OAKLAND RAIDERS OFFSEASON THREAD

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May 17, 2002
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LOL... I never told you to put the blunt down but anyway.... That Ravens defense is what won them that ring that year. All Dilfer had to do was "not screw up" and the defense took care of the rest. As long as Dilfer didn't throw a pick or fumble the Ravens were going to win regardless. You're giving Dilfer too much credit for the Ravens winning the SuperBowl.

Walter is already on our team and he already knows the playbook.

And Trent Green? Are you serious? He's a concussion away from retiring man.
Well with the defense were gonna have he'd come in handy.Remember last season we had a lead late in the game and Culpepper or Mccown would screw it up.Well with Dilfer if were in a close game.Maybe well actually win those kinda games.Not throw a pick and blow it because remember we couldve won alot of games last year if it wasn't for 4 th quarter meltdowns by our offense.Correct me if wrong and Walter come on Tony.he throws more ints than Td's.The best I saw him was the last game of the season vs San Diego.Thats it he needs to be released or cut.
 
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Well with the defense were gonna have he'd come in handy.Remember last season we had a lead late in the game and Culpepper or Mccown would screw it up.Well with Dilfer if were in a close game.Maybe well actually win those kinda games.Not throw a pick and blow it because remember we couldve won alot of games last year if it wasn't for 4 th quarter meltdowns by our offense.Correct me if wrong and Walter come on Tony.he throws more ints than Td's.The best I saw him was the last game of the season vs San Diego.Thats it he needs to be released or cut.
smh...

Deebo, just stop.....please
 

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BigDeebo... actually Culpepper played pretty good. I remember Mike Williams dropping a pass for a first down against Tennessee that would have kept our drive going...but we'll see what happens. Dilfer is not that bad but not that good. He's pretty average if you ask me.
 
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Well with the defense were gonna have he'd come in handy.Remember last season we had a lead late in the game and Culpepper or Mccown would screw it up.Well with Dilfer if were in a close game.Maybe well actually win those kinda games.Not throw a pick and blow it because remember we couldve won alot of games last year if it wasn't for 4 th quarter meltdowns by our offense.Correct me if wrong and Walter come on Tony.he throws more ints than Td's.The best I saw him was the last game of the season vs San Diego.Thats it he needs to be released or cut.
LOL WHAT THE HELL??????????? EDIOT!

SMH SMH SMH SMH SMH SMH

ur obsession wit dilfer is very suspect :confused:
 
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Why does everyone think Gray will be a good backup with the Raiders.He would still have to learn the playbook in Oakland.Dilfer has played in similar offenses like the one ran in Oakland and can play right away.
NO BODY said gray will be this, gray will be that.

we alllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll said dilfer sucks ass n dont want him on the team.
 
Jun 1, 2002
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gonna needa replacement for Aso next year....
LOL.. JUST CAUGHT THIS. GIVE THIS SHIT UP ALLREADY. THERE IS NO WAY WE'RE LETTING GO OF # 21. WE'RE CUTTING LAMONT JORDAN WHICH WILL FREE UP SPACE ALONG WITH WHOEVER ELSE. AL DAVIS WILL NOT LET GO OF NNAMDI ASOMUGHA. KEEP DREAMIN'!
 
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Shortage of picks
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Wednesday, March 19th, 2008 at 2:28 pm in Oakland Raiders.

Assuming DeAngelo Hall arrived in Oakland Wednesday and all goes according to plan, the Raiders will reportedly lose their second and sixth-round picks in this year’s draft to the Atlanta Falcons.

Given that the Raiders lost their third-round pick to New England as part of the deal that allowed them to draft Mario Henderson, and gave the Broncos a fifth-round selection for defensive tackle Gerard Warren, it leaves Oakland with four selections.

Oakland drafts in the first round (No. 4 overall), fourth round and has two picks in the seventh round.

The Raiders have never had less than six draft picks in any season since 1993, when the draft went to eight rounds. It became a seven-round draft in 1994. Always active in terms of trades on draft day, it’s safe to assume Oakland will look at ways to increase the size of their draft class.

The most obvious way would be to deal the first-round pick for additional picks, giving them a later pick in the first round. According to a chart which many NFL teams use to determine the value of selections, a that No. 4 pick could easily add a few additional selections.

According to the chart, the No. 4 overall pick is worth 1,800 points. Dallas has been rumored to be interested in the No. 4 pick, and has picks at No. 22 and No. 28. Since the No. 22 pick is worth 780 and the No. 28 selection is worth 660 _ the Cowboys would in theory need another 360 points to make up the difference _ the equivalent of the No. 54 overall selection.

Would the Raiders give up No. 4 to get No. 22, No. 28 and No. 54?

