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Floyd Mayweather Jr. aide: No megafight
By Dan Rafael
The latest round of negotiations for the potential megafight between welterweight champions Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr. are over before they have even begun.
Leonard Ellerbe, one of Mayweather's advisers, and Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer both told ESPN.com Monday that they were notified that Pacquiao promoter Bob Arum of Top Rank was not interested in coming to the table.
"We have been informed that Bob Arum is not interested in pursuing a fight between Mayweather and Pacquiao at this time," Schaefer said.
Mayweather knocked out Victor Ortiz in his return to the ring after 16 months off in September, and Pacquiao eked out a controversial majority decision against rival Juan Manuel Marquez in their third meeting Saturday night at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas.
That set the table for the showdown that looms as the biggest money fight in boxing history, especially with Mayweather announcing two weeks ago that he planned to return May 5 at the MGM Grand and, according to Ellerbe, wanted to "make the biggest fight possible and everyone knows what that fight is, the little fella (Pacquiao)."
However, that does not appear to be the plan Arum and Pacquiao have, even if they had said they were open to it before the Marquez fight.
Schaefer said the notification came in an email from retired federal judge Daniel Weinstein, the mediator who has worked closely with the sides to settle numerous lawsuits and issues in recent years.
"I am sick and tired of Bob Arum twisting the truth. It's another case of 'yesterday I was lying, today I'm telling the truth,' " Schaefer said, invoking Arum's most famous quote. "The truth of the matter is that we received this afternoon an email from retired federal judge Daniel Weinstein, who has informed us that Top Rank is pursuing a rematch with Marquez and, therefore, is not interested in immediate talks for a possible Mayweather-Pacquiao fight. This is obviously as clear as it can be that they have no intentions of making a Mayweather-Pacquiao fight. Therefore, Floyd Mayweather will have no other choice than to move on and identify and lock in another opponent for his ring return on May 5."
Schaefer said the plan was to use Weinstein to help them make the Pacquiao-Mayweather fight because he is trusted by both sides and intimately familiar with the problems between the rival promotional companies.
"Judge Weinstein is respected by both parties and mediated issues between Top Rank and Golden Boy before, so the plan was to see if he could help facilitate such a fight. Floyd's team really wanted to get this fight done," Schaefer said. "If you just sit down with Arum, he can at any time have one of his fits, one of his 'f--- you' attacks, and the likelihood that he would have a 'f--- you' attack in front of a retired judge seemed less likely than if Arum and me would be alone in a room."
Arum told ESPN.com that he knew nothing about an email and claimed that nobody from his company had communicated anything about making -- or not making -- a possible Pacquiao-Mayweather fight.
But Arum did say, "We are pursuing a fourth fight with Marquez. As far as doing anything definitively, we aren't ready to do anything definitively. When we are ready to make a determination of what we are going to do, we will do it. We are not going to do this in the press. We will do what is in the best interest of ourselves and our client and make a decision when it's time to. If we decide we want to do a rematch with Marquez, there is no reason to sit down with Mayweather. If we want to explore a Mayweather fight, we will sit down with them. But I'm not going to sit down with them just because it's a good show."
Ellerbe was just as upset as Schaefer was.
[Pacquiao promoter Bob] Arum told ESPN.com that he knew nothing about an email and claimed that nobody from his company had communicated anything about making -- or not making -- a possible Pacquiao-Mayweather fight.
"In my opinion, you have three cowards -- Bob Arum, (Pacquiao trainer) Freddie Roach and Manny Pacquiao," Ellerbe told ESPN.com. "Now we all know the truth once and for all why this fight hasn't been made. It should be clear to everyone that they don't care what the fans want, especially when Floyd is ready, willing and able to fight Manny Pacquiao now. Floyd said if this isn't clear, he doesn't know what is.
