OBAMA AND THE DEMS...WHAT DO YOU THINK?

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Sydal

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I think he was referring to what happened when we got involved in the middle east when Iraq and Iran were at war and we gave Iraq shit.
Yea, we gave Iraq shit...then we gave Bin Laden shit (training and weapons). That's EXACTLY what I was referring to. I'm not saying we're going to give Cuba shit, but so far we haven't had much luck when we put trust in people that hate us.
 
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Also Obama is giving money to the Wrong companies.He is talking about how alternative energy is going to bring new jobs and revenue to country but he is giving bailouts to car companies that have supressed alternative energy sources for the last 10 YEARS!!

Giving money to Tesla motors would be hella smarter because their company is deep in their alternative energy car projects. Their cars cost about $50,000 but with government subsidies and investors, they would be alot cheaper
 

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Right on folks, I knew exactly what he was referring to, but my question still stands in regards to the original statement.

Easing the US stance on Cuba doesn't mean the US is just going to start "trusting" Cuba and supplying it with training and weapons.

When you say shit like that it comes off very "alarming" which is a common tactic by certain media outlets.
 
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Also Obama is giving money to the Wrong companies.He is talking about how alternative energy is going to bring new jobs and revenue to country but he is giving bailouts to car companies that have supressed alternative energy sources for the last 10 YEARS!!

Giving money to Tesla motors would be hella smarter because their company is deep in their alternative energy car projects. Their cars cost about $50,000 but with government subsidies and investors, they would be alot cheaper
 

Sydal

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Oh it definitely was.... and all of a sudden now you know someone that works on those missiles, and they're highly successful now... okay so since they're highly successful they don't need as much r&d money, they can fine tune what they have... right? oh well there goes your argument.
I have known someone, I just didn't know exactly what he did. Now I know, because I asked him a few months ago. Don't recall seeing those stories on the news a few years ago when people were seeing shit blowing up in the sky over San Diego? That was them testing the missile defense system.
 
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I have known someone, I just didn't know exactly what he did. Now I know, because I asked him a few months ago. Don't recall seeing those stories on the news a few years ago when people were seeing shit blowing up in the sky over San Diego? That was them testing the missile defense system.

you prop'd me then un-prop'd me... uncool man, uncool.
 

Sydal

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Right on folks, but my question still stands in regards to the original statement.

Easing the US stance on Cuba doesn't mean the US is just going to start "trusting" Cuba and start supplying it with training and weapons.
I agree with you. But if that's what he's going to do, he has to watch his ass. We can't just go in and make friends with these countries and think everything is great. I'm not saying he's going to train them and give them weapons, but I am saying that it's not hard to believe that if we smile with them, they might get at us later when we're "comfortable".
 
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Also Obama is giving money to the Wrong companies.He is talking about how alternative energy is going to bring new jobs and revenue to country but he is giving bailouts to car companies that have supressed alternative energy sources for the last 10 YEARS!!

Giving money to Tesla motors would be hella smarter because their company is deep in their alternative energy car projects. Their cars cost about $50,000 but with government subsidies and investors, they would be alot cheaper

This is a really good point, I don't know the details but I completely agree with the fact that the money would of been better off going to one of these companies doing research on alternative energy and cleaner air vehicles.
 
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Oh it definitely was.... and all of a sudden now you know someone that works on those missiles, and they're highly successful now... okay so since they're highly successful they don't need as much r&d money, they can fine tune what they have... right? oh well there goes your argument.

oh wait... they've been fine tuning the garbage and its been highly successful... and still a failure, for decades now.... they just need a few more billion and we'll be there!


...when we could of created a completely new system that actually works and wasnt based on faulty research 5xs over by now.

you can flower up a piece of shit all you want, but its still a piece of shit.
Wrong.
I am in the military and its pretty much common knowledge that if Raytheon built equipment that actually worked effectively and didn't break all the time then there would be FAR FEWER maintenance men.
Truth is, the money is not in making a system that works. The money is making spare parts for equipment and charging TONS of money for it.

And before you start your shit talking, I am a Fire Controlman in the US Navy, I work on NATO Seasparrow Surface Missile System. I may know a thing or 2 about ordering a part, a cassette tape reader similar to a walkman, which costs over $5,000. Thanks Raytheon.
 
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Wrong.
I am in the military and its pretty much common knowledge that if Raytheon built equipment that actually worked effectively and didn't break all the time then there would be FAR FEWER maintenance men.
Truth is, the money is not in making a system that works. The money is making spare parts for equipment and charging TONS of money for it.

And before you start your shit talking, I am a Fire Controlman in the US Navy, I work on NATO Seasparrow Surface Missile System. I may know a thing or 2 about ordering a part, a cassette tape reader similar to a walkman, which costs over $5,000. Thanks Raytheon.

You just completely contradicted yourself... you say the equipment is always breaking, then you say the money isnt in making a system that works... if its always breaking, then IT DOESNT WORK. I've read a ton of bullshit about the system and have come to my own conclusions from both ends.

Right or wrong everything is an opinion when it comes to political discussion and minds are never changed. So this whole thing is pointless. And unless your an alex jones or blind fox news follower I havnt done any shit talking. So which are you?
 
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The equipment works but breaks often. The only Fire Control system we have on board that DOESNT constantly break was made by the Germans.
so youre arguing that the system works but doesnt because its always breaking.... which isnt the point ive been making about it being a complete waste of money and failure how? if its been breaking for DECADES, ITS A FAILURE. Roses, shit, shit, roses. already said.
 

