OAKLAND RAIDERS OFFSEASON THREAD

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For Oakland, this has to be Huff's year


If there's one thing cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha has taught the Oakland Raiders' organization, it's to never give up on a young, physically gifted defensive back.

Still, rumors circulated early this offseason that 25-year-old strong safety Michael Huff was on the trading block. According to the Sacramento Bee, he was one of the "players the Raiders believe haven't tapped their potential."

The seventh overall pick in 2007, Huff certainly hasn't begun his NFL career the way many had expected. The Irving, Texas, native picked of seven passes in 51 games with the Longhorns (four of which were returned for TDs) and registered 318 tackles and six forced fumbles.

Thus far in 32 starts with the Raiders, Huff has recorded just one interception, 163 tackles and two fumbles forced. His numbers and play on the field aren't particularly awful, but they certainly aren't what team owner Al Davis was looking for when he used such a high pick to get the 205-pounder

It was also suggested that defensive coordinator Rob Ryan use Huff at cornerback next season, a position he saw time at while at Texas.

That plan has to be out the door by now, though.

Oakland already franchise tagged No. 1 cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha for $9.45 million, agreed to pay CB DeAngelo Hall $70 million over the next seven years and picked up ex-New York Giants safety Gibril Wilson for six years and $39 million. Behind those three starters, the Raiders still have capable defensive backs Fabian Washington, Stanford Routt and Stuart Schweigert in reserve.

That means Huff will again be stuck at strong safety for another year. This time around, however, it'll be with a whole new crew around him. And this one's full of playmakers.

Over the past two seasons, the 24-year-old has become familiar playing alongside Asomugha, who has picked off nine passes and recorded 84 tackles and 18 passes defensed since 2006. Now, though, he'll also be working with Hall, who has 228 career tackles and 17 interceptions since 2004.

Perhaps the biggest addition to the secondary for Huff, though, is the player he'll be paired alongside for 16 games, Wilson. To this point, Huff has worked solely with Schweigert, who will now take a back seat to Wilson. Schweigert left Purdue as the school's all-time-leading interception leader with 17 pass thefts, but he has just four in four years with the Raiders.

Last season alone, Wilson picked off four passes. In all, since 2004, the 26-year-old FS has registered 11 interceptions, 360 tackles and 19 passes defensed.

If the underachieving Huff is looking for excuses, he may be running out of them. There's nothing but good players around him now. And if he doesn't step up in 2008, that'll just make him look worse.
 
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Davis, Raiders in the midst of eye-popping spending spree
By John Clayton
ESPN.com

Al Davis likes to talk about the Raiders' commitment to excellence. This offseason, the world is wondering if he's committed to debt.



The pending DeAngelo Hall trade, which won't be completed until Hall agrees to an Asante Samuel-like contract, is Davis' latest venture into a wild spending spree. He gave safety Gibril Wilson a six-year, $39 million contract. Defensive tackle Tommy Kelly received a seven-year, $52.5 million deal. Offensive tackle Kwame Harris moved across the bay from the 49ers for a three-year, $14 million deal. Wide receiver Javon Walker caught a six-year, $55 million pass.


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By making many expensive moves this offseason, Al Davis has made it clear that he's tired of losing.


With quarterback JaMarcus Russell receiving a $19.9 million option bonus this year, the Raiders' payroll has soared to $137 million -- $23 million higher than the next-closest team (Cleveland) -- and Davis isn't done yet. His plan is to keep CB Nnamdi Asomugha, whose franchise tag will count $9.465 million against the cap. Davis also plans to keep the No. 4 pick in the draft, which will net a contract worth between $5 million and $9 million a year.



Davis, impatient about the team's football fortunes (only 19 victories over the past five seasons), is going against the financial bottom line to improve the team's football bottom line.



In 2005, he tried to give the franchise a jolt by trading for wide receiver Randy Moss and making free-agent moves such as the signings of RB LaMont Jordan, DE Derrick Burgess and others. It didn't work, and Moss became so disinterested in football in Oakland that he was traded to New England for the fourth-round pick.



Those moves seem modest compared to 2008, and the interesting part about it is that Davis is the one pulling the trigger. After a disappointing 4-12 season, Davis removed head coach Lane Kiffin from the personnel decision-making process. It's Davis himself working the deals with the help of selected front-office employees.



