Manny Pacquiao vs Joshua Clottey

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Rumpelstiltskin

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Not trying bring up a dead horse, but even after this I don't think he's on illegal substances. He may be taking performance enhancers but the are legal. What defines legal and illegal is something else. You really just have to alter one chem to make it legal. There are a ton of legal steroids out there, that just slightly differ from old school hormones.

So maybe he does take PED's, but legal ones. If anything it would be something that boosts stamina. The guy is far from yoked. Either way...who cares.
 
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there's two muscle types look it up on wikipedia or something. some people got all the muscle but are not as strong as people with less mass. heard it from my science teacher too but i already knew it.

there's a stereotype about filipinos from visyan decent. it goes like this the men can fight and the girls like to fuck. we have it for every region but thats what they are known for.

anyway i found a video of bert sugar from the top rank website i'll post it up.
 
Johnny Truelove

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manny only needs to fight 2 more fighters first mayweather & then margarito... could you imagine the buzz around that fight? every flip & beaner would order that ppv no doubt that shit would be just as good as mosley/pacquiao probably even better...
 
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to add to what he is saying. i always felt it was a psychological ploy. just like sugar ray leonard and marvin hagler "unfortunately it will never happen" then it does and hagler loses.

it was well known pac was preparing to run for congress. thats stressful in any situation but in the philippines it's probably worse. they all look crooked in the eyes of the people and when he first ran he lost and a lot of us don't want him to get into politics but thats what he wants to do. he honestly wants to help the people but it really is like a waste of time.

pac can really screw things up if he runs for congress and a fight with floyd can happen. floyd fired the first shot or moved the first pawn by getting in his head with the steroid accusation.

but fuck him anyway. i've already lost all respect for that dude.
 
Rumpelstiltskin

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Tragedy said:
there's two muscle types look it up on wikipedia or something. some people got all the muscle but are not as strong as people with less mass. heard it from my science teacher too but i already knew it.
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There is only one type of muscle when dealing with appearance, and its muscle.
Just like fat...fat is fat.
Each person has an established number of fat cells and a number of muscle cells. The object is to make those cells grow or shrink, but you cannot produce more. For example, if you cut a chunk of your leg off then you will always have a chunk missing. You cells won't recreate and fill that chunk.

There are however 2 types of muscle fibers, and generally you have your strength and endurance. Size doesn't mean that much when you look at strength. Asian's have dense muscle. I'm 5'8 and 160 (half Asian) and push just as much as the 5'11 185 Mexican to the bench next to me. Latino's mostly have fluffier muscles.

Genetics plays a huge roll. Took a look at Timothy Bradley. You don't get like that eating cabbage and tofu, but that guy does.

Not saying Manny isn't strong. He probably is. I was emphasizing on his endurance. The guy makes Nick Diaz look like an amateur, and Diaz is out there doing these damn Decathlons for laughs and giggles in his free time. How the hell does he get that endurance? It sure as hell isn't from his fat roomy Po-Boy's cooking...
 
2-0-Sixx

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^^I think he's on a 5,000-7,000 calorie a day diet when he's training.

Nick Diaz is mma, it's a different type of workout. There are lots of guys in boxing that are known for their endurance, guys that throw nonstop punches and never get tired. Some guys got it other guys don't and of course it depends on your diet, your training, genetics, etc.

But if you notice the guys who notoriously workout the hardest seem to be the best in the sport - mayweather, pacquiao, bernard hopkins, for example all workout like machines.
 
Rumpelstiltskin

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2-0-Sixx said:
^^I think he's on a 5,000-7,000 calorie a day diet when he's training.
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Based on the 4 hour training session claims he would have to be, or his body would catalyze itself. I don't train more than an hour and a half (max), 2 hours total if I throw in cardio and don't feel like leaving the gym. I have to eat at least 5000 cals if I want to gain weight just how Manny did. He's training twice as long as me, probably twice as hard as I am, so he needs the cals and carbs.

It just amazes me that someone that volume and strength doesn't diminish from the 1st minute to the 36th minute. I'm not bashing Manny, because I have nothing against PED's (at all). I'm just saying, never in my life have I seen someone be able to do that without drugs. Guy is probably really gifted and talented, or is on legal supps.

I just get tired of people going "he's on steroids" when they have never done steroids and probably aren't in the gym everyday. It's annoying as shit.

Let's say you smoke weed, and some straight edge fuck goes "weed is going to ruin your life man, you can die, you're going to be a loser". That pisses people off. So this steroid talk gets to me the same way.
 
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Tony said:
Give it a break. I recall Pacman crying in the ring after Morales whooped him. Pacman is on some PED's homie so now we won't see him cry after getting whooped anymore. He can take any punch from an WW and keep coming. He's on somethin'...
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lmao you lame bruh...i think's theres a reason you get clowned on every sport you try to debate on.
 
2-0-Sixx

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pacquiao lost to morales because he was a one handed fighter and wasn't anywhere as technically good as he is now. Morales is also an all time great fighter, not some chump.

Plus tony taking PEDs wont give you an invincible chin, if that were the case Vargas and all the other roiders would never have been KO'd as many times as they were.
 
2-0-Sixx

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Rumpelstiltskin said:
It just amazes me that someone that volume and strength doesn't diminish from the 1st minute to the 36th minute. I'm not bashing Manny, because I have nothing against PED's (at all). I'm just saying, never in my life have I seen someone be able to do that without drugs. Guy is probably really gifted and talented, or is on legal supps.
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yeah I dunno man, there are a lot of guys in boxing, especially lower weight classes, that throw tons of punches. Shit, Margarito threw 1,675 punches against Clottey, 400 more than pac. Also keep in mind 550 of those punches thrown by pacquiao were jabs that were just tapping clottey's arms. I don't think pac put on some amazing performance tbh, just did what needed to be done.
 
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lmao you lame bruh...i think's theres a reason you get clowned on every sport you try to debate on.
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You lame bruh bruh.... I don't care if peeps call themselves clownin'.... ask yourself if you think I really care.

Pacman ran away from a 2 week blood test (talking about I don't want to give into Mayweather's demands). Sounds like some hoecake type sh..... It's all part of negotiating, I'm pretty sure there were things in that contract Mayweather didn't want but he sucked it up so the fight can go down.

So going back and forth about this subject is gettin' old. Pacman punked out.

The truth hurts but don't fight the feeling!
 
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2-0-Sixx said:
pacquiao lost to morales because he was a one handed fighter and wasn't anywhere as technically good as he is now. Morales is also an all time great fighter, not some chump.

Plus tony taking PEDs wont give you an invincible chin, if that were the case Vargas and all the other roiders would never have been KO'd as many times as they were.
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Excuses are for sissy's mayne. Pacman cried after he got whooped and that's a fact. A grown as man made another grown as man cry..... damn shame. The truth hurts.....
 
2-0-Sixx

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again tony, you're being a serious hater. Floyd cried after he beat carlos 'fuckin' baldimor. And ricky hatton. And oscar de la hoya. And zab judah. In fact, Floyd is always crying.



When your entire life is boxing (or anything else for that matter) shit can be emotional, win or lose. You wouldn't know nothin about that I guess though.

And you're acting like pac didn't come back and knock morales out two times after losing the first.
 
MOREBASS

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Tony said:
Excuses are for sissy's mayne. Pacman cried after he got whooped and that's a fact. A grown as man made another grown as man cry..... damn shame. The truth hurts.....
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You're lame as fuck Tony. Now you're arguing on a fighter crying after a fight?


Like you didn't cry when you got your big promotion at the Shoe Depot.
 
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