OR you could have used a real person instead of a fictional character. Somebody like I don't know Ray Lewis or someshit....
If you are having that difficult of a time because I picked a fictional character, forget about it. Again I picked such a person because I felt the majority of people here could relate to who I was referring to. I did not pick a person such as Ray Lewis, or any other athlete for that matter, because I have not seen them interact with people in a normal setting enough to formulate an opinion on their Alpha status.
Ray Lewis looks pretty intimidating on the field, but for all I know he could be getting punked by his friends as soon as he gets home. I don't know, so I didn't pick someone like him.
Again, who I choose as an example is fairly irrelevant to the overall discussion.
Not as I see it, I was simply saying you shouldn't believe everything you see on TV. Like maybe motherfuckers who look like James Gandolfini dont get bomb pussy on a regular basis off the strength of their "swagger" Unless the bitch is a hoe or whatever.
As for reverse logic "because sick people take medicine If I don't take medicine I won't be sick" Logic goes I actually think you are the guilty party in that respect. Alpha male had given physique in the past so given physique endows the title of Alpha.
I still see you using that logic. As far as I can tell, you are arguing that Bill Gates is an Alpha male because of his relative economic status and power in the business world. Your logic is, because of his status and economic resources he is Alpha, and based on that logic, anyone who is successful must therefore be an Alpha male. However, just being successful DOES NOT make you an Alpha. Again just because all circles are shapes, not all shapes are circles. Alphas are successful, not all successful people are Alpha.
I think the problem with our whole argument is that somehow you have the notion that being an Alpha is all dependent on an individual’s size. It is not. When two boxers square up to fight, it is often obvious to everyone watching which one is dominant and confident and which one is submissive and scared. The relative size of the boxers is not a direct indicator of which person wall fall to which position.
I have had the opportunity to meet Mr Gates on two separate occasions, and I can vehemently tell you, he is very far from being an Alpha male. He commands no authority/dominance in normal interactions with fellow same sex members of his species.
I don't agree Alpha male is a position in a group (the most powerful position) & if not Alpha what does being in the most powerful position in the group make you? The personality characteristics to which you are referring are actually a result of lack of intelligence about how to inhabit the Alpha position. They are the result of egotism and disregard for harmony of the group and have come to be misinterpreted as necessary by alot of females when they are merely a symptom of weakness.
You are still applying modern societal standards to something that remains very primal. The most powerful person in any given company in no way is the equally the Alpha male. What if the most powerful person was a female? Is she going to be the Alpha male?? Again, modern status and titles mean nothing about who is more Alpha than whom. Put 10 guys in a room and before they even know what is happening, they subconsciously create a pecking order and determine where they fit in. This is all done without any type of words exchanged and all based on body language and submissive/dominant gestures.
I understand all of that perfectly well. What you fail to realize is that due to the fact that the traits that are more likely to produce the Alpha have changed females who preferentially mate with the OLD standard will have the inferior offspring.
How did you determine the traits have changed? . An Alpha male today was an Alpha male yesterday was an Alpha male when we were building pyramids. Alphas males are confident, charismatic, and intelligent. They become successful because of those traits.
Even if that was true that female preference has changed (which it has not) you are talking about a change that has been in occurring for the past few thousand years at best....nowhere near enough time to produce any type of change in our evolutionary psychology which has been developing over millions of years.
I would say that some women's definition of Alpha has changed and that their offspring will tend to be better off for it.
Woman's definition of an Alpha has not changed. For some reason you think that size and intelligence are inversely correlated. Saying that all big guys must be dumb is like saying all smart people must be small. Being large in stature does not preclude you from being intelligent in any way.
Furthermore, size is one of the least important characteristic determinations of an Alpha male. You can be 5'9 and 170 pounds, and still have social dominance over someone who has 6 inches and 60 pounds on you. Being an Alpha is determined by how you interact with same sex members of your species. If you are able to socially dominate someone, it doesn't matter if they are bigger or smaller than you in any way.
I am inclined to believe that it would depend on what group of women we were talking about. If we were taking a survey outside of a planned parenthood center I think ol'Tony might have the advantage, but lets say we survey the top 100 most successful women in the united states from a business stand point what do you think they would say?
I don't think it matters where we were asking the women. We aren't asking them who they find more attractive, who they would rather have father their children, who they think is more intelligent.....We are asking them if the two individuals were placed together in a room, which one would emerge the dominate male (alpha) and which one would emerge the submissive male?
Alot more, I think she wants a Meat Head which is fine but in my opinion that DNA won't provide her offspring with an advantage................
Read her next post. She doesn't want a meat head wants an Alpha male. Meat heads are not Alpha males, they don't posses enough intelligence. In order to control other same sex member of a species, an Alpha must be intelligent. In Gorillas, the Alpha male of the group is not always the largest in size, and he is often able to dissuade competition without using physical force simply because the animals have already established a pecking order with one another.
Think about dogs; is the dominant dog always the largest? No. I have some funny shit where a 35 pound poodle is bossing around another dog 3 times its size.
! I was picking someone that we could all relate to for the sake of the discussion. I could have thrown out someone I know personally, but that wouldn't do anyone else reading this any good.