By point of comparison, last season’s No. 4 pick was Clemson defensive end Gaines Adams by Tampa Bay. No. 22 was quarterback Brady Quinn (Cleveland, Notre Dame), No. 28 was tackle Joe Staley (49ers, Central Michigan) and No. 54 was defensive end Turk McBride (Kansas City, Tennessee).

In 2006, the No. 4 pick was tackle D’Brickashaw Ferguson (New York Jets, Virginia). The 49ers selected linebacker Manny Lawson (North Carolina State) at No. 22, tight end Marcedes Lewis (Jacksonville, UCLA) was No. 28 and defensive back Bernard Pollard (Kansas City, Purdue) was No. 54.

If the Raiders wanted to get just a single mid- to late-round pick in the first round in exchange for No. 4, they would probably be in line for at least three more picks in the second, third and fourth rounds.

While the trade chart is not a Bible, by any means _ the Raiders probably have their own formula _ it is clear the Raiders can increase their numbers if they haven’t zeroed in on an instant contributor at No. 4.

Oakland can also add picks by dealing players under contract. Among the likely candidates:

– CBs Fabian Washington and Stanford Routt: Hall’s arrival means one or both will be dangled for a draft pick. Washington was a first-round pick who lost his job to Routt (a second-round pick) last season.

Routt’s size makes him a more likely prospect as a nickel corner to remain, even though he’s never been completely comfortable playing inside.

– RB LaMont Jordan: This one is probably wishful thinking by the Raiders. Jordan is due to make $4.7 million this year and $5 million next season. Teams know Jordan isn’t in Oakland’s plans, and will likely wait for him to be cut so they can work out a deal for less money.

– C Jake Grove: A lot of teams loved Grove when he came out in 2004, regarding him as the country’s top center. The only way this would be possible is if Jeremy Newberry or another veteran center was signed as the starter, with Chris Morris remaining as a backup.

– QB Andrew Walter: If the Raiders sign Quinn Gray or another veteran to back up JaMarcus Russell, Walter could be given a fresh start.

– S Michael Huff: The Raiders were floating his name at the NFL scouting combine for a possible trade, although it seems more likely with the acquisition of Gibril Wilson that Huff will move to free safety.

– S Stuart Schweigert and Hiram Eugene: The whipping boy of Raider nation had his problems tackling in the secondary, at least in part because too many opposing players were given a head start by the front seven. But he is scheduled to be paid as a starter and that isn’t happening unless a huge offer comes across for Huff. Eugene may not have shown enough to merit receiving a draft pick.

– FB Justin Griffith: Hailed as a “locker room” savior by Kiffin last season, the Raiders this offseason don’t appear overly concerned about positive and negative influences. Griffith is at present keeping the seat warm for Oren O’Neal. If the Raiders are convinced O’Neal can start right away, Griffith could bring a mid- to late-round pick.

– G-T Paul McQuistan: Played OK at right tackle as the replacement for the injured Cornell Green. The fact that Green was brought back on a two-year deal could mean the coaching staff doesn’t think McQuistan is a fit for the zone blocking system. As a guard, he won’t be replacing either Robert Gallery or Cooper Carlisle.

– DT Gerard Warren: Scheduled to make $4 million in salary, Warren arrived for a conditional pick last season which Denver now owns at No. 5. Probably isn’t going anywhere, but it seems that every team that gets Warren is soon looking to unload him.
 
Jun 1, 2002
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Hold the motorcade
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Thursday, March 20th, 2008 at 8:56 pm in Oakland Raiders.

The last time the Raiders made a splash this big, Randy Moss was ushered to a press conference in his honor with a police escort.

Moss came to Oakland in exchange for linebacker Napoleon Harris and the No. 7 overall pick in the first round, which Minnesota used to select wide receiver Troy Williamson.

It was ultimately one of those trades which benefitted neither team. Moss was gone after the two least-productive seasons of his career, Harris eventually departed to Kansas City and Williamson never came close to filling the void created by Moss’ absence.

Which brings us to Oakland’s acquisition of Atlanta cornerback DeAngelo Hall, the latest in a free-spending offseason by the Raiders which has the NFL abuzz with equal parts wonder and disdain. The Raiders confirmed the signing on their Web site and with a press release Thursday evening.

Considering the skills of the players involved, the acquisition of Hall is much like dealing for Moss. It is virtually impossible to pass on acquiring a proven talent when you are giving up nothing but potential in return.

Like Moss, however, Hall needs a skycap to handle all his baggage.

Dubbed “MeAngelo” by the Atlanta media, Hall took a torch to every bridge between himself and Atlanta to get himself traded before ultimately succeeding.