Unlike the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and other cost-conscious teams, Davis isn't looking for bargains. He didn't blink about coughing up $107.5 million in contracts for Kelly, coming off ACL surgery, and Walker, who is coming off a knee injury that limited him to eight games in Denver last season. Last weekend, Davis instructed negotiators within the organization to make the Hall deal a priority after agreeing to trade terms with the Falcons.



Recently, Davis sold non-voting shares in the Raiders, which gave him the money to go on this spending spree and invest in so many players.



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Still, the timing of these moves is unusual because of the uncertainty of the head coaching position. Kiffin comes to work each day not knowing for sure if he's going to be the head coach by the start of the 2008 season.



Reports surfaced in January that Kiffin was asked to resign. He didn't, and even though the Raiders have denied the resignation story, numerous sources have backed up the tenuous relationship between the coach and owner. One sign of the discord was Davis' hiring of James Lofton as wide receivers coach without getting Kiffin's blessing.



Of course, Davis has always believed in getting the best players to win, and he's showing an aggressiveness reminiscent of the Al Davis of the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s.



• Davis believes in man-to-man cornerback play. Putting Hall at cornerback with Asomugha gives the Raiders their best man-to-man cornerback tandem since Charles Woodson and Eric Allen. In many ways, Davis is flashing back to the Mike Haynes-Lester Hayes days in making this trade. It probably means former first-round choice Fabian Washington will be traded.



• Davis believes in big-play passing ability. With strong-armed Russell at quarterback, the Raiders added deep speed with Walker and Drew Carter, who signed a one-year deal for around $2 million. Ronald Curry will be the possession receiver.



• Kelly received his big payday to make the conversion from defensive end to defensive tackle, replacing the retiring Warren Sapp. Davis is hoping Kelly's athletic ability will replace the inside pass rush lost with Sapp's departure.



• The Wilson signing was one of the most debatable. The Raiders' defensive schemes require their safeties to play more man coverage. Two years ago, the Raiders drafted Michael Huff in the first round because of his coverage ability at safety, but he has been up and down. Safety is a tough job with the Raiders, but Davis didn't mind making Wilson the third highest paid safety in football.



Not everything has gone right for the Raiders. While the team was wrapping up the Kelly contract, it lost defensive end Chris Clemons, an eight-sack pass-rusher on the rise. He signed for less than $3 million a year with the Eagles.



Once the Hall trade is completed, it creates problems in trying to keep Asomugha. He's on the one-year franchise tender, and he's not going to sign for much less than the six-year, $57 million deal given to Samuel. To keep him as a franchise player next year, the price goes to $11.35 million.



But Davis isn't thinking about the green. He's thinking about the silver and black. He's just trying to win, baby.
 

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As Hall told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution last December, “I will not be part of a losing season for another year. I’ve got to do what I’ve got to do. No matter who hates me.”
that made me LOL

But really though, Hall gets disgrunted easily, yall could have another moss situation on hand, and trade Hall away in a few years for a 4th too lol
 
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yall could have another moss situation on hand, and trade Hall away in a few years for a 4th too lol
Ive actually thought about this and I do see some simularities...
When we traded for Moss we were already looking pretty good at WR, no one was saying that was a huge need going into that offseason but Al decided to trade for Moss anyway instead of trying to build a solid offense line and get a franchise QB.
Now going into this offseason it was obvious the number 1 priority on defense should've been to get help on the line to stop the run. Shaun Rogers was available via trade but for whatever reason Al didn't go after him and decided to trade for Hall instead, even tho CB was probally the last thing we needed on defense.
Now on paper we have the best CB tandem in the league just like we probally had the best WR core in the league(on paper) when we got Moss. Problem is what good is having 2 pro-bowl CB's if other teams are just gonna run the ball down your throat every chance they get. Just like it was no good having a solid WR core with no QB to throw them the ball, no line to block for the QB and no running game.
I like the addition of Hall but I still shake my head at a majority of moves Al makes...Im really hoping this works out:ermm:
 

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Ive actually thought about this and I do see some simularities...
When we traded for Moss we were already looking pretty good at WR, no one was saying that was a huge need going into that offseason but Al decided to trade for Moss anyway instead of trying to build a solid offense line and get a franchise QB.
Now going into this offseason it was obvious the number 1 priority on defense should've been to get help on the line to stop the run. Shaun Rogers was available via trade but for whatever reason Al didn't go after him and decided to trade for Hall instead, even tho CB was probally the last thing we needed on defense.
Now on paper we have the best CB tandem in the league just like we probally had the best WR core in the league(on paper) when we got Moss. Problem is what good is having 2 pro-bowl CB's if other teams are just gonna run the ball down your throat every chance they get. Just like it was no good having a solid WR core with no QB to throw them the ball, no line to block for the QB and no running game.
I like the addition of Hall but I still shake my head at a majority of moves Al makes...Im really hoping this works out:ermm:
yeah, especially since all 3 teams in our division are run heavy teams. man, I'm just hoping that we can lock up Nnamdi to a long contract sometime during the season and that Hall doesn't turn into Moss
 

