. I've seen plenty of champs lose their titles on razor thin decisions and the saying is only used for people to not have to explain why they think another guy and people that promote a fighter to explain an overall bad decision.
Since I didn't say it before, I scored the fight for Marquez. I thought he landed better punches throughout the fight and for the most part Marquez did what he wanted to do and was in the position he wanted to be in, I would've felt better about it had Marquez thrown a little more. That being said there's a monstrous difference between a close fight and a robbery. People like to throw the word robbery around like it's alright, I've seen fights that a fighter clearly lost where people were giving him round after round because he was a massive underdog and did much better than expected.
I'll rewatch the fight again because I haven't had a chance to yet but there were a few rounds that I gave to Marquez that seemed to be extremely close and the same goes the other way. Some rounds that I gave to Pacquiao that I thought could easily have gone to Marquez. I don't think anyone is disagreeing with the people that scored the fight for Marquez it's saying there's absolutely no way that Pacquiao could have won that fight and that it was a blatant robbery.
Since I didn't say it before, I scored the fight for Marquez. I thought he landed better punches throughout the fight and for the most part Marquez did what he wanted to do and was in the position he wanted to be in, I would've felt better about it had Marquez thrown a little more. That being said there's a monstrous difference between a close fight and a robbery. People like to throw the word robbery around like it's alright, I've seen fights that a fighter clearly lost where people were giving him round after round because he was a massive underdog and did much better than expected.
I'll rewatch the fight again because I haven't had a chance to yet but there were a few rounds that I gave to Marquez that seemed to be extremely close and the same goes the other way. Some rounds that I gave to Pacquiao that I thought could easily have gone to Marquez. I don't think anyone is disagreeing with the people that scored the fight for Marquez it's saying there's absolutely no way that Pacquiao could have won that fight and that it was a blatant robbery.