Miguel Cotto vs Antonio Margarito set for July 26th

[MOREBASS]

I don't get how people are writing off Cotto so easily.


In my honest opinion, you're greatness as a fighter has a lot to do with how well you bounce back from a tough loss. Just like this one.

Cotto will be back, and I think with some adjustments, he could definitely give Tony another great fight.

What he does from here is going to determine his legacy, not this fight alone...in which he put up a valiant effort against a much bigger, stronger, and more determined man.

 

[m.w.merlino]

I agree with you. I've seen Cotto really develop into a great fighter. Honestly I didn't like him at first, but after Judah I became a fan. Then I watched all his old fights and basically watched him getter better with every fight.

I was pretty impressed with how he handled Judah, those low blows were bullshit but very funny.

I think it was a good sign against mosley though that margarito was a bad opponent for him. At 147 he doesn't have the same power as he did at 140, and he got hurt and ran out of gas at the end of mosley fight, difference was he was able to out box mosley and keep him at bay when he was in trouble. Margarito is a different kind of beast all together though - he doesn't get hurt, he doesn't get tired and he never stops punching. that's tough for anyone to handle, especially if you're smaller. I think cotto underestimated his chin. Also, because of margarito's nonstop punching, cotto couldn't get off body shots, he would have left himself wide open for uppercuts. I don't think he anticipated that either.

I didn't notice him running out of gas against Mosley but he just handled Margarito with the wrong game plan. I was floored watching that fight, I was waiting for Margarito to waver or get stunned and it never fucking came. By round 5 I was on the edge of my seat, I realized Marg's wasn't getting hurt and that Cotto was starting to get hurt...

What do you think he should do if they rematch? And how the fuck did Clottey survive the full 12?

 

[REdRUM]

I think it's because none of them are mexican.

Neither is Oscar. What's your point?

 

[2-0-Sixx]

What do you think he should do if they rematch? And how the fuck did Clottey survive the full 12?

I've been thinking about that....he did a lot of good things in the fight, so for the most part stick to the same plan, just a few things I'd make adjustments on. For one, he needs to focus on his training on going the full 12 rounds. He always looks in fantastic shape, but I don't know how much focus is on conditioning. That should definitely be a priority. Another thing is that he may have started off too fast. He didn't pace himself that well. Also, he got backed into the ropes way too often which is when Margarito did the most damage. Instead of moving, he tried to be Pernell Whittaker at times, which worked sometimes but other times he paid the price. Move to the side - lateral movement. All this easier said then done of course

 

[Tony]

Yeah I think Cotto did a great job of boxing and I had him winning if he would have finished. I think he should try to knock Margarito out. Margarito keeps coming and he's right there... you don't have to chase him or run him down. Stand your ground and knock that mf out. Like 06 said it's easier said than done of course.

 

[Tony]

Neither is Oscar. What's your point?

You must be seriously noddin' off the heroin man... To my knowledge Oscar is mexican. Like I said, I "think" he doesn't want to fight a fellow mexican as his farewell fight so stop acting like a stupid mf. Only Oscar and his promoters know...

 

[REdRUM]

I had Cotto up 5-1 after 6...and it went downhill from there. I actually had it tied after 10, but had a couple close rounds that could have gone either way, and I expected the judges to give those to Cotto.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

I had him up by a point or two. He won the 10th round I thought since he dominated 2:50 of the round, then got caught with a couple good shots at the end of the round.

 

[REdRUM]

You must be seriously noddin' off the heroin man... To my knowledge Oscar is mexican. Like I said, I "think" he doesn't want to fight a fellow mexican as his farewell fight so stop acting like a stupid mf. Only Oscar and his promoters know...

Oscar may have been born a Mexican, but ask a Mexican boxing fan if they feel he's a ''Mexican Boxer''...and 9 times out of 10, you'll get a resounding "NO".

Oscar doesn't want to fight a fellow Mexican as his farewell fight? What would that have to do with anything??? He relished the thought of fighting an old Julio Cesar Chavez, so he could beat him while he was in his prime, and loved fighting Fernando Vargas, and fought many other Mexican fighters, like Miguel Angel Gonzalez.

He wants Manny because of the fact that Manny's so small compared to his naturally bigger frame, wants absolutely nothing to do with Margarito.