"All along we know why the fight isn't being made. This is the perfect opportunity. Both guys just fought. This is the fight the fans want to see, and it's a disgrace that they are not willing to give the fans what they want. In my opinion, there are three reasons why Arum doesn't want the fight. He knows there is no way that Manny Pacquiao can win, it kills his cash cow, and he wants to do in-house fights where he controls both sides. I said all along why this fight hasn't been made to this point. Manny Pacquiao knows, Bob Arum knows and Freddie Roach knows."
Ellerbe said he and Schaefer would begin exploring potential May 5 opponents for Mayweather.
"We have a number of options, and we will evaluate that and give the fans the biggest fight we can give them," he said. "But before we can get started (on a Pacquiao fight), Top Rank doesn't even want to listen. They're not even interested in Floyd Mayweather. They want no part of Floyd Mayweather. They have no interest in the little fella fighting Floyd. Manny Pacquiao needs to stand up, in my opinion, and tell his promoter that he wants to fight Floyd Mayweather next and stop hiding behind his promoter."
Ellerbe said Mayweather (42-0, 26 KOs) did not watch as Pacquiao (54-3-2, 38 KOs) turned in a shaky performance on Saturday night because he was making a paid appearance at a nightclub in Virginia. Mayweather came out of a 21-month retirement in September 2009 and fought Marquez, dropping him in the second round and winning a near-shutout decision, a far more dominating performance than Pacquiao has had against him in any of their three bouts.
I will post it here since all the Manny fans are here. Manny is ducking Mayweather.
By Dan Rafael
The latest round of negotiations for the potential megafight between welterweight champions Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr. are over before they have even begun.
Leonard Ellerbe, one of Mayweather's advisers, and Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer both told ESPN.com Monday that they were notified that Pacquiao promoter Bob Arum of Top Rank was not interested in coming to the table.
"We have been informed that Bob Arum is not interested in pursuing a fight between Mayweather and Pacquiao at this time," Schaefer said.
Mayweather knocked out Victor Ortiz in his return to the ring after 16 months off in September, and Pacquiao eked out a controversial majority decision against rival Juan Manuel Marquez in their third meeting Saturday night at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas.
That set the table for the showdown that looms as the biggest money fight in boxing history, especially with Mayweather announcing two weeks ago that he planned to return May 5 at the MGM Grand and, according to Ellerbe, wanted to "make the biggest fight possible and everyone knows what that fight is, the little fella (Pacquiao)."
However, that does not appear to be the plan Arum and Pacquiao have, even if they had said they were open to it before the Marquez fight.
Schaefer said the notification came in an email from retired federal judge Daniel Weinstein, the mediator who has worked closely with the sides to settle numerous lawsuits and issues in recent years.
"I am sick and tired of Bob Arum twisting the truth. It's another case of 'yesterday I was lying, today I'm telling the truth,' " Schaefer said, invoking Arum's most famous quote. "The truth of the matter is that we received this afternoon an email from retired federal judge Daniel Weinstein, who has informed us that Top Rank is pursuing a rematch with Marquez and, therefore, is not interested in immediate talks for a possible Mayweather-Pacquiao fight. This is obviously as clear as it can be that they have no intentions of making a Mayweather-Pacquiao fight. Therefore, Floyd Mayweather will have no other choice than to move on and identify and lock in another opponent for his ring return on May 5."
Schaefer said the plan was to use Weinstein to help them make the Pacquiao-Mayweather fight because he is trusted by both sides and intimately familiar with the problems between the rival promotional companies.
"Judge Weinstein is respected by both parties and mediated issues between Top Rank and Golden Boy before, so the plan was to see if he could help facilitate such a fight. Floyd's team really wanted to get this fight done," Schaefer said. "If you just sit down with Arum, he can at any time have one of his fits, one of his 'f--- you' attacks, and the likelihood that he would have a 'f--- you' attack in front of a retired judge seemed less likely than if Arum and me would be alone in a room."
Arum told ESPN.com that he knew nothing about an email and claimed that nobody from his company had communicated anything about making -- or not making -- a possible Pacquiao-Mayweather fight.
