Fans are pretty bias towards their fighters and that is clear from alot of the post in here. Everybody tries to make their points as to why their fighter is better. I really hope yall stick to your guns with your opinions because if this fight is made, I can't wait to hear all the excuses people will come up with when their fighter loses. Both of these fighters are gonna come in with the right amount of motivation to win, but somebody is gonna lose and I got a feelin it won't be my fighter.
Pacquiao is an Easy Fight For Mayweather, Says Ellerbe
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I'm just sayin though, if he didn't fight him then the critics would have said "he ducked JMM" now that he fights him and beats him up they say "the highest JMM ever fought in his career was 135".
Floyd wanted to fight Mosely when Mosely was knocking Vargas out but Mosely said that Floyd should go fight Margarito and then said, he needed a vacation and he needed to get his tooth fixed. Now all of a sudden Floyd is ducking Mosely.
Floyd wanted to fight Mosely when Mosely was knocking Vargas out but Mosely said that Floyd should go fight Margarito and then said, he needed a vacation and he needed to get his tooth fixed. Now all of a sudden Floyd is ducking Mosely.
tony, NO ONE was calling for a JMM vs Mayweather fight. Why? Because mayweather was TWO divisions above him! So no, no one would have said Floyd ducked JMM! People wanted Floyd to fight one of the top welterweights, in fact people have wanted that for the past 4-5 years. And floyd hasn't.
And for the record I'm not a Floyd hater. I have NEVER gone against Mayweather in a fight, I've always been a fan. But I'm a realist at the same time and have no problems criticizing what I believe are bad career decisions on his part. You want to be considered the best you have to fight the best and it's been a very long time since mayweather fought the best.
All of that can change though if he fights Pacquiao then shane mosley and/or paul williams. We'll see though, for now all I care about is Pac vs Floyd happening next.
And for the record I'm not a Floyd hater. I have NEVER gone against Mayweather in a fight, I've always been a fan. But I'm a realist at the same time and have no problems criticizing what I believe are bad career decisions on his part. You want to be considered the best you have to fight the best and it's been a very long time since mayweather fought the best.
All of that can change though if he fights Pacquiao then shane mosley and/or paul williams. We'll see though, for now all I care about is Pac vs Floyd happening next.
Whats crazy is because Pac beat Cotto he is being annointed the best Welterweight. Again the bias is grossly disproportinate when it comes to Pacman. Pacs a great fighter, but the best welterweight??? Before you put that in his lap Beat Floyd, Mosely or Williams before you get that crown bruh. Shit beat Kermit Cintron.
And don't give me that shit about whose too big to be fighting who. If Cotto at 5'6" can get in the ring with a 6' Margarito then so can Pac if he now believes he's a welterweight.
And don't give me that shit about whose too big to be fighting who. If Cotto at 5'6" can get in the ring with a 6' Margarito then so can Pac if he now believes he's a welterweight.
Williams hasn't fought at welterweight in a couple years and isn't even ranked as a result.
The reason Pacquiao is rated #1 at welterweight is because he beat the #1 welterweight (cotto). The rankings prior to the pac fight were:
1). Cotto
2). Mosley
3). Floyd
So since Pacquiao beat the #1 guy and took his belt, he rightfully so takes his place in the rankings.
In addition Pacquiao was the champion at 140. Anytime a champion from a weight class move up a division they automatically become the #1 challenger or mandatory to the #1 guy (which again was cotto).
You could make a case for Shane, but the problem there is he lost to Cotto. The second problem is that Andre Berto is going to kick shanes ass in Jan.
The reason Pacquiao is rated #1 at welterweight is because he beat the #1 welterweight (cotto). The rankings prior to the pac fight were:
1). Cotto
2). Mosley
3). Floyd
So since Pacquiao beat the #1 guy and took his belt, he rightfully so takes his place in the rankings.
In addition Pacquiao was the champion at 140. Anytime a champion from a weight class move up a division they automatically become the #1 challenger or mandatory to the #1 guy (which again was cotto).
You could make a case for Shane, but the problem there is he lost to Cotto. The second problem is that Andre Berto is going to kick shanes ass in Jan.
206 stop goin off the numbers and start going off the caliber of the fighter. You clearly know that Cotto was not (and never has been) the number 1 fighter no matter what ABC belt he had. You know it. Now you want to follow the dotted lines that leads to Cotto? Every win he got against a top flight opponent has been heavily disputed. To date, Shane is better than Cotto, Clottey is better, Williams (who just recently called out Pac, Shane and Floyd at 147), Cintron is better (his only losses were to Margarito and we know he has been using loaded gloves). Fight one of the real top fighters regardless of where they are ranked or what belt they hold. True art aint based on how much it cost, but the true integrity of the art, so calling Cotto the best welterweight regardless of what his ranking and belt is clearly false and represents the fraud that has been going on in boxing for years
I'm going by the Ring Mag, not some ABC rankings.