If Bernard Hopkins can knock De La Hoya out, Margarito might hit him so hard, his pussy would rip open.

And if little Stevie Forbes can make him look like he was beaten by the LAPD, Margarito would probably knock his head off.

You're putting too much stock into an older, slower, shadow of Oscar.

 

[Tony]

Just like you put too much stock in old washed up Castillo... remember when you said he wasn't washed up after Hatton knocked him out? The Castillo that battled with Corrales would have killed Hatton. What has Castillo done since getting KO'd by Hatton? Looks like I was right about (Castillo being washed up) huh...

If you feel that way about Oscar not being Mexican then that's on you. He drew heavy criticism for fighting Chavez and the other mexican great fighters.

He relished the thought of fighting an old Julio Cesar Chavez, so he could beat him while he was in his prime, and loved fighting Fernando Vargas, and fought many other Mexican fighters, like Miguel Angel Gonzalez.

That's why I said I think he doesn't want to fight a mexican fighter for his farewell fight. See the point now?

 

[Tony]

I had him up by a point or two. He won the 10th round I thought since he dominated 2:50 of the round, then got caught with a couple good shots at the end of the round.

I had Cotto up by two points too or even three. It was a tough fight to score but it was more of a judgemental thing. Either you liked the pressure that Margarito was putting on or you liked the cleaner punches that Cotto was landing. Cotto was landing punches at will... scoring in combonations and he was even snapping Margarito head back and sideways. I was more impressed with Cotto's ring general ship and therefore I had him ahead on my cards. Just when I picked him to win, he lost.

 

[REdRUM]

I had Cotto up by two points too or even three. It was a tough fight to score but it was more of a judgemental thing. Either you liked the pressure that Margarito was putting on or you liked the cleaner punches that Cotto was landing. Cotto was landing punches at will... scoring in combonations and he was even snapping Margarito head back and sideways. I was more impressed with Cotto's ring general ship and therefore I had him ahead on my cards. Just when I picked him to win, he lost.

I can probably agree with everything you said, except for the ''ring generalship" part; I think Cotto was boxing supurbly, but was backing up way more than he wanted to, due to the pressure.

I couldn't believe at the beginning of the fight how few punches Margarito was throwing/landing, and how good Cotto looked. I thought Cotto looked VERY impressive...and then Margarito kept getting stronger, and Cotto had no answer.

 

[Tony]

After the first few rounds I thought Cotto was going to have an easy time. But somewhere in those mid-rounds I believe Margarito landed some hard body shots and that's when Cotto began to fade. But I did notice how Cotto fought his way out of the corner hella times. I thought he was going to get tore up in the corner but then he would answer with nice flurries. He was putting his punches together really well.

 

[REdRUM]

The thing about Cotto is that his flurries aren't pitty-pat punches; he punches to hurt you, not to look good. Yet Margarito was walking through them. He felt them, but they didn't hurt him.

I thought through the first 6 rounds or so, Cotto would just be too much of a boxer for the punches to handle. I'm glad I was wrong.

 

[Tony]

Speaking of Castillo, I just seen that he's fighting soon... tonight I believe.

"Normally routine weigh-ins have extra intrigue when Jose Luis Castillo is involved. Today everything was good as the former two-time WBC lightweight champion weighed in at 146.4 pounds, while Sebastian Lujan scaled in at 146.6 for Wednesday night's ESPN2-televised welterweight ten-rounder at the Sycuan Resort in El Cajon, California."

 

[REdRUM]

Thanks for reminding me; I had forgot about it. LOL

I would have remembered later. Castillo is one of my favorite fighters, and I'm still in shock that he was ko'd by Hatton. Fucking Brit.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

speaking of Sebastian Lujan, this is what Margarito did to him:

Kinda looks like Cotto doesn't it?

 

[REdRUM]

JUST SAW THAT PICTURE about 5 minutes ago, and thought the same thing. LOL!

I hope Castillo does that to his face.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

I wouldn't be shocked if he took a dive against Hatton. He was/is in serious financial debt

 

[REdRUM]

I was just so surprised that he couldn't make it back up.

And he looked pathetic. Not the same fighter I'm used to.