But Arum did say, "We are pursuing a fourth fight with Marquez. As far as doing anything definitively, we aren't ready to do anything definitively. When we are ready to make a determination of what we are going to do, we will do it. We are not going to do this in the press. We will do what is in the best interest of ourselves and our client and make a decision when it's time to. If we decide we want to do a rematch with Marquez, there is no reason to sit down with Mayweather. If we want to explore a Mayweather fight, we will sit down with them. But I'm not going to sit down with them just because it's a good show."
Ellerbe was just as upset as Schaefer was.
[Pacquiao promoter Bob] Arum told ESPN.com that he knew nothing about an email and claimed that nobody from his company had communicated anything about making -- or not making -- a possible Pacquiao-Mayweather fight.
"In my opinion, you have three cowards -- Bob Arum, (Pacquiao trainer) Freddie Roach and Manny Pacquiao," Ellerbe told ESPN.com. "Now we all know the truth once and for all why this fight hasn't been made. It should be clear to everyone that they don't care what the fans want, especially when Floyd is ready, willing and able to fight Manny Pacquiao now. Floyd said if this isn't clear, he doesn't know what is.
"All along we know why the fight isn't being made. This is the perfect opportunity. Both guys just fought. This is the fight the fans want to see, and it's a disgrace that they are not willing to give the fans what they want. In my opinion, there are three reasons why Arum doesn't want the fight. He knows there is no way that Manny Pacquiao can win, it kills his cash cow, and he wants to do in-house fights where he controls both sides. I said all along why this fight hasn't been made to this point. Manny Pacquiao knows, Bob Arum knows and Freddie Roach knows."
Ellerbe said he and Schaefer would begin exploring potential May 5 opponents for Mayweather.
"We have a number of options, and we will evaluate that and give the fans the biggest fight we can give them," he said. "But before we can get started (on a Pacquiao fight), Top Rank doesn't even want to listen. They're not even interested in Floyd Mayweather. They want no part of Floyd Mayweather. They have no interest in the little fella fighting Floyd. Manny Pacquiao needs to stand up, in my opinion, and tell his promoter that he wants to fight Floyd Mayweather next and stop hiding behind his promoter."
Ellerbe said Mayweather (42-0, 26 KOs) did not watch as Pacquiao (54-3-2, 38 KOs) turned in a shaky performance on Saturday night because he was making a paid appearance at a nightclub in Virginia. Mayweather came out of a 21-month retirement in September 2009 and fought Marquez, dropping him in the second round and winning a near-shutout decision, a far more dominating performance than Pacquiao has had against him in any of their three bouts.
I will post it here since all the Manny fans are here. Manny is ducking Mayweather.
what you talkin about? you still havent answered me except wit nonsense. you wanna talk about quality of punches look at marquez's face after the fight and look at pac's. he had a cut from the headbutt and that was it. so by your logic if you "think" your winning the fight you play it safe instead of trying to impress the judges and maybe press up on your opponent a little more in a close fight?
lol i answered him twice and he's completely ignoring me, but responds with a time frame?
what i'm sayin is in a close ass fight like that being more aggressive especially in late rounds could be enough to sway the fight your way. if marquez was decisively winning than being the aggressor wouldnt matter.
lol your an idiont thinking he won 8 rounds period. how did he win 8 rounds when he landed less punches? if you tryin to become the champion you don't slack off and play it safe in a close fight. you go take them fuckin belts!
you wanna talk about quality of punches look at marquez's face after the fight and look at pac's. he had a cut from the headbutt and that was it. so by your logic if you "think" your winning the fight you play it safe instead of trying to impress the judges and maybe press up on your opponent a little more in a close fight?
what i'm sayin is in a close ass fight like that being more aggressive especially in late rounds could be enough to sway the fight your way. if marquez was decisively winning than being the aggressor wouldnt matter.
lol your an idiont thinking he won 8 rounds period. how did he win 8 rounds when he landed less punches? if you tryin to become the champion you don't slack off and play it safe in a close fight. you go take them fuckin belts!
