McGregor vs Mayweather 8/26/17
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rewatched again with no volume. i give Floyd the 9th.
dont know what you guys were watching but i know why the boxing community cant appreciate what Conor did. if boxing community gives dap to Conor, then they think every mma fighter will think they can box with the top. its all that dumb ass boxing vs mma troll shit.
dont know what you guys were watching but i know why the boxing community cant appreciate what Conor did. if boxing community gives dap to Conor, then they think every mma fighter will think they can box with the top. its all that dumb ass boxing vs mma troll shit.
Is that the ONLY round you gave Floyd or not?
Go to r/boxing for example and you'll see most people giving Conor props. Very few are not appreciating what he did and almost everyone says it was entertaining.
I think if you're only giving Floyd two rounds then you're not appreciating what Floyd does in the ring or at least not understanding how Boxing works as a sport.
Go to r/boxing for example and you'll see most people giving Conor props. Very few are not appreciating what he did and almost everyone says it was entertaining.
I think if you're only giving Floyd two rounds then you're not appreciating what Floyd does in the ring or at least not understanding how Boxing works as a sport.
yes. other than the stoppage rd.
i been watching boxing since the 80's. pro and olympic. its not hard to understand, at all. i understand it the most out of any combat sport. i think boxing should be mandatory at all mma gyms, and if you dont go to an "all in one" mma gym, you should really think about hiring a pure boxing coach if you want to fight mma. theres reasons why boxing hasnt made a huge dent in mma yet, and thats cus the first UFC and the rest is evolution of fighting. mma striking evolution is going toward the direction of incorporating boxing skills. Conor didnt start it, but he respects the sport and knows how to incorporate it in a time where everyone already trains bjj, cus of UFC 1. i understand boxing and appreciate it.
i been watching boxing since the 80's. pro and olympic. its not hard to understand, at all. i understand it the most out of any combat sport. i think boxing should be mandatory at all mma gyms, and if you dont go to an "all in one" mma gym, you should really think about hiring a pure boxing coach if you want to fight mma. theres reasons why boxing hasnt made a huge dent in mma yet, and thats cus the first UFC and the rest is evolution of fighting. mma striking evolution is going toward the direction of incorporating boxing skills. Conor didnt start it, but he respects the sport and knows how to incorporate it in a time where everyone already trains bjj, cus of UFC 1. i understand boxing and appreciate it.
It doesnt matter what you or any MMA fan says about what Floyd will or would not do in the cage. It holds no weight and is irrelevant. What we do know is Conor doesnt gbelong in the ring with Floyd. Thats a fact. Also the fact that you think Floyd only won 1 round, has me wondering why I am even wasting my time responding to you lmao!! I like laughing though so keep it coming. Im sure glad you arent a boxing ref or we would be in a world of trouble. Got Em!!
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Same here.
Well, if you only gave Floyd one single round prior to the stoppage then I would have to say you are not understanding. This is most likely the most absurd score I've seen on the Sicc and I've seen some shit before.
From rounds 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 Floyd outlanded McGregor. Landed a higher percentage. You said earlier the object is to hit and not get hit, well here we have Floyd doing both. Round 4 he also landed a higher percentage but landed about the same punches (the punch stats say both landed 12, if you want to use stats).
What was Conor doing to win rounds? Floyd was walking him down and being more agressive. He was dictating the fight, aka ring generalship, in all of these rounds. So how can Conor have won all of these rounds? He wasn't landing anything significant, so it's not like he was being outlanded but landed a huge shot that won him a round or something like that. So you're giving him credit for dodging punches? Even though Floyd was making Conor miss and only land about 24% of his punches?
The rest of your post has nothing to do with scoring the fight.
Well, if you only gave Floyd one single round prior to the stoppage then I would have to say you are not understanding. This is most likely the most absurd score I've seen on the Sicc and I've seen some shit before.
From rounds 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 Floyd outlanded McGregor. Landed a higher percentage. You said earlier the object is to hit and not get hit, well here we have Floyd doing both. Round 4 he also landed a higher percentage but landed about the same punches (the punch stats say both landed 12, if you want to use stats).
What was Conor doing to win rounds? Floyd was walking him down and being more agressive. He was dictating the fight, aka ring generalship, in all of these rounds. So how can Conor have won all of these rounds? He wasn't landing anything significant, so it's not like he was being outlanded but landed a huge shot that won him a round or something like that. So you're giving him credit for dodging punches? Even though Floyd was making Conor miss and only land about 24% of his punches?
The rest of your post has nothing to do with scoring the fight.