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^I think so too. Hall is going to have to work just about every down on defense, whereas moss could essentially take plays off (even tho he shouldn't). If Hall gives up then the opposition gets a big play/touchdown, if (more like when) moss gives up he either isn't even a part of the play or it just results in a loss of the down. can't wait to see Nnamdi & Deangelo on field together :cheeky:
 

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Ive actually thought about this and I do see some simularities...
When we traded for Moss we were already looking pretty good at WR, no one was saying that was a huge need going into that offseason but Al decided to trade for Moss anyway instead of trying to build a solid offense line and get a franchise QB.
Now going into this offseason it was obvious the number 1 priority on defense should've been to get help on the line to stop the run. Shaun Rogers was available via trade but for whatever reason Al didn't go after him and decided to trade for Hall instead, even tho CB was probally the last thing we needed on defense.
Now on paper we have the best CB tandem in the league just like we probally had the best WR core in the league(on paper) when we got Moss. Problem is what good is having 2 pro-bowl CB's if other teams are just gonna run the ball down your throat every chance they get. Just like it was no good having a solid WR core with no QB to throw them the ball, no line to block for the QB and no running game.
I like the addition of Hall but I still shake my head at a majority of moves Al makes...Im really hoping this works out:ermm:
Yeah, i was thinking the same thing, it wasnt a huge need...

yeah, especially since all 3 teams in our division are run heavy teams. man, I'm just hoping that we can lock up Nnamdi to a long contract sometime during the season and that Hall doesn't turn into Moss
Yeah, all 3 have good RBs (LT,LJ,Whoever is running for denver(since they always have a RBBC going) )

meanwhile, none of those teams really have a good #1, why pay 10 mil to each cb for them to be guarding lower tier players?

SOMETHING TELLS ME THIS WILL GO A LOT BETTER THAN THE MOSS TRADE.
I dont know, Hall has a worse attitude than Moss....
 

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Yeah, all 3 have good RBs (LT,LJ,Whoever is running for denver(since they always have a RBBC going) )

meanwhile, none of those teams really have a good #1, why pay 10 mil to each cb for them to be guarding lower tier players?
I guess the thinking is that if we can get a lead then that will force opposition to go to the air, and that's where our cb tandem comes in handy....I think Al is thinking Russell's arm & the speed of walker & carter will equate to leads that the improved defense will be able to keep. I am certainly not worried about KC, I don't think Denver will be a major factor, and I'm hoping that SD takes a Turner for the worse....
 
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I dont know, Hall has a worse attitude than Moss....
NO HE DOESN'T. ALL THAT SHIT A BOUT HALL'S ATTITUDE IS OVER-BLOWN. HE FLASHED ON LOUIE PETRINO BUT PETRINO WAS A COWARD WHO ABANDONED HIS FRACHISE SO WHO YOU THINK WAS RIGHT? MOSS IS A FUCKING MALCONTENT AND A QUITTER, PERIOD. HALL HAS NEVER BEEN CLOSE TO HAVING A WORSE ATTITUDE THAN MOSS. HALL JUST WANTS TO WIN, HE'S A COMPETITOR. AND, WHILE MAYBE HE MIGHT GET BURNT ONCE IN A WHILE BY AN ELITE WIDE RECEIVOR, I'VE NEVER SEEN HIM TAKE A PLAY OFF...
 
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NO HE DOESN'T. ALL THAT SHIT A BOUT HALL'S ATTITUDE IS OVER-BLOWN. HE FLASHED ON LOUIE PETRINO BUT PETRINO WAS A COWARD WHO ABANDONED HIS FRACHISE SO WHO YOU THINK WAS RIGHT? MOSS IS A FUCKING MALCONTENT AND A QUITTER, PERIOD. HALL HAS NEVER BEEN CLOSE TO HAVING A WORSE ATTITUDE THAN MOSS. HALL JUST WANTS TO WIN, HE'S A COMPETITOR. AND, WHILE MAYBE HE MIGHT GET BURNT ONCE IN A WHILE BY AN ELITE WIDE RECEIVOR, I'VE NEVER SEEN HIM TAKE A PLAY OFF...
well hall is a DB so he cant take a play off or else he gets blown by which has happned alot in his career so maybe he was then. attitude wise hall's is alot worse than moss. moss never really had an attitude problem until he went to the raiders. just like u been sayin we'll see if he's good or not. we'll see if hall's attitude gets worse in oakland cause if u guys go back to ur losing ways and do it more than a season then he'll be crying for a trade trust me
 
