MAYWEATHER TALKIN DOWN ON THE UFC

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Nov 27, 2002
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Fueled up with all of the bravado that comes with being an untouchable athlete, boxing royalty Floyd Mayweather Jr. announced to the press in recent weeks that the "UFC ain't sh-t," concluding that "anyone can get a tattoo and get into a street fight."

Mayweather's elegant, articulate overview of the sport was once common currency among mainstream media and its athletic performers -- now it seems almost quaint in its (alleged) ignorance.

Floyd's peers Evander Holyfield and Oscar De La Hoya have taken the opposite tact, championing the bastard child of boxing and imagining a world where both can peacefully co-exist.

The industry of boxing has become woefully divisive on the matter; it's likely little coincidence that the most malevolent comments have come from agitated promoters with future fortunes to lose, while athletes near retirement age prefer to keep an open mind.

The exception is Mayweather, who, despite being one of the most well compensated fighters in either game, feels the need to choreograph unsolicited outbursts about the mixed-style competition. (And let us not forget fellow naysayer James Toney, who has also decreed he would clean house against the likes of Chuck Liddell (Pictures).)

It's difficult to ascertain whether these statements are simply part of the self-promotion game or not. Both Mayweather and Toney generate dollars by being belligerent, brash antagonists -- a financial lesson that extends from Ali to Tito Ortiz (Pictures). With press outlets and state commissions shaping new attitudes about MMA, it's hard to imagine fellow athletes not being able to discern between a bar brawl and a professional bout.

Or is it?

Try playing devil's advocate and recall your first exposure to the sport. Were you really able to appreciate the intricacies of the mat? Did the stand-up component look as polished and sharp as a pro boxing bout?

Now consider your business is pugilism: it's not hard to believe a passing glance at a bout as sloppily contested as Griffin-Bonnar wouldn't incite some kind of acid reflux.

I sympathize with boxers like Mayweather, who have spent their entire lives honing a specific craft until it's an elite-level display of skill. And now they're watching as fans and media are craning their necks over to a roughneck sport full of athletes who wear their hands at their hips and wind up punches from other states. It's like being Olivier and having to sit and listen to critics praise the latest Adam Sandler vehicle. Perception is reality.

Of course, we (the obsessive-compulsives who own third-generation copies of World Extreme Catfighting) know it's not as simple as that. MMA athletes aren't the strikers boxers are for the simple reason that not enough hours in the day have been allotted to become proficient at every aspect of the fight game. In addition to striking, cross-style athletes have to worry about checking leg kicks, avoiding (or initiating) takedowns, and getting acclimated to the deep waters of jiu-jitsu.

Mayweather doesn't see that. He sees wild swings married to some kind of bizarro wrestling match, a human pretzel of arms and legs on the mat. Toney sees Liddell's awkward stance, a squatting defilement of proper boxing technique, and believes he could take his head off … not stopping to think of what happens when you try and adopt pure boxing into MMA, not understanding what a leg kick does to your thighs, and not cognizant of the perpetual danger of someone trying to take your legs out from under you.

Observers would scoff at MMA's chances of succeeding boxing only a few years ago. The masses, they said, would never tolerate the ground game. Boxing would remain our premier combat sport, and fighters like Toney and Mayweather would never bother to even comment on the variation.

That scenario is changing rapidly, thanks in large part to the free-fight industry refusing to let people wander around with bovine complacency in the matter. National television exposure has altered everything. At the height of the UFC's old-school popularity, a quarter-million pay-per-views were sold; today, that number can exceed one million, despite the increased distractions available via the iPod, the Internet, and a 500-channel cable universe.

It's huge business, brimming with the kind of buzz and exposure that boxing used to enjoy. But the Tysons are gone and the De La Hoyas are nearly out the door. There appears to be no one on the horizon who will be boxing's great salvation, the Ali that stirs emotional investment in middle-aged housewives.

Boxing isn't going anywhere; no obituaries are needed. But I do wonder what happens 20 years from now, when the elder statesmen who grew up looking to that sport as an institution are gone, and the current generation will have been weaned on the likes of Fedor Emelianenko (Pictures) and Matt Hughes (Pictures).

Perhaps boxing will devolve into the kind of fringe activity that kickboxing is today, a stand-up attraction that toils in the shadow of a more noble and respected sport.

Evolution isn't meant to be kind. Mayweather's not happy, but I doubt the theropods were, either.

In Brief

Mirko Filipovic (Pictures)'s anticipated run through the UFC heavyweight division hit a stumbling block in the form of Brazilian Gabriel Gonzaga (Pictures) on Saturday. Cro Cop's first-round knockout loss puts a serious damper on the mega-money matches that were on the table against Randy Couture (Pictures) and Chuck Liddell (Pictures). Both Gonzaga and Matt Serra (Pictures) seem to be signaling another change in the proverbial (perhaps literal) guard, where grapplers are getting up to speed on the stand-up game. … If commentator Mike Goldberg utters the exhausted phrase "meteoric rise" one more time, I might puncture my eardrums with a toothbrush. … In a performance that enforced his now 1-6 record in the UFC, Elvis Sinosic (Pictures) was again used and abused in an effort to make hometown draw Michael Bisping (Pictures) look good. Sinosic is a game fighter with a great attitude, but he's shark bait in the UFC, easily devoured from within his own guard. Let's move on already.
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Mar 22, 2006
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any body watching the ufc fighter contender show? those are the same weight class as mayweather your an idiot if you think any of them could take mayweather, like mayweather said if there so great why not come to boxing and make millions instead of thousands
 