you wanna talk about quality of punches look at marquez's face after the fight and look at pac's. he had a cut from the headbutt and that was it. so by your logic if you "think" your winning the fight you play it safe instead of trying to impress the judges and maybe press up on your opponent a little more in a close fight?
heres the scorecards.
http://fightfan.com/2011/11/pacquia...r-fight-as-close-as-the-first-two/#more-19236
u dont even have to watch the fight to figure this one out. He landed more punches plain and simple.
http://fightfan.com/2011/11/pacquia...r-fight-as-close-as-the-first-two/#more-19236
u dont even have to watch the fight to figure this one out. He landed more punches plain and simple.
All of the scores from the boxing writers who watched the fight. 12 had Marquez winning, 1 had Pacquiao winning, and 7 had it a draw.
Lem Satterfield, ******.com: 117-111, Juan Manuel Marquez
Ron Borges, Boston Herald: 117-112, Marquez
Chris Mannix, Sports Illustrated: 116-112, Marquez
Tim Smith, New York Daily News: 116-112, Marquez
Mike Coppinger, ******.com: 115-113, Marquez
Bill Dwyre, Los Angeles Times: 115-113, Marquez
Norm Frauenheim, www.15rounds.com 115-113, Marquez
Ryan Maquinana, BoxingScene.com/CSNBAYAREA.com: 115-113, Marquez
Lance Pugmire, Los Angeles Times: 115-113, Marquez
Bob Velin, USA Today: 115-113, Marquez
George Willis, New York Post: 115-113, Marquez
Jerry Izenberg, Philadelphia Inquirer: 115-114, Marquez
Sean Sullivan, Boxing Digest: 115-114, Manny Pacquiao
Steve Carp, Las Vegas Review-Journal: 114-114
Tim Dahlberg, Associated Press: 114-114
Bryan Graham, Sports Illustrated: 114-114
Kevin Iole, Yahoo!Sports: 114-114
Kieran Mulvaney, ESPN.com/Reuters: 114-114
Dan Rafael, ESPN.com: 114-114
Rick Reeno, BoxingScene.com: 114-114
Let me guess all these people don't know what they are talking about too. Manny fans and the excuses. SMH...
Lem Satterfield, ******.com: 117-111, Juan Manuel Marquez
Ron Borges, Boston Herald: 117-112, Marquez
Chris Mannix, Sports Illustrated: 116-112, Marquez
Tim Smith, New York Daily News: 116-112, Marquez
Mike Coppinger, ******.com: 115-113, Marquez
Bill Dwyre, Los Angeles Times: 115-113, Marquez
Norm Frauenheim, www.15rounds.com 115-113, Marquez
Ryan Maquinana, BoxingScene.com/CSNBAYAREA.com: 115-113, Marquez
Lance Pugmire, Los Angeles Times: 115-113, Marquez
Bob Velin, USA Today: 115-113, Marquez
George Willis, New York Post: 115-113, Marquez
Jerry Izenberg, Philadelphia Inquirer: 115-114, Marquez
Sean Sullivan, Boxing Digest: 115-114, Manny Pacquiao
Steve Carp, Las Vegas Review-Journal: 114-114
Tim Dahlberg, Associated Press: 114-114
Bryan Graham, Sports Illustrated: 114-114
Kevin Iole, Yahoo!Sports: 114-114
Kieran Mulvaney, ESPN.com/Reuters: 114-114
Dan Rafael, ESPN.com: 114-114
Rick Reeno, BoxingScene.com: 114-114
Let me guess all these people don't know what they are talking about too. Manny fans and the excuses. SMH...
what excuses? i've said out the gate the fight couldve went 3 different ways? how did marquez clearly win is what im baffled by. i think people just too used to seeing pac wreck everybody he fights. cuz in a 10 point must system how does marquez win a championship fight landing less punches? how can somebody say his punches were more effective when marquez's face is the one fucked up?
