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HERESY

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now honestly, take all the people who voted yes on 8 due to their belief of traditional man and woman marriage. now take out all the ones who are married that cheat on their spouse, take out all the ones who abuse their spouse physicly or emotionally, take out all the ones who are divorced, take out all the ones who are on their second and 3rd marriage.and of course "because thats what marriage is about in your eyes" take out all the ones who are married but dont want kids. if you could see that, you would see the hypocracy and the "traditonal" marriage............
Why does any of that matter and how does it contradict the concept of traditional marriage (which is between man and woman)? We can't go into vows and customs because those vary from culture to culture, so the only thing you can go by is marriage between male and female. How a marriage is supposed to work varies from culture to culture. So why it may be taboo for this culture to have divorce, it may be totally acceptable for this other one to practice polygamy. Also, homosexuals do the exact same thing you listed, yet they wouldn't be considered "traditional" so what's your point here?
 
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Why does any of that matter and how does it contradict the concept of traditional marriage (which is between man and woman)? We can't go into vows and customs because those vary from culture to culture, so the only thing you can go by is marriage between male and female. Also, homosexuals do the exact same thing you listed, yet they wouldn't be considered "traditional" so what's your point here?


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Just curious...but how old is your daughter...and how does she know about gay people?

Have you told her that it is ok if she chooses to marry a girl?
my daughter is 9. she knows about gays from many outlets, of course me not wanting to shelter her, i dont cover her ears and eyes when something "gay" comes about. the other day she told me what a lesbian is, her friend told her at school............it doesnt bother me.........she knows what gay is but doesnt know what sex is, she just thinks sex is a bad word..........

just like no one is gonna convince you that two people of the same sex should marry, no one is gonna convince me to give a shit.........


and no i havent told her its ok to marry a girl.........what the hells the point of that? my daughters half filipino and half mexican, i didnt tell her its ok to marry a filipino........if she does then she does.........


do you think if your kids gay and you tell them its bad to marry the same sex that there magicly gonna stop being gay?

every kid learns science in school, the whole god damn 12 years...... how many people grow up to be scientists?
 
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So why it may be taboo for this culture to have divorce, it may be totally acceptable for this other one to practice polygamy. Also, homosexuals do the exact same thing you listed, yet they wouldn't be considered "traditional" so what's your point here?

you said it, this culture............i dont care about how they do it in India.........

as far as your second question, gays aint the ones arguing to keep marriage "traditional" and "sacred"........thats the point there..........
 
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What brings you to the conclusion that it isn't a choice?
I just do. There are many things behind why I think it is not a choice for the MOST part. However, I have met women who h ave "chosen" to be gay.

Also, you're under the assumption that if it is a choice, all people who chose to live the lifestyle would be ridiculed, outcasted, and looked upon by the majority of americans, but have you considered the possibility that these people don't give a fuck about what people think about them?

http://www.queerbychoice.com/
Possibly, but look at the Siccness as a sample size. It seems that there are MANY outspoken on here that do NOT like homosexuals.

On top of that, can you CHOOSE who you get "butterfiles" for? You can not FORCE yourself to ignore feelings for a woman, just becuase you WANT to be gay.
 

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@Foul Mouth you said:

you said it, this culture............i dont care about how they do it in India.........
It doesn't matter. You were listing things as if only heterosexual couples do them. My point was homosexuals do the same thing you listed.

as far as your second question, gays aint the ones arguing to keep marriage "traditional" and "sacred"........thats the point there..........
You speak for all gays?

http://www.beliefnet.com/News/2004/05/A-Gay-Mans-Case-Against-Gay-Marriage.aspx
 

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I just do. There are many things behind why I think it is not a choice for the MOST part. However, I have met women who h ave "chosen" to be gay.
For now on if you ever ask me to post any evidence or prove what I'm saying, I'm going to simply say "I just do". I'm going to do it three times, so I'm letting you know right now what the case is so you won't complain when you see it. :ermm:

Possibly, but look at the Siccness as a sample size. It seems that there are MANY outspoken on here that do NOT like homosexuals.
I can't look at the siccness as a sample size as it does not give an accurate representation of society.

On top of that, can you CHOOSE who you get "butterfiles" for? You can not FORCE yourself to ignore feelings for a woman, just becuase you WANT to be gay.
No, what you can do is become bisexual. However, I'm not talking about forcing yourself to ignore anything. I'm simply saying, once again, that it's genetic and choice and that environment plays a role in it.
 
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@Foul Mouth you said:



It doesn't matter. You were listing things as if only heterosexual couples do them. My point was homosexuals do the same thing you listed.



You speak for all gays?

http://www.beliefnet.com/News/2004/05/A-Gay-Mans-Case-Against-Gay-Marriage.aspx

my bad, let me rephrase my first comment. im talking about this culture, other countries are erelevant............i dont know why im explaining that part, your just trying to be difficult..........


your other comment,one gay guys opinion doesnt speak volume for gays in general. you know that. theres misfits in every community...........i dont know why im explaining that either, you already know............you know what i said is true yet your trying to de-rail it...........i know how you work player......
 
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No, what you can do is become bisexual. However, I'm not talking about forcing yourself to ignore anything. I'm simply saying, once again, that it's genetic and choice and that environment plays a role in it.

thats my point, for some reason, your smart enough and have done enough science to "know" that you can become bi-sexual, that its genetic and a choice and environment plays a role, thats amazing, why havent you accepted your Nobel Prize?...........i think, and i have to show you proof, yet you know and all you show is bias studies or theories.im sure your an intelligant dude, yet i wouldnt think that if all i read from you was on this thread.........im actually suprised.......
 

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my bad, let me rephrase my first comment. im talking about this culture, other countries are erelevant............i dont know why im explaining that part, your just trying to be difficult..........
No, I'm not being difficult. You don't know how to properly articulate or convey what it is you believe. However, I "get" what you're saying, I just don't buy it. Again, you were listing things as if only heterosexual couples do them. My point was homosexuals do the same things you listed. I'm saying none of what you listed contradicted the concept of a "traditional marriage" because when you look at it in simplist form, the concept of traditional marriage is between a man and woman. Everything you listed are failures in making good choices, and have nothing to do with the concept of a traditional marriage.

your other comment,one gay guys opinion doesnt speak volume for gays in general.
So who made you the spokesperson for the gay community? You said gays don't do a certain thing, and I'm saying not all gays do what you claim they do. I'm sure if you do the proper search you'll find more gay people with views similar to his.

...........i dont know why im explaining that either, you already know............you know what i said is true yet your trying to de-rail it...........i know how you work player......
Why is it true? Because you said it? And what do you mean you know how I work? I'm quoting you and replying to the quote. I'm not taking any words out of context and I'm supplying information from BOTH SIDES that contradict the views held by some of the people in this thread.

Is it a crime?
 

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thats my point, for some reason, your smart enough and have done enough science to "know" that you can become bi-sexual, that its genetic and a choice and environment plays a role, thats amazing, why havent you accepted your Nobel Prize?...........i think, and i have to show you proof, yet you know and all you show is bias studies or theories.im sure your an intelligant dude, yet i wouldnt think that if all i read from you was on this thread.........im actually suprised.......

When people feel as if they've lost they resort to attacks. This is your thread, take a look at the evidence or links you provided...
 
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Are you attaching emos with being gay?
No I am not attaching Emos to Gays in any way.

You said no one would just choose a path of ridicule, yet we can both agree that no one is born an emo but at some point for some reason they choose a path of ridicule.

If you were to argue that society shuns people into making the choice to become an Emo and subject themselves to further ridicule, then why couldn't an external factor similiarly influence someone to make a decision to become gay?
 
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When people feel as if they've lost they resort to attacks. This is your thread, take a look at the evidence or links you provided...
im not attacking you. i said its funny how you know and i think, i need to show proof of my opinion, but you dont prove your fact.........thats what it is.......

im not being the spokeperson for the gays. im throwing my logic out there. again, you say im being the spokes person, what are you being? your good with words, like Obama.now go ahead and throw something at me again.........links dont make you right, as you can see, your good at throwing links, yet they dont make you right.......
i dont want to say your taking words out of context, you just dig into shit more then you have to..........i also get what you say, and like you, i dont buy it........we're gonna have to agree to disagree.
 
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Im really try to make this my last post. I am not a religious person but I was brought up in the church.
To compare discrimination of homosexuals and race in the same sentence is complete bullshit, one pertains to choice one doesnt. and race and sexual persuasion are uncomparable things.
I dont know if there is a gay gene or peopel choose but,

They deserve absolutely no special rights to justify or try to glorify there lifestyle. A person has every right to discriminate agaisnt a persons sexuality.
Homos should be able to live with there decesion in peace, they should not be rewarded and uplifted by society. I think alot of people turn to homosexuality because of depression, confusion, sexual awkwardness, childhood molestation, and other reasons dealing with the mental state. To say homosexuality is ok, is to unreasonably justify it. I got no gay friends, dont know any gay people, kinda stay away from em, but i think hella dudes are gay cuz people tell em its ok to be gay.
Kinda long but fags piss me off, especially cuz there good at politics for some reason
some people would say this is a phobia b/c you are repressing your own true sexuality, not me though.