As Hall told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution last December, “I will not be part of a losing season for another year. I’ve got to do what I’ve got to do. No matter who hates me.”

That was for a Falcons team that has won 35 games over the past five years and once made it a conference championship game. The Raiders, during the same span, are 19-61 with five straight seasons of double-digit losses.

Hall had an on-field meltdown against Carolina in which he committed three personal fouls and had to be restrained on the bench, drawing a $100,000 fine. He came out for a late-season Monday night game carrying a Michael Vick poster and wearing “MV7” under his eyes, supporting a player who let down everyone in the organization through his contemptable dog-fighting activities.

The Raiders are banking on the possibility that Hall’s frustration had mostly to do with Bobby Petrino’s insincere one-year tenure as head coach, which ended with even above-reproach veterans such as Warrick Dunn trashing Petrino’s character. They’re also assuming that their offseason moves will result in a resurrection of the franchise, and that winning will cure all ills.

While both are viable theories, like the Moss trade, this one comes with some risk.

Not everyone is on board with Hall as a so-called lockdown corner. It isn’t difficult to find a Falcons fan who can point to dozens of times he was victimized for every sensational play he makes, making him little more than a glorified Phillip Buchanon. The Houston Texans took a look at Buchanon’s occasional interceptions and multiple touchdowns, gave up two draft picks for him and discovered that, as Tim Brown said, “Phillip giveth and Phillip taketh away.”

It was only until Buchanon found a safety net in the form of a Tampa 2 zone that he began to reduce the repeated errors as a member of the Buccaneers.

Hall will be on an island as never before with the Raiders, who play predominantly man coverage. Oakland’s pass rush, to be kind, was spotty. End Derrick Burgess has seen his sack totals dwindle form 16 to 11 to 8 over the three years, and last year’s count was padded by a few cheap ones which came when a quarterback lost a yard on a scramble.

Unlike Moss, Hall will be playing under a new, lucrative contract which will pay him up to $25 million in guaranteed money and $30 million over three years, and ostensibly have some appreciation for it. Moss came in playing under an existing contract.

For all his flash, Hall is also considered to be a pretty good teammate who loves the give-and-take of the locker room and is an extremely hard worker who loves playing the game.

He is also only 24 years old. If Hall is as good as the Raiders think he is, it gives them the best cornerback tandem in the league, with only Champ Bailey and Dre’ Bly in Denver and Charles Woodson and Al Harris in Green Bay in the same ballpark.

Still, as the Raiders learned with Moss, it’s worth holding off on the police escort until there is something to celebrate beyond the acquisition of a major talent.

As of Thursday night, the Raiders were headed in the opposite direction, although they did manage to remove coach Lane Kiffin from the side of a milk carton long enough to say a few words.

“We’re very pleased about the acquisition of DeAngelo Hall to the Raiders,” Kiffin said in a statement. “This, following the offseason signings of Tommy Kelly and Gibril Wilson, we feel have one of the most talented defenses in the league.”

(No truth to the rumor defensive coordinator Rob Ryan issued a statement which said, “With the acquisitions of Javon Walker and Drew Carter, plus the signing of Justin Fargas and a full offseason for JaMarcus Russell, we feel we have one of the most talented offenses in the league.”)

The Raiders had not yet made plans to allow the local media to speak to Hall, limiting his comments to a well-cleansed quote and an in-house interview conducted by Raiders.com which is scheduled to be posted Friday.

“I met with Mr. Davis, Lane Kiffin and the defensive coaches and I’m excited to be joining the Raiders,” Hall said in the release. “To come out here and see all of the Hall of Famers walking around, their photos posted on the wall, the championships, it’s an amazing feeling to be a part of that history and be a part of making history. I’m also looking forward to playing with the talented players already there, Nnamdi (Asomugha), Stanford (Routt) who started at cornerback last year and also coming in with Gibril (Wilson). I look forward to making a contribution to the success of the Raiders.”

Also, there was this: “I’m in a Class A organization. I’m in love right now. Victory will take a lot of sorrow and weight off a person. As long as we’re winning, I’ll be happy.”

Oops. Sorry, that last quote was actually from Randy Moss at his “police escort” press conference a little more than three years ago.

So as is always the case with the Raiders, please stay tuned.
 
Jun 1, 2002
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« Hold the motorcadeA question of faith
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Friday, March 21st, 2008 at 12:53 pm in Oakland Raiders.

I went and did it again, failing to live up to my supposed obligation as a purveyor of positive vibes when it comes to the Raiders.

My take on the acquisition and signing of cornerback DeAngelo Hall was not upbeat and peppy enough, based on the reaction of much of the readership.