From their twitter accounts:
Marvin Hagler "Disgusting result! #ROBBERY!" http://twitter.com/#!/TheMarvelous0ne
Bernard Hopkins "FloydMayweather blow thru MannyPacquiao easy!!" http://twitter.com/#!/therealbhop
OscarDeLaHoya "I'm still sitting on my couch in disbelief. Paquiao cannot compete with a counter puncher like Marquez. Juan has the Patience to wait and capitalize on mistakes. I think this shows how superior mayweather is." http://twitter.com/#!/oscardelahoya
Andre Dirrell "Ok after this fight, I don't know what 2 think! Did JMM just have a good night, or did Pacman put on a great possum show 2 get MW! U TELL ME. GO GET YO GLOVES ON AND COME WHOOP THIS DUDE!!!! PACMAN CAN'T SEE YOU!!!" http://twitter.com/#!/andredirrell
ZAB JUDAH "Robbery!!!!" http://twitter.com/#!/SUPERJUDAH
Steve Cunningham "All pro fighters I know ,guys which know what to look 4 in a fight had jmm winning. It's not just entertainment to us its a #lifestyle#" http://twitter.com/#!/usscunningham
Anthonydirrell "If y'all think that they was bout to lose out on 150 million y'all crazy"
Matthew Macklin "It was close but still wrong...and for it to happen THREE times!!!!!?? WTF!!!" http://twitter.com/#!/mattmacklin
Andre S.O.G. Ward "Well, I was wrong. Marquez is boxing a masterful fight. Marquez won this fight, period!!" http://twitter.com/#!/andreward
Terry Norris "Wow! Thought PAC man would win. But clearly Marquez was robbed again. PAC did NOT win this fight."
Andre Berto "Smh WOW..... Come on u know Top Rank was gonna let Marquez **** the money up!!! Great fight though"
Omar Henry "Wow I just watched Pacquiao get beat and Marquez get robbed!!!! and yes I was one of the people in the crowd booing the robbery!!!!"
Chris Arreola "Marquez won, true champ. Let's see Mayweather-Pacquiao. ****."
Rashad Holloway "I'm team Pacquiao all day but Marquez won this fight hands down. Sad to see how politics run this sport when fighters work so hard." http://twitter.com/#!/RASHADHOLLOWAY
Fernando Vargas "Well I'm DISGUSTED at tonight's event. It's sad that u can TRAIN your butt off for months and get jobbed at the end of the day! Truth is that EVERYWHERE Marquez goes EVERYONE will tell him that he WAS ROBBED & HELL FEEL LIKE HE WON BECUZ HE REALLY DID!!! SAME FOR PACMAN. EVERYWHERE HE GOES PEOPLE WILL TELL HIM HE REALLY LOST AND HE GOT A GIFT!!! LOVE THIS SPORT. But this is a SAD MOMENT FOR ME.
#LongLiveDinamitaMarquez" http://twitter.com/#!/_FernandoVargas
Juan Diaz "Great fight for the boxung fans but bad decision by the judges." http://twitter.com/#!/1Babybull
Amir Khan "mayb a good draw or marquez by 1-2 rounds." http://twitter.com/#!/amirkingkhan
Anthony Mundine "I luv PAC too...but he lost fair & square...but I'm sure he will return stronger...PAC v Marquez 4 #bringit. Actually I change my mind! Marquez deserves the pay day v money!! As he was really the victor! Don't think I wanna see 4. Even tho money." http://twitter.com/The_Man_Mundine
Erik Morales "Nos robaroooon y feo. Marquez total reconocimiento es el segundo mexicano que le pone en su madre a pacquiao, gano y gano muy bien felicidadees!" Which translates to English as "They robbed us and it was an ugly robbery too. To Marquez total recognition, he is the second Mexican to beat the sh!t out of Pacquiao, he won and he won nicely. Congratulations!" http://twitter.com/terrible100
Jean Pascal "On my card Marquez WON!!!!" http://twitter.com/jeanpascalchamp +
Do you still want to talk fuck boy???
