New World Order Monetary System

[ThaG]

This thread is pathetic. The only person offering any type of actual argument to thag is I Pukokeki Ioulo Momu. Everyone else is relying on throwing insults and basing their argument on "i disagree with him, so i hope thag dies" lol

How is wishing death on Thag based on his pov, any better or worse than him suggesting infanticide as a solution to the growing problem of population control? Both arguments end in death.

I am not suggesting this as a solution, I say that it will be necessary to do whether we like it or not, because people are too ignorant to control their own numbers.

BTW, this has been practiced throughout human history in various cultures, and is still practiced today, although for different reasons (female infants in India are often killed because males are more valuable in their culture)

If you disagree with what he said than provide some argument why he is incorrect or some evidence that fetus "are people" or that they show more cognitive ability than thag is suggesting. Even better, ask him how he came to the seemingly arbitrary conclusion that the criteria for selection would be cognitive ability because there is no pre-established way to go about a depopulation process so anyone's argument could have as much validity as another's argument.

For example; just going off the thag's argument that a fetus has no cognitive ability a simple google search produced a study on fetal cognitive development and suggests

I am not suggesting that type of cognitive ability as the criteria, I am suggesting that an organism that belongs to the Homo sapiens species but still isn't a person can and should be disposed of if this is for the greater good of the species. And how you define what a person is is debatable, but a baby certainly isn't, because it lacks the experience, knowledge and cognitive abilities that make adults persons. Of course, one can argue that many adults don't pass these criteria either, which is most definitely true, but this is regrettable feature of the reality we live in that we should aim to eradicate, not something we should base our thinking around.

I will try to phrase it this way: few people have any problems with killing cows, pigs, chickens and other animals. More, but still very few people are concerned about killing chimpanzees, gorillas and orangutans, although those are are closest relatives. Then why should people object to the destruction of a mass of cells that is by no means more advanced in its cognitive development than a chimp, just because it happens to have almost the same 2 sets of 3.1 billion base pairs of DNA as the rest of us, whether it has came out of the uterus or not? It has the potential to become something at an advanced level of cognitive development, but so do the hundreds of millions of spermatozoids each of us kills every time we ejaculate.

All of that, when keeping it alive and giving it the same "rights" as the rest of us, only drives us towards extinction.... It is just insane...

 

[ThaG]

What makes you say that?

Because it seems impossible to me to be concerned about overpopulation and be opposed to depopulation. Which is what my impression is regarding your views.

Anyway, I am very interested to hear what you suggest as solutions

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

I will be honest, i have no attachments to fetuses, ie when a "baby" is still in the womb. I do, however, have a problem once that fetus becomes a human OUTSIDE the womb, ie once it is delivered. Why? Becuase it is NOT "there" It is self-aware. It is IN YOUR FACE. Out of sight, out of mind.

The problem is, we do not know when consciousness becomes a part of the human psyche. If we were able to tackle this, we can then look at when it is "rightfully justified" to kill an infant for "the greater good".

And i will say this one last time, for everyone....human nature is something that is not only nearly impossible to overturn, but will NOT overturn on a massive scale. Anytime talks about a mass forced extinction of humans, will be looked at as a non-viable option, point blank. If anyone REALLY thinks that a large percentage of the populaiton will one day ADHERE to depopulation AT WILL, you are not thinking LOGICALLY.

Ever hear the phrase "everyone wants to go to heaven, but no one wants to die"?

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

Because it seems impossible to me to be concerned about overpopulation and be opposed to depopulation. Which is what my impression is regarding your views.

Yet, you didnt stop to see that i AGREE with the idea that populating needs to STOP.

I also value human life...actually, ALL life...therefore i do not condone "picking and choosing" who would go and who wouldnt. The fact that you do not see a problem with that logic is one of the reasons so many people think you are a selfish, imperlaistic prick that has the personality of a robot.

One has to think what your personal life is like in regards to "living". Do you enjoy ANYTHING? I know you do, becuase you post HERE...a gangsta rap website. You came here for a reason, and i do not think it was to post in a GOM forum. There are dozens of message boards made for specific topics such as science, and you post here.