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i guess. i cant see your perception. a lotta people have that view right now tho. what makes you think that?
did his style throw you off? are you looking at it through a modern textbook boxing typa view when he's not throwing or standing or moving "technically" correct for a boxing match? i understand that perception. but this whole thread got shit about that prior to Saturday. even to very very very casual boxing fans, McGregor looked like a goof in there and like he didnt belong. replay that whole fight in the octagon and Conor wouldnt've looked goofy. niether would have Floyd. he boxed. he didnt look like a boxer but every point he scored was a boxing point. his slipping hella Floyd punches is boxing shit. his clinch was boxing shit. even him going behind Floyd to attack was boxing shit. ref didnt seem to mind but he started breakin it cus he thought Floyd was purposely turning around, which is considered to not safely defend. Floyd wasnt turning his back like that but he just didnt know what was goin on. he didnt deserve to be in there with Floyd but he belonged.
did his style throw you off? are you looking at it through a modern textbook boxing typa view when he's not throwing or standing or moving "technically" correct for a boxing match? i understand that perception. but this whole thread got shit about that prior to Saturday. even to very very very casual boxing fans, McGregor looked like a goof in there and like he didnt belong. replay that whole fight in the octagon and Conor wouldnt've looked goofy. niether would have Floyd. he boxed. he didnt look like a boxer but every point he scored was a boxing point. his slipping hella Floyd punches is boxing shit. his clinch was boxing shit. even him going behind Floyd to attack was boxing shit. ref didnt seem to mind but he started breakin it cus he thought Floyd was purposely turning around, which is considered to not safely defend. Floyd wasnt turning his back like that but he just didnt know what was goin on. he didnt deserve to be in there with Floyd but he belonged.
who gives a fuck about a siccness criteria. and who lives by one?
that portion i think you are referring to is nothing but my personal argument against your comment that i dont understand or appreciate boxing or Floyd. you say i must not understand boxing if i gave Floyd 1 rd. i say you do understand boxing you just dont know how to compute what you saw.
im not sure what you were watching, but i know it threw you off. i dont care about the stats. im sure they were thrown off too. i know the scoring was.
i dont know what you were watching so none of this is relevant. im sure you think the same about my opinion, so we'll just leave it as is.
that portion i think you are referring to is nothing but my personal argument against your comment that i dont understand or appreciate boxing or Floyd. you say i must not understand boxing if i gave Floyd 1 rd. i say you do understand boxing you just dont know how to compute what you saw.
im not sure what you were watching, but i know it threw you off. i dont care about the stats. im sure they were thrown off too. i know the scoring was.
i dont know what you were watching so none of this is relevant. im sure you think the same about my opinion, so we'll just leave it as is.
What? LMao! Dude what I mean after reading all of that is Floyd toyed with him and let him do what he did the first couple of rounds to please his fans and make it look like he was in for a fight while also getting his timing down. Then once that was done he basically said game over and walked him down until he couldnt take no more. Thats why he didnt belong in the ring with the Goat! Got Em!!
i appreciate everybodys scores. a lot of fans and casual fight party viewers think Conor got mopped up, and i dont care either way. but i do know they'll be boxing coaches studying this fight and Conor's mma fights to see if they can get anything out of them to offer a different look (even subtly) against an opponent. thats what the games all about. they'll have to really reverse engineer Conor's mma fights to find anything but Conor was usin his orthodox and southpaw lead hand/jab like Nick Diaz. i dont think there gonna find that in Conor fights.
Homie, I don't think you REALLY understand boxing. Floyd put on a clinic. Everyone keeps bragging about Conor's 111 punches. Floyd LITERALLY let him have those. He felt conors power in round 1, went to his corner after round 1, sat down, CONFIDENTALLY told his pops and cutman, "I got him". He said it 4 or 5 times. Went bacc in, covered, walked straight into Conor the rest of the fight. He knew he could take those punches. He wanted to tire Conor out. Thst was part of the game plan. In exchange for knowing he can tire Conor out in the later rounds and FINISH him (not go the distance), he LET Conor get ahead on scorecards. I rewatched the fight 5 times because Floyd REALLY put on a clinic that fight. It was an art.
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I've yet to see anyone say Floyd only won one round going into the 10th.
I don't know if coaches will be "reverse engineering" Conor's fights or not, but I don't think there's a whole lot to take away from this particular Boxing match.
I don't think Conor did anything amazing in there that no one has ever seen before in Boxing, it's not like he did some crazy or revolutionary like the way you're talking.
He's a bigger guy than Floyd with a long reach. He started the first three rounds really aggressive, throwing a lot of punches while Floyd hardly threw anything at all and just hung back, playing a defensive role. Floyd picks up the pace in round 4 winning the round and takes over from 5 through 10, being much more aggressive, walking Conor down and landing at will almost (he's landing 58% of his power shots to Conor's 24% and in a couple rounds rounds landing over 60% and 70% of his overall shots).
If you want to see some truly fluid motion, some spectacular footwork and punches from all angles, that coaches should study, watch Lomachenko. Here is a guy that Joe Rogan always talks about and is blown away by:
THAT is something unique and by the way you were talking pre fight, and surprisingly post fight, I would have expected to see from Conor.