Marvin Hagler "Disgusting result! #ROBBERY!" http://twitter.com/#!/TheMarvelous0ne
Bernard Hopkins "FloydMayweather blow thru MannyPacquiao easy!!" http://twitter.com/#!/therealbhop
OscarDeLaHoya "I'm still sitting on my couch in disbelief. Paquiao cannot compete with a counter puncher like Marquez. Juan has the Patience to wait and capitalize on mistakes. I think this shows how superior mayweather is." http://twitter.com/#!/oscardelahoya
Andre Dirrell "Ok after this fight, I don't know what 2 think! Did JMM just have a good night, or did Pacman put on a great possum show 2 get MW! U TELL ME. GO GET YO GLOVES ON AND COME WHOOP THIS DUDE!!!! PACMAN CAN'T SEE YOU!!!" http://twitter.com/#!/andredirrell
ZAB JUDAH "Robbery!!!!" http://twitter.com/#!/SUPERJUDAH
Steve Cunningham "All pro fighters I know ,guys which know what to look 4 in a fight had jmm winning. It's not just entertainment to us its a #lifestyle#" http://twitter.com/#!/usscunningham
Anthonydirrell "If y'all think that they was bout to lose out on 150 million y'all crazy"
Matthew Macklin "It was close but still wrong...and for it to happen THREE times!!!!!?? WTF!!!" http://twitter.com/#!/mattmacklin
Andre S.O.G. Ward "Well, I was wrong. Marquez is boxing a masterful fight. Marquez won this fight, period!!" http://twitter.com/#!/andreward
Terry Norris "Wow! Thought PAC man would win. But clearly Marquez was robbed again. PAC did NOT win this fight."
Andre Berto "Smh WOW..... Come on u know Top Rank was gonna let Marquez **** the money up!!! Great fight though"
Omar Henry "Wow I just watched Pacquiao get beat and Marquez get robbed!!!! and yes I was one of the people in the crowd booing the robbery!!!!"
Chris Arreola "Marquez won, true champ. Let's see Mayweather-Pacquiao. ****."
Rashad Holloway "I'm team Pacquiao all day but Marquez won this fight hands down. Sad to see how politics run this sport when fighters work so hard." http://twitter.com/#!/RASHADHOLLOWAY
Fernando Vargas "Well I'm DISGUSTED at tonight's event. It's sad that u can TRAIN your butt off for months and get jobbed at the end of the day! Truth is that EVERYWHERE Marquez goes EVERYONE will tell him that he WAS ROBBED & HELL FEEL LIKE HE WON BECUZ HE REALLY DID!!! SAME FOR PACMAN. EVERYWHERE HE GOES PEOPLE WILL TELL HIM HE REALLY LOST AND HE GOT A GIFT!!! LOVE THIS SPORT. But this is a SAD MOMENT FOR ME.
#LongLiveDinamitaMarquez" http://twitter.com/#!/_FernandoVargas
Juan Diaz "Great fight for the boxung fans but bad decision by the judges." http://twitter.com/#!/1Babybull
Amir Khan "mayb a good draw or marquez by 1-2 rounds." http://twitter.com/#!/amirkingkhan
Anthony Mundine "I luv PAC too...but he lost fair & square...but I'm sure he will return stronger...PAC v Marquez 4 #bringit. Actually I change my mind! Marquez deserves the pay day v money!! As he was really the victor! Don't think I wanna see 4. Even tho money." http://twitter.com/The_Man_Mundine
Erik Morales "Nos robaroooon y feo. Marquez total reconocimiento es el segundo mexicano que le pone en su madre a pacquiao, gano y gano muy bien felicidadees!" Which translates to English as "They robbed us and it was an ugly robbery too. To Marquez total recognition, he is the second Mexican to beat the sh!t out of Pacquiao, he won and he won nicely. Congratulations!" http://twitter.com/terrible100
Jean Pascal "On my card Marquez WON!!!!" http://twitter.com/jeanpascalchamp +
Do you still want to talk fuck boy???