Under the present conditions this may be applicable. However, we don't know what the conditions were like in the past, we can't "watch" the actual process of evolution, so 5k to 6k could be possible.
If this supposedly happened 5-6 thousand years ago, then yes, we do have a pretty good idea on what the conditions were like (based on fossils, etc.).
Nope, or else I wouldn’t have asked the questions.
Point to me, in the article, where the following questions were answered:
• How many people manned this boat? Was it 6 people?
• How did they build the boat, without cranes or factories, thousands of years ago?
• How long were they at sea?
• Not only would the boat have to be big enough to fit 32,000 species (including dinosaurs), it would have to accommodate all of the different types of food and water (without refrigeration)…
NOTE: The author makes some wild assumptions that God created “hibernation instinct for the animals on the Ark.” Of course we know this just silly since only a small percentage of species actually hibernate.
Another wild assumption he makes is “The Ark would probably have carried compressed and dried foodstuffs, and probably a lot of concentrated food.”
The point is, I simply gave you a link where someone did a bit of research, did the numbers game and came to the conclusion that it was possible to fit a large number of animals on the Ark.
Yes, I understand and I’m telling you, and whomever else, why I think his conclusions are bullshit/impossible.
Did I say I believed the numbers used? No
By posting the link it implies it.
Did I say I believed the author of the link? No.
See above.
Again, you said it was not possible, and I gave you something to the contrary.
And I’m refuting the author’s claims.
Btw, I am not backing away from anyone.
It certainly seems like it.
and backing away is something I'm not known for.
Then take this as a direct challenge.
I posted pics of petrified wood, but does that mean I believe the original pics that you posted were petrified wood?
It certainly implies it.
However, I WOULD like for you to exchange views with the author of the link.
Why? I can care less about some creationist wackjob that I don’t know. I enjoy posting and discussing topics here, on the siccness.
Besides, posting the link offers a different perspective on the subject, and different perspectives are always good.
Very true and I have no problem with posting links. However, there is nothing wrong with reading an article and discussing the contents.
Comrade, if I didn't know what I know I would agree with you. I would tell you that it is impossible for some "god" to tell some guy to make a boat so he and his family could escape some global flood. I would openly laugh at others and make a mockery of them and "god" right along with you.
I’d like to know, how it is, that HERESY knows this story of Noah to be true.
Obviously you understand the problems with this story. You know why logical thinkers reject it and why pure common sense says it’s impossible. And yet you believe it, why, if not for pure blind faith?
To imply that all scientists who believe contrary to what you are stating are wackjobs is pure evil.
Pure evil? Lmao.
A difference of opinion does not mean one is a wackjob and you are actually doing a diservice to the scientific community by promoting such a view.
It’s not a matter of a difference of opinion, HERESY, one “opinion” is based on fact (evidence that can be verified and tested through scientific means), and the other is not. Any credible scientist who rejects facts and replaces it with faith in religion is a “wackjob” (harsh language, perhaps) and is the one who is truly doing a disservice to the scientific community. And quite frankly you will not find many scientists that claim man walked with dinosaurs who does not have faith in God.
Those that believe dinosaurs walked with man have not presented any consistent scientific studies or data that suggest otherwise. They based their “research” on things that are
NOT considered scientific, such as:
• Anecdotal Evidence, i.e. hearsay.
• The Bible or other holy books.
• Faith.
As soon as unscientific means are introduced into the scientific community, it does the community a disservice. Calling someone within the scientific community a “wackjob” does not, perhaps a personal insult, but it does not harm the community in a whole (after all, it’s up to the “wackjob” or any scientist who makes a claim that contradicts a scientific law, to prove their theory, or at the very least provide evidence that backs them up).
You have credible scientist who believe in God, the bible, etc. These men have Ph.D's, experience, knowledge etc.
This statement is true but very rarely will you ever see any credible scientist attempt to prove outrageous stories like Noah’s Ark with scientific methods (because it is scientifically impossible!). All these people have to rely on is blind faith.
Brother, we live in a world were things are proven 100% true one day, but totally debunked 100% the next day.
2+2=4. This will not change. We have things that are scientifically proven and are scientific facts/laws. These do not change. When I drop a pencil it will always fall. This will never change as long as we are on earth.
. And speaking of global warming, have you ever thought about how it might have affected the "old world"?
5 thousand years ago?
Good. Then you will know that carbon dating is highly accurate up to approximately 50,000 years. If we’re discussing something that occurred 5,000 years ago, no problemo.
The scientific community in general. There is countless amounts of data that disprove a world flood.
can easily dispute EVERYTHING in your refutation.
No you cannot. And if you’re so confident, I challenge you to do so.
In fact I'll give you an example of a simple one, and this is why I really don't want to discuss the topic. You said:
The bible cleary states, "and of every living thing of all flesh"
Which came straight from the article you posted.
Now, I would like for you to define what "all flesh" is using the hebrew root words.
You tell me.
The point I am making is you should be very careful when you say the bible says this or that.
Again, it came straight from the article you provided, which is what I was refuting in the first place.
lso, you jumped from 16,000 SPECIES to to 32,000 SPECIES.
Yeah, that was my fuck up because I misread the authors words.
Why is this important? Well for starters 16,000 species is the number provided in the link, and proper reading of the link would not place you at 32k.
No shit Sherlock. It’s an irrelevant point comrade. I mistakenly said 32 instead of 16. Sorry, I’ll take the 16.
Again, comrade this is not something I am debating or somethign I wish to discuss
And yet you’re discussing it.
Yes, I made the comment and it was directed to another member of the board.
I really don’t care if it was directed at another member,
I chose to respond to your question. Makes no difference.
but the problem the both of you have is you have no way of actually telling if this is indeed Noahs Ark or not.
By proving that a world flood, and the entire idea of Noah’s Ark is not scientifically possible, disproves that this is Noah’s Ark.
In fact, you simply said the formations looked like ROCK, but after the wood pics were shown the both of you switched up.
HERESY, I already read the article from which the pictures I posted came from. They stated that some of it, they thought, was petrified wood. I was already aware of the claim and I switched nothing up. You posted links, which implies that this is what you think it is (even though you refused to confirm or deny your position).
Again, nothing you have provided has proven that the objects/formations are NOT Noahs Ark.
What I have provided disproves that the story behind Noah’s Ark is false.
The only thing you have disputed is the validity of the story. Big difference comrade
No world flood, no Noah’s Ark.
As I stated, at the very BEST, someone got his farm animals on a boat and survived a storm. Could this be true? Yes. Could the pictures provided be this boat? As of yet, there is no evidence that suggests this.
nitro said:
Right. Which is why (If I was an atheist) if someone said to me that God told a 500 year old man to build a boat, I would respond by telling them that there is no God, and no one could live to be 500; Not that that a 500 year old man could not physically build an Ark and put 16,000 animals onto it after God told him too.
Why? Were not debating the existence of god in this thread, were debating Noah’s Ark.
Formaldehyde Rx said:
This thread is a circle jerk.
Its becoming one.