You also mentioned Conor switching from Southpaw to Orthodox, which didn't happen much at all. Someone who was amazing at it, other than Loma, was Dmitry Pirog, usually switched stances well over 20 times around, in part because of his shifting abilities, something he was tremendous at, another who does that is Golovkin and Loma. But these "new tricks" are old as the sport, used to be known as the Fitszimmons shift. Just like Floyd and his shoulder roll and pull counter, you can find guys doing this in the 60s and before.
I think sometimes people forget just how long Boxing has been around, hindreds of years, and the history is so incredible. Whenever someone says they are bringing something new to the table, it's been seen before and it's been best before. Nothing Conor did was new. What was unique about it was it was Conor, his size and attributes doing it, against a guy like Floyd, on such a massive stage.
You've mentioned several times to numerous people that we "can't see" what Conor was doing. Yet you've not offered any type of break down on what exactly we should be seeing. When presented with punch stats, you don't care about those and brush them off. When presented with how boxing criteria and how it's used to score, again brushed off and we can't "see it"
Bro, there is a reason you're the only person that only scored a single round for Floyd, you're seeing what you want to see, you're seeing what for into your pre-fight prediction.
That's why it got you all messed up. You said it was the greatest fight you've seen. Then said Conor fought a horrible game plan. And yet won every round but one before getting stopped. It's quite amusing to watch the mental gymnastics though.
I don't know if coaches will be "reverse engineering" Conor's fights or not, but I don't think there's a whole lot to take away from this particular Boxing match.
I don't think Conor did anything amazing in there that no one has ever seen before in Boxing, it's not like he did some crazy or revolutionary like the way you're talking.
He's a bigger guy than Floyd with a long reach. He started the first three rounds really aggressive, throwing a lot of punches while Floyd hardly threw anything at all and just hung back, playing a defensive role. Floyd picks up the pace in round 4 winning the round and takes over from 5 through 10, being much more aggressive, walking Conor down and landing at will almost (he's landing 58% of his power shots to Conor's 24% and in a couple rounds rounds landing over 60% and 70% of his overall shots).
If you want to see some truly fluid motion, some spectacular footwork and punches from all angles, that coaches should study, watch Lomachenko. Here is a guy that Joe Rogan always talks about and is blown away by:
THAT is something unique and by the way you were talking pre fight, and surprisingly post fight, I would have expected to see from Conor.
You also mentioned Conor switching from Southpaw to Orthodox, which didn't happen much at all. Someone who was amazing at it, other than Loma, was Dmitry Pirog, usually switched stances well over 20 times around, in part because of his shifting abilities, something he was tremendous at, another who does that is Golovkin and Loma. But these "new tricks" are old as the sport, used to be known as the Fitszimmons shift. Just like Floyd and his shoulder roll and pull counter, you can find guys doing this in the 60s and before.
I think sometimes people forget just how long Boxing has been around, hindreds of years, and the history is so incredible. Whenever someone says they are bringing something new to the table, it's been seen before and it's been best before. Nothing Conor did was new. What was unique about it was it was Conor, his size and attributes doing it, against a guy like Floyd, on such a massive stage.
You've mentioned several times to numerous people that we "can't see" what Conor was doing. Yet you've not offered any type of break down on what exactly we should be seeing. When presented with punch stats, you don't care about those and brush them off. When presented with how boxing criteria and how it's used to score, again brushed off and we can't "see it"
Bro, there is a reason you're the only person that only scored a single round for Floyd, you're seeing what you want to see, you're seeing what for into your pre-fight prediction.
That's why it got you all messed up. You said it was the greatest fight you've seen. Then said Conor fought a horrible game plan. And yet won every round but one before getting stopped. It's quite amusing to watch the mental gymnastics though.
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im not gonna get into it. i dont give a shit about any bodies opinion. a bad game plan dont mean bad fight, as far as me sayin greatest fight ever. he won every rd imo with a bad game plan. its not that deep but its obvious it dont make sense to you. it is what it is. im not gonna go back and fourth. you guys are all right. high five. you argue with mental tactic and i dont have time for that. mental gymnastics. if it makes you feel better then take it.
i know Lomachenko. i do like him. who said i want to see fluid motion. i never brought that into this thread and never said Conor was water in the ring. some say Lomachenko has that foorwork cus of dance lessons. maybe. if so, he brought somethng from the outside to the ring. good for him. i said things about Conor bringin somethin new but you still painted your own picture. you think Lomachenko looked dope (cus he is) cus he looks like a boxer. not sure why you made the comparrison on my behalf. didnt work, but i get it.
again, you guys are all right. no biggie.
i know Lomachenko. i do like him. who said i want to see fluid motion. i never brought that into this thread and never said Conor was water in the ring. some say Lomachenko has that foorwork cus of dance lessons. maybe. if so, he brought somethng from the outside to the ring. good for him. i said things about Conor bringin somethin new but you still painted your own picture. you think Lomachenko looked dope (cus he is) cus he looks like a boxer. not sure why you made the comparrison on my behalf. didnt work, but i get it.
again, you guys are all right. no biggie.