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I agree with you. But if that's what he's going to do, he has to watch his ass. We can't just go in and make friends with these countries and think everything is great. I'm not saying he's going to train them and give them weapons, but I am saying that it's not hard to believe that if we smile with them, they might get at us later when we're "comfortable".
And I can agree with what you're saying here, but I think people have to understand that there will always be certain risks when dealing with anyone. Certain things will of course need to be in place to help reduce risk, but there will never be a guarantee that being cordial with another country will always be peachy keen. I can agree with that. There is always a risk when dealing with any country.

But there is always a chance that the relationship will be good and beneficial.

I don't think you're calling for isolationism, but my point is... Ignoring the chance for good relations because something might happen might not be the answer.
 
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Im all for US to make amends with countries we dont have great communications with. I myself have a big handful of Cuban friends and the most talk is them wanting to go back to Cuba to visit family without having to fly to another country first. A Big FUCK YOU!!!! to Fidel, but the past is the past and we gotta keep it moving.
 
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I agree with you. But if that's what he's going to do, he has to watch his ass. We can't just go in and make friends with these countries and think everything is great. I'm not saying he's going to train them and give them weapons, but I am saying that it's not hard to believe that if we smile with them, they might get at us later when we're "comfortable".
America has always been like a gangster outside of his hood.....on its toes.
The united States is never too comfortable and is always spying on everyone thats why dick cheney had assassins that went to countries and killed people.
 
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^^^^Exactly!!!!Expect the rise of the third party(populists) by 2012. People are getting fed up with a system that doesn't take care of them. We have no national health care system,university costs are through the roof, and the education system here is failing.


You better expect more people wanting their voice to be heard.Just look at when Obama said that marijuana would not be a boost to the economy. The marijuana reform group's donations quadrupled in the 24 hours after that online town hall and that money was given to them by AMERICAN CITIZENS wanting change.better believe marijuana reform is coming and coming fast
 
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so youre arguing that the system works but doesnt because its always breaking.... which isnt the point ive been making about it being a complete waste of money and failure how? if its been breaking for DECADES, ITS A FAILURE. Roses, shit, shit, roses. already said.
I agree, but thats how the companies make money. To the company that makes the gear, it is a cash register. You really think the companies designing this shit give a fuck if it breaks? More tax payer dollars going to a private company with government contracts.
 

Sydal

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Foul ass words for a foul ass point of view. Get over it.
You're right, I'm totally unreasonable and I have no right to express my opinion.



How is any of that relevant? How is what Obama said about this country's religious stance relevant? Did it offend you? Fact of the matter is, this country is rapidly becoming a DIVERSE religious, multicultural nation. That was his point. He wants other nations to understand that this country isn't what bush probably made it seem (bunch of gun toting, bible carrying, ignorant, racist hicks). So could you please explain to me how that is a BAD thing?
It is relevant because what he said is false. We may be changing, but until then, that's what this country is...like it or not. I'm all for diversity, but instead of going completely against what Bush portrayed, he should be portraying this country accurately. To say this is not a nation comprised of, for the most part, Christians...just looks like he's trying to get in good with the muslim nations that don't believe in our way of life. We are what we are...whether it's Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, or Atheist...we don't need to be misrepresented in order to look better in the eyes of others.

He took your money?!! How?? When?? Did he sneak in your house and break into your safe? Or did he pick pocket you?
Who do you think pays for those bailouts in the long run? The government does now, but how do they recoup that money? Tax payers.

lol@which doesn't work with capitalism. Answer me this: is capitalism working right now?
Capitalism works, then it fails, then it works, then it fails. Look at the history of the United States...our economy fixes itself one way or the other, without the government pumping billions, or trillions of dollars into it. We got out of the depression because of war, because people had jobs. People need JOBS for the economy to work, so pumping all this money into major companies like GM is doing NOTHING for the economy...millions of people still need jobs. All this bailout money, and people are still getting laid off. Hmmm...way to stimulate the economy.


North Korea cant even set the clock on their VCR!!! Have you been FOLLOWING their "nuclear progress"?
And how, exactly, is he "sucking the dick of communist leaders"? By making friends rather than allies, like Bush did?


YOU feel sorry for ME?! Dog, I know what communism is and Obama hasn't done anything that would remotely resemble a communist action. You have yet to provide any evidence that he has. Please elaborate on these communist or *ahem* EXTREMLY socialist decisions? Id love to hear them.
Redistribution of wealth is an example of Egalitarianism. Philosophies that support this are socialism and communism. Obama believes in Redistribution of wealth, just go watch some of his speeches. His health care views are socialist, just listen to what he wants to do with that, and compare it to the socialist European countries that do the same thing. Frank Marshall Davis was a communist, was he not? He admittedly attended socialist conferences, he sponsored the global poverty act.


You're right.. Why should the president of our country take action on our republican-induced economic crisis.
He's telling him to resign because he ran one of the most important companies in the US into the fucking ground! You want him to give him a raise? Suck HIS dick, instead of all these communists that he's supposedly blowing?
One of the most important companies in the U.S.? If GM filed for Bankruptcy, exactly how would that make our situation worse? I can see banks, but c'mon...the best cars in the United States right now are foreign.

Sorry, bro, I just cant respect your opinion when you just regurgitate shit you hear on fox news and rush limbaugh's talk show.
Again, I haven't been watching Fox News, and I've never even heard Rush Limbaugh's talk show.
 
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what would happen if the govt didnt give the bailout money to the auto companies? wouldnt that mean those companies in debt would have to close business. meaning tens of thousands of people would be out of a job. wouldnt that large increase of unemployed people completely cripple the economy?
i think its necessary for the govt to give the auto industry a bailout and i also think its fair for the govt to tell the ceo to step down as a condition for giving the auto industry the money.
the bailout money is just a temporary fix. the american auto industry needs to rethink the type of products they put out in the market and need to think fuel economy instead of horsepower.