The condensed version _ it’s worth bringing aboard a two-time Pro Bowler when all you’re giving up are second and fifth-round draft picks. But it’s not a guarantee of success. Like Randy Moss, Hall was available for a reason, and the mere acquisition of a big-time talent does not ensure anything.

I get where many of you are coming from, or at least I think I do. The football offsason is kind of like baseball’s spring training. It’s a time of renewal, and Al Davis has done more renewing than any team in the NFL this offseason.

The last thing you want to read is why it might not work. By God, it’s Mike Haynes and Lester Hayes all over again, and nothing is going to stop the Raiders from regaining their place among the NFL’s elite.

My problem is I have no faith when it comes to the Raiders or any other sports organization, and here’s a news flash _ I never will.

Faith is defined as “belief that is not based on proof.”

I’ll freely admit this is not a faith-based site, at least not where I’m concerned. It is based on context, information, analysis and opinion.

What you’ll get here comes from my frame of reference of having covered the Raiders since they returned to Oakland in 1995.

If a good team is any team over .500, the Raiders have had three good teams. They’ve had three average teams (.500), one below average team (7-9 in 1996) and six teams have been downright awful (10 or more losses) including the last five in succession.

The Raiders have been back in Oakland for 13 seasons _ the same length of time they resided in Los Angeles. They won 59 percent of their games in L.A. (118-82) and 41.8 percent in Oakland (87-121).

If the Raiders were 121-87, instead of the other way around, then the context, analysis and opinion would obviously have a more optimistic tone. It’s not that complicated.

Instead, whatever can go wrong has gone wrong _ repeatedly, and it has happened so often that there was a strange sentiment among some veteran NFL people at the scouting combine in Indianapolis. They actually felt sorry for Davis.

That probably is not the case now, because Davis has opened up a lot of eyes around the league with a free-spending onslaught which has people thinking. He said a few years back during one of the Raiders many coaching changes that if there was a problem, he would “cut it out and dominate it.”

This year, Davis has taken charge of reshaping the roster, put coach Lane Kiffin in his place and done what the Raiders have always done with regard to the salary cap _ found ways around it and never used it as an excuse for failing to bring in a player they want.

I remember writing a cover story for a Super Bowl special section in 2002 about what it was like for Davis and the Raiders to be relevant and in the spotlight of the world’s biggest sporting event. I agree with John Madden’s assessment that the NFL is a much better league when the Raiders are good. They’ve always been great theater, but theater of the absurd over the past five years isn’t what anyone had in mind.

I think the high point of the last 13 years occurred on Jan. 6, 2001, when Tory James intercepted a pass against the Miami Dolphins and set sail for the end zone some 90 yards away. The Coliseum was shaking _ the loudest it’s been since they came back.

Lord knows it would be more nice to get back to that kind of work environment and writing about how the Raiders turned it all around, rather than the death spiral of the last 80 games.

You want to believe this offseason will change all that? As a fan, that’s what faith is all about. You’d like to think faith is occasionally rewarded.

I remember NFL Films making heroes out of Haynes and Hayes as well in the “Black Sunday” depiction of the 38-9 destruction of the Washington Redskins in the Super Bowl.

It’s easy to take the optimistic leap. Asomugha plays the role of the elegant, stylish Haynes, with Hall becoming the brash and boisterous Hayes.

Of course, another memorable part of that game was the beating inflicted upon the Redskins offensive line and Joe Theismann by the likes of Howie Long, Bill Pickel, Reggie Kinlaw, Lyle Alzado and Greg Townsend. When was the last time the Raiders truly beat up opposing quarterbacks over a series of games?

The 2008 Raiders have made a good faith effort to give their fans a better product.

But faith will get them nowhere without putting it together on the field, and the past 13 years leave me more skeptical than encouraged.

If Hall gets beat for three touchdowns in Week 1, rest assured many of you hailing the move now will be much harder on him than I will be. That’s part of being a fan as well. It’s fair game to beat up on your own brother, just don’t let anyone from outside the family do it.

Your dissent, as always, is welcomed and encouraged.

Discount pricing

The Raiders’ Web site is advertising some price reductions on authentic jerseys. A Randy Moss jersey which went for $199.99 can be had for $50. Jerry Porter and Phillip Buchanon have gone from $199.99 to $99. Warren Sapp fell from $199.99 to $135.00.

Of course, none of those players are with the Raiders.

What is interesting is that the Raiders have also slashed the prices of safety Michael Huff and running back LaMont Jordan, who both went from $199.99 to $139.99.

Huff was the subject of trade talk at the combine. Jordan, due $4.7 million in salary and is expected to be purged from the roster before training camp.

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The following exclusive rights free agents have been re-signed: LB Ricky Brown, LS Jon Condo, TE Jon Madsen, WR Chris McFoy and OT Mark Wilson.