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BOXING IS DEAD!!!!! and if no one thinks so how come knowin who the Heavyweight champ is isnt common knowledge anymore?????
who is the champ???? plus u know its bad when lightweights are the highlight of boxing
 
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^true (also has to do with the heavyweight champs not being american) but it always dies and comes back up, joe louis/marciano era, then 10-15 years later you had the ali/foreman/ frazier era then 10 years later you had the tyson era and now its just on down years
 
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I wouldn't say boxing's dead especially on the verge of one of the biggest fights in the history of the sport(money-wise). You're right about the heavyweight division lacking but I believe it's just a matter of time before Wladimir Klitschko prevails as the top heavyweight (if he isn't already). Boxing's my favorite sport but I'm also big on MMA so I know and respect the fighters in both sports. The boxing's dead attitude usually comes from the MMA fans and the MMA fighters ain't good enough to be boxers attitude always comes from the boxing fans. If both could find a middle ground and respect each sides game, it could benefit both sports.
 
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any body watching the ufc fighter contender show? those are the same weight class as mayweather your an idiot if you think any of them could take mayweather, like mayweather said if there so great why not come to boxing and make millions instead of thousands

LOL @ comparing guys coming up in a reality show to a guy at the very top of his division. Like has been said several times Mayweather would get handled in a cage just as easily as he'd handle an mma fighter in a boxing match. IT IS NOT THE SAME SPORT. Because someone is good at one has nothing to do with the other.
 
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plain and simple, MMA fighters are well rounded fighters, a boxer just knows one thing.. BOXING.. no take down defense, no submissions, no kicks, not elbows, no knees.. just punches and everything that comes with boxing, footwork, counter punching, moving around. Im not saying boxing sucks.. im just saying realistically But if the punches connect then the MMA fighter is done.
 
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A boxer VS an MMA fighter in what tho ? Thats the real question...


A boxer will definitely get his ass mopped up, in an MMA fight ! Most likely he will have little to no defense for things such as kicks, takedowns, and any type of grappling.

The same way an MMA fighter would be crippled in a boxing match not being able to utilize all of the weapons he is capable of.
 
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As far as boxing being dead. I couldn't disagree more.


2007 is shaping up to be a great year for boxing. Sure, the heavyweight division is shit, but look at all of the great fighters in the lower weight divisions...I guess you could say the spotlight shifted..
 
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I think it all sums up to respecting every sports talent,its like me back in the days an now I always clown baseball players because I played football for many years,but I know they got talent an most football players cant do what baseball players do an most baseballplayers cant do what football players do,so u just gotta respect an I think mayweather just comin big headed because he is so ahead of the game an he so flashey with his money that he looks down on mma fighters who in his eyes cant compare to his money he makes.
 
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^ya, thats nothin compared to boxing, 8 million in floyd pattersons career(in 1950), 4 million to ali and foreman for the rumble in the jungle in 1974, 300 million in tysons career, lennox lewis getting 15million a fight, ufc has a long way to go before its at boxings level
 
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BOXING IS DEAD!!!!!
How much money is going to be made from the Mayweather/de la hoya fight? How many PPV sales?

nd if no one thinks so how come knowin who the Heavyweight champ is isnt common knowledge anymore?????
who is the champ????
Just because the heavyweight division currently isn't that great doesn't mean boxing is dead - look at how much attention this upcoming fight is getting, plus look at recent PPV sales from Pacquaio, Morales and others.

plus u know its bad when lightweights are the highlight of boxing
Lighter weight classes have always been a highlight of boxing. The first pay-per-view ever was Sugar Ray Leonard vs Thomas Hearns (welterweights) in 1981. The only heavyweight that outsold everyone else was Mike Tyson because everyone wanted to see wtf he was going to do next.
 

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I could see Mayweather whooping on a UFC fight in the cage... y'all gotta think about how fast this mans hands are... and as soon as the UFC fighter drops his head to try to grapple it's over. All it will take is one good uppercut on the money. Boxers are trained to counter-punch. Their speed and the timing on their punches can't be touched. Even if Mayweather dazes the UFC fighter it's over. Mayweather's punches will be faster and they'll hurt more.

And boxing is not dead!
 
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I could see Mayweather whooping on a UFC fight in the cage... y'all gotta think about how fast this mans hands are... and as soon as the UFC fighter drops his head to try to grapple it's over. All it will take is one good uppercut on the money. Boxers are trained to counter-punch. Their speed and the timing on their punches can't be touched. Even if Mayweather dazes the UFC fighter it's over. Mayweather's punches will be faster and they'll hurt more.

And boxing is not dead!
I have to disagree with this. Boxers are trained to strike/counterpunch when they are no other variables involved. It's different having to worry about legkicks and getting slammed. Can Mayweather catch someone with a shot before getting taken down? Of course. But when he's fighting an elite lightweight fighter I think he'd lose a lot more times than not.

It's the same situation with some guys that dominate submission grappling and jiu jitsu tournaments. Some make the transition into mma with no problem and some get destroyed. Being good at one thing doesn't mean you're going to be good at the other.