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well hall is a DB so he cant take a play off or else he gets blown by which has happned alot in his career so maybe he was then. attitude wise hall's is alot worse than moss. moss never really had an attitude problem until he went to the raiders. just like u been sayin we'll see if he's good or not. we'll see if hall's attitude gets worse in oakland cause if u guys go back to ur losing ways and do it more than a season then he'll be crying for a trade trust me
YOU'RE BEGINNING TO SHOCK ME HERE. MOSS NEVER HAD ATTITUDE UNTIL HE WAS WITH THE RAIDERS? YOU'RE KIDDING ME RIGHT? WE'RE TALKING RANDY MOSS THAT WALKED OFF THE FIELD BEFORE A GAME WAS OVER IN THE PLAYOFFS AGAINST WASHINGTON? THE SAME RANDY MOSS THAT SAID IN MINNESOTA, "I PLAY WHEN I WANT TO?" THE SAME MOSS WHO STARTED WHINING AND BECAME A TOTAL CANCER IN MINNESTOTA AND DEMANDED A TRADE?

I THINK I SEEN YOU SAY THAT YOUR ONLY 22 IN ANOTHER POST IN HERE AND I'LL CHALK UP THIS RIDICULOUS STATEMENT ABOUT MOSS AS YOU JUST BEING TO YOUNG TOO REMEMBER ALL THIS. TRUST ME BRUH, MOSS'S ATTITUDE IS WAAAY WORSE THAN DEANGELO HALL'S. MOSS MIGHT NOT BE THE WORST GUY IN THE NFL, BUT HE'S DEFINITELY BEEN WORSE THAN HALL. HALL HAS BEEN A FIERCE COMPETITOR AND SOLID LOCKER ROOM GUY FOR ALL HIS CAREER. THEY ONLY HAD PROBLEMS WITH HIM THIS LAST SEASON AFTER HIS TEAM FELL TOTALLY APART.

ASIDE FROM THAT, ALL HE HAS EVER DONE IS JAW A BIT WITH WIDE RECEIVERS WHICH I DON'T HAVE ONE BIT OF A PROBLEM WITH. HE HAS ALWAYS BEEN A VOCAL COMPETITOR AND FOR SOME REASON, A SUPER-STAR SO PEOPLE ARE QUICK TO JUMP ON HIM WHEN HE SAYS ANYTHING BECAUSE OF HIS HIGHER VISABILITY.

DUDE HAS 17 PICKS OVER THE LAST 4 YEARS. THAT'S PRETTY FUCKING SAVAGE, BUT FOR SOME REASON ALL PEOPLE TALK ABOUT IS HIM GETTING BEAT ONCE IN A WHILE BY T.O. THINGS THAT MAKE YOU GO HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM....
 
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YOU'RE BEGINNING TO SHOCK ME HERE. MOSS NEVER HAD ATTITUDE UNTIL HE WAS WITH THE RAIDERS? YOU'RE KIDDING ME RIGHT? WE'RE TALKING RANDY MOSS THAT WALKED OFF THE FIELD BEFORE A GAME WAS OVER IN THE PLAYOFFS AGAINST WASHINGTON? THE SAME RANDY MOSS THAT SAID IN MINNESOTA, "I PLAY WHEN I WANT TO?" THE SAME MOSS WHO STARTED WHINING AND BECAME A TOTAL CANCER IN MINNESTOTA AND DEMANDED A TRADE?

I THINK I SEEN YOU SAY THAT YOUR ONLY 22 IN ANOTHER POST IN HERE AND I'LL CHALK UP THIS RIDICULOUS STATEMENT ABOUT MOSS AS YOU JUST BEING TO YOUNG TOO REMEMBER ALL THIS. TRUST ME BRUH, MOSS'S ATTITUDE IS WAAAY WORSE THAN DEANGELO HALL'S. MOSS MIGHT NOT BE THE WORST GUY IN THE NFL, BUT HE'S DEFINITELY BEEN WORSE THAN HALL. HALL HAS BEEN A FIERCE COMPETITOR AND SOLID LOCKER ROOM GUY FOR ALL HIS CAREER. THEY ONLY HAD PROBLEMS WITH HIM THIS LAST SEASON AFTER HIS TEAM FELL TOTALLY APART.