Further, he beat shane mosley. Mosley beat Margarito so there was a triangle there, like I said you could make the case for either cotto or shane, but cotto did hold a victory over shane, which is the reason why the ring had cotto #1. Further, cotto's welterweight resume has been outstanding (victories over shane, clottey, judah, quintana).
You just screwed yourself by calling Cintron better. lmao you better stop with that shit man.
And Paul Williams calling out Pac is a joke - the man is 6'3 and currently fights at 160 & 154 (where he belongs) and even wanted to fight Bernard Hopkins at 170 not that long ago.
Further, he beat shane mosley. Mosley beat Margarito so there was a triangle there, like I said you could make the case for either cotto or shane, but cotto did hold a victory over shane, which is the reason why the ring had cotto #1. Further, cotto's welterweight resume has been outstanding (victories over shane, clottey, judah, quintana).
You just screwed yourself by calling Cintron better. lmao you better stop with that shit man.
And Paul Williams calling out Pac is a joke - the man is 6'3 and currently fights at 160 & 154 (where he belongs) and even wanted to fight Bernard Hopkins at 170 not that long ago.
What??? Cintron will serve Lil Pac man in my opinion, so will Paul Williams, and Mosely. Take it how you want to take it bruh
And Mosley won that fight no matter the outcome so Cotto never deserved his ranking. Clottey also won that fight no matter what the outcome was. He beat Judah after hittin him with low blows on his way to getting KO'd. I'll give him that one. I respect Ring magazine, but Cotto is clearly who we thought he was. A good fighter that was very overrated.
And Mosley won that fight no matter the outcome so Cotto never deserved his ranking. Clottey also won that fight no matter what the outcome was. He beat Judah after hittin him with low blows on his way to getting KO'd. I'll give him that one. I respect Ring magazine, but Cotto is clearly who we thought he was. A good fighter that was very overrated.
Uhhh, that might be your opinion I watched that fight 3 times and had Cotto winning each time. Sure it was close, but IMO Cotto won (and the majority of people think that too). The fact that the fight was close and the fact you think so highly of shane should speak volumes for cotto. Stop trying to downplay cotto's talent - clearly he's a good fighter.
LMAO, ok man. See above.
excuses, excuses, excuses! Cotto fucked Judah up! That was a typical Judah fight - starts off good then gets destroyed. See pretty much every big fight judah was ever in (including mayweather).
For the record The Ring welterweight Champion is vacant. I don't know how you can dispute his #1 ranking since he had wins over the best welterweights in the sport. Even if you think Cotto lost one or two of those fights, you cannot go against the rules and the ring mag goes by the rules (they cant enforce opinion and say, "well we felt so and so lost this fight so we will not rank him or give him our belt" etc.
The simple fact is cotto fought the best and won every fight, which exception to Margarito (and we all know margs had loaded gloves).
LMAO, ok man. See above.
excuses, excuses, excuses! Cotto fucked Judah up! That was a typical Judah fight - starts off good then gets destroyed. See pretty much every big fight judah was ever in (including mayweather).
For the record The Ring welterweight Champion is vacant. I don't know how you can dispute his #1 ranking since he had wins over the best welterweights in the sport. Even if you think Cotto lost one or two of those fights, you cannot go against the rules and the ring mag goes by the rules (they cant enforce opinion and say, "well we felt so and so lost this fight so we will not rank him or give him our belt" etc.
The simple fact is cotto fought the best and won every fight, which exception to Margarito (and we all know margs had loaded gloves).
You are smoking crack with the cintron statement. cintron is hot garbage!!! You mentioned he only lost twice two Margarito, uh actually he got served by Sergio Martinez and even knocked out, but some how escaped with a draw. Further he went life & death with some bum named Jesse Feliciano and nearly gassed out against overrated prospect Alfredo Angulo. So I would bet the bank that Pacquiao would whoop Cintron somethin vicsious, as Cotto is a 10X better fighter than Kermit ever was.
Sure, Paul Williams would probably beat Pacquiao but like I said the man is 6'3 and currently fights at 160 & 154. That's not even close to being a fair fight.
And say what you will about shane but he better not be looking past andre berto, who I'm going on record right now will beat shane.
Sure, Paul Williams would probably beat Pacquiao but like I said the man is 6'3 and currently fights at 160 & 154. That's not even close to being a fair fight.
And say what you will about shane but he better not be looking past andre berto, who I'm going on record right now will beat shane.
The majority of Cotto fans don't even think he won. Keep it real People get robbed all the time, and in this case people in high places made sure Cotto got wins in close fights. I don't follow Ring that close. I actually follow the fighters a lil closer and my eyes don't lie. You can take token wins for what they are, but me, I'm gonna call it how I see it like alot of real true boxing fans do. We don't necessarily go by what others say. Cotto was a overrated fighter who got exposed the higher the stakes got. Pac looks to fall in line to get the same dose of being exposed. If he proves me wrong, I'll be humble in my congrats to him, but stop trying to spray colgone on shit and calling it something that it's not.