Anyway, I am very interested to hear what you suggest as solutions

Lets be honest here, what difference does it make? You, nor i, can fortell the future...that is the bottom line to EVERYTHING. Just becuase we THINK we have the solution, does not mean it will 100% WORK. What happens if a plan does come around...and it FAILS? We then deprived people of certain things becuase the future is uncertain. Period. The end. There is no ARGUMENT to counter that. Until we can build a time machine, the future is UNFORSEEABLE.

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

I am male

Are you suggesting that man can not be sterilized?

http://www.birth-control-comparison.info/vasectomy.htm

 

[ThaG]

And i will say this one last time, for everyone....human nature is something that is not only nearly impossible to overturn, but will NOT overturn on a massive scale. Anytime talks about a mass forced extinction of humans, will be looked at as a non-viable option, point blank. If anyone REALLY thinks that a large percentage of the populaiton will one day ADHERE to depopulation AT WILL, you are not thinking LOGICALLY.

Ever hear the phrase "everyone wants to go to heaven, but no one wants to die"?

I know. That's why we're doomed. But that does not mean we should not debate what should be done. And once again, we can still avoid the dieoff, we just have to stop reproducing.

 

[ThaG]

Are you suggesting that man can not be sterilized?

http://www.birth-control-comparison.info/vasectomy.htm

I know that very well, but from a depopulation point of view, this is very ineffective because males do not give birth, while a single one of them can impregnate thousands of women. I.e., if you believe that people are monogamous and women will not fuck the neighbor's wife, then this has a chance to work, but this is an unrealistic assumption

 

[ThaG]

Yet, you didnt stop to see that i AGREE with the idea that populating needs to STOP.

I also value human life...actually, ALL life...therefore i do not condone "picking and choosing" who would go and who wouldnt. The fact that you do not see a problem with that logic is one of the reasons so many people think you are a selfish, imperlaistic prick that has the personality of a robot.

One has to think what your personal life is like in regards to "living". Do you enjoy ANYTHING? I know you do, becuase you post HERE...a gangsta rap website. You came here for a reason, and i do not think it was to post in a GOM forum. There are dozens of message boards made for specific topics such as science, and you post here.

And I also post there, most of the time.

I've said this before - the reason why I post here is because we, as scientists, have collectively miserably failed to communicate with the general public. If we stay on our message boards, debating things between ourselves, this will not change. So diving into the ocean of ignorance that the vast majority of Siccness members represent is a good training in communicating difficult to communicate ideas to a cognitively impaired audience

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

I know. That's why we're doomed. But that does not mean we should not debate what should be done. And once again, we can still avoid the dieoff, we just have to stop reproducing.

And as i said, i agree with this. It is something that should have been implemented YEARS ago. At one point, it was logical to have many children, as to help with manual labor before the industrial revolution.

I know that very well, but from a depopulation point of view, this is very ineffective because males do not give birth, while a single one of them can impregnate thousands of women. I.e., if you believe that people are monogamous and women will not fuck the neighbor's wife, then this has a chance to work, but this is an unrealistic assumption

I dont understand. It appeared that you didnt agree with male sterilization, when that in fact is WHAT needs to be done. If you can not STOP the men from fucking, you can at LEAST stop them from planting seeds.

And I also post there, most of the time.

I figured you did, but this message board is prodominately for ENTERTAINMENT, not for serious discussion, aside from this forum.

I've said this before - the reason why I post here is because we, as scientists, have collectively miserably failed to communicate with the general public. If we stay on our message boards, debating things between ourselves, this will not change. So diving into the ocean of ignorance that the vast majority of Siccness members represent is a good training in communicating difficult to communicate ideas to a cognitively impaired audience

Well, for one, if you are still a student in school, you are NOT a scientist. You are a STUDENT of science.

And no offense, but trying to preach here, is like being the smartest kid on the short bus. Its not really a big accomplishment and you will get no where. You may find a few "sheep" on here that will hang on your every word, but eventually, they will make up their own minds.

Forcing your ideas, beliefs, and precitions on people = not the business.Providing information is one thing, which you do, but when you start passing out your opinions as the undismissed fact of all facts, thats when people get testy. Just becuase you THINK you have all the answers, does not mean you DO. See how that works?

Look, there is no doubt that you are very intelligent in the category of science...but you are very dumb in the field of the human psyche/mind and the basic common knowldge of everyday, human nature and interaction. We are NOT robots. Even if a human DOES act as a robot, it is becuase they have been trained as such, and can just as easily be broken of that trance.

 

[Mr. Nice Guy]

And I also post there, most of the time.

I've said this before - the reason why I post here is because we, as scientists, have collectively miserably failed to communicate with the general public. If we stay on our message boards, debating things between ourselves, this will not change. So diving into the ocean of ignorance that the vast majority of Siccness members represent is a good training in communicating difficult to communicate ideas to a cognitively impaired audience

LOL



Our Savior!!!

 

[ThaG]

I dont understand. It appeared that you didnt agree with male sterilization, when that in fact is WHAT needs to be done. If you can not STOP the men from fucking, you can at LEAST stop them from planting seeds.

I will put it in semi-quantitative terms. You will always fail to sterilize x% of the population. Let's assume you only sterilize either the males or the females. Let's assume that a single male can produce an M number of offspring while a single woman can produce W. Clearly W is orders of magnitudes smaller than M. That's why the effect of the sterilization program will be orders of magnitudes greater if you sterilize the women and leave the men fertile than if you do the opposite.

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

I will put it in semi-quantitative terms. You will always fail to sterilize x% of the population. Let's assume you only sterilize either the males or the females. Let's assume that a single male can produce an M number of offspring while a single woman can produce W. Clearly W is orders of magnitudes smaller than M. That's why the effect of the sterilization program will be orders of magnitudes greater if you sterilize the women and leave the men fertile than if you do the opposite.

Fair enough. I think both ways are fine, but it comes down to which sterilization method is most effective, tying the tubed of men...or of women. I know that vasectemy's can sometimes "not take", but so can tubal sterilization.

 

[ColdBlooded]

And no offense, but trying to preach here, is like being the smartest kid on the short bus.

Shit! Did I lose my title?

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

Shit! Did I lose my title?

Well, i think its safe to say you at the very least MISSED the bus.

 

[Mr. Nice Guy]

Fair enough. I think both ways are fine, but it comes down to which sterilization method is most effective, tying the tubed of men...or of women. I know that vasectemy's can sometimes "not take", but so can tubal sterilization.

So is that your solution to the problem of overpopulation?

 

[ColdBlooded]

Who picks who gets sterilized and who gets to reproduce?

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

So is that your solution to the problem of overpopulation?

Nope. It is A solution, but i did not come up with it. The method in which to go about it may be harsh, but there may be alternatives to look into. I do feel that it is the most "humane" solution to the problem, in that you are not killing anyone at random.

However, you can not stop conception for long. You have to be able to have kids in order to carry on the human race.

 

[Home-E]

And once again, we can still avoid the dieoff, we just have to stop reproducing.

This is the only moral option we have, but it should not be implemented through forced sterilization. It should be every couple's personal responsibility to only have one child. Granted, it's not as effective but it's the only way to avoid problems like the one Mr. Rictus brought up.

 

[ThaG]

This is the only moral option we have, but it should not be implemented through forced sterilization. It should be every couple's personal responsibility to only have one child. Granted, it's not as effective but it's the only way to avoid problems like the one Mr. Rictus brought up.

If you know a way to persuade people allover the world, including the fundamentalist in the Bible belt, the Middle East and South Asia, and those living in 80% illiteracy in sub-Saharan Africa, and do this in the next 10 years so that we can avoid hitting the 10 billion mark, please tell us

 

[james blunt]

I know. That's why we're doomed. But that does not mean we should not debate what should be done. And once again, we can still avoid the dieoff, we just have to stop reproducing.

best way to reduce the birth rate is to indusrialize the greater part of world and raise standard of living for all of humanity.and don't come with that globelwarming bullshit you genocidel fool.