ASIDE FROM THAT, ALL HE HAS EVER DONE IS JAW A BIT WITH WIDE RECEIVERS WHICH I DON'T HAVE ONE BIT OF A PROBLEM WITH. HE HAS ALWAYS BEEN A VOCAL COMPETITOR AND FOR SOME REASON, A SUPER-STAR SO PEOPLE ARE QUICK TO JUMP ON HIM WHEN HE SAYS ANYTHING BECAUSE OF HIS HIGHER VISABILITY.

DUDE HAS 17 PICKS OVER THE LAST 4 YEARS. THAT'S PRETTY FUCKING SAVAGE, BUT FOR SOME REASON ALL PEOPLE TALK ABOUT IS HIM GETTING BEAT ONCE IN A WHILE BY T.O. THINGS THAT MAKE YOU GO HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM....

moss has done alot of shit but he's been in the league for 10 years. hall been in for 4 years and he already doing shit that moss never did this early in his career. i'm just looking towards the future man and no offense but i feel he'll get alot worse with ur franchise cause ur franchise will be going nowhere for a lil bit. he went to the raiders for the money but once he gets used to the money he'll be crying for a trade in no time. this is just what i feel will happen i'm not trying to hate at all man.
 
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he went to the raiders for the money but once he gets used to the money he'll be crying for a trade in no time. this is just what i feel will happen i'm not trying to hate at all man.

I HEAR YOU. I GUESS THIS IS WHERE YOU AND I JUST DISAGREE. THE RAIDERS ARE ON THE UPSWING. IN MY OPINION, WE WILL BE AT THE VERY LEAST DIVISION CONTENDERS IN THE NEXT 2 YEARS.

THINGS CHANGE IN THE NFL. OUR TIME OF BEING A LOSING TEAM IS SLOWLY ENDING. PEOPLE HATE IT. BUT IT'S HAPPENING.
 
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I HEAR YOU. I GUESS THIS IS WHERE YOU AND I JUST DISAGREE. THE RAIDERS ARE ON THE UPSWING. IN MY OPINION, WE WILL BE AT THE VERY LEAST DIVISION CONTENDERS IN THE NEXT 2 YEARS.

THINGS CHANGE IN THE NFL. OUR TIME OF BEING A LOSING TEAM IS SLOWLY ENDING. PEOPLE HATE IT. BUT IT'S HAPPENING.
i dont hate it. i enjoyed watching the raiders back when they were good n shit. and i feel u gusy would be on an upswing this year if u didnt spend that much on 3 cats. but yeah ur time will come. look what New Orleans did 2 yrs back
 
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moss has done alot of shit but he's been in the league for 10 years. hall been in for 4 years and he already doing shit that moss never did this early in his career.

OH AND BTW- AND THIS MAY JUST YOUR YOUTH TALKING AGAIN, MOSS WAS GETTING INTO ALL KINDS OF TROUBLE BEFORE HE WAS EVEN DRAFTED. SO, IN FACT, HE WAS DOING SHIT WORSE THAN DEANGELO HALL EVER DID, EARLIER IN HIS CAREER. MOSS HAD ALL KINDS OF OFF THE FIELD ISSUES FROM DRUGS TO ARRESTS AND IT EVEN DROPPED HIM IN TERMS OF DRAFT POSITION ON THE FIRST DAY OF THE DRAFT. IT WAS A CONSIDERED A GAMBLE WHEN MINNESOTA DRAFTED HIM WITH THEIR FIRST ROUND PICK. DEANGELO HALL HAS NEVER HAD ONE OFF FIELD INCIDENT IN HIS CAREER.
 

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I mean, really, the only people in our division that we have to worry about is SD, we are making big moves, and yes we have to spend alot of money due to the way Al has been running the organization (into the ground) these last few years....but you know once we start making moves and get back to our winning ways we won't have to pull these colossal contracts out of our asses cuz people will want to play for the Raiders again
 
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^^^^didnt know that. and that aint my youth i just dont follow college football at all. i started religiously watching football in 97. other than that i would just watch my team but then i got into the sport in school which made me like it even more and able to actually watch with knowledge. but yeah now i will say ur correct with moss being more of an ass lol. as long as he aint like that with my team which he hasnt